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Afghan military operation goes badly wrong: NY Times

Afghan military operation goes badly wrong: NY Times Saturday, 14 August 2010 03:20

WASHINGTON: An Afghan operation to flush out the Taliban and showcase growing military competence has turned into a debacle, with many troops dead or captured and commanders pleading for help, The New York Times reported yesterday.

A senior US official with knowledge of the mission -- apparently not coordinated in advance with Nato officers -- said commanders called for backup from foreign forces after at least 10 Afghan soldiers were killed and up to 20 captured since the operation began August 3 in a rugged region east of Kabul.

Fighting has raged so intensely over the past week in the area around Bad Pakh village, in Laghman province, that the Red Cross has been unable to reach the battle zone and evacuate the wounded and dead, the Times reported.

“There are several soldiers unaccounted for and killed,” a senior American military official was quoted as saying on condition of anonymity because the operation was ongoing.

He said “about 10” soldiers had been killed.

“There are a lot of lessons to be learned here,” he said. “How they started that and why they started that.”

Nato has reportedly sent in French and American rescue teams. But when contacted, the spokesman for French troops in Afghanistan, Lieutenant Colonel Pierre-Yves Sarzaud, confirmed that Nato troops had been requested but denied that French units were involved.

“There are no French soldiers in Laghman,” he said.

A high-ranking official in Afghanistan’s defense ministry said the military’s plan was betrayed, and that Taliban fighters were lying in wait to ambush the bulk of the 300 men from the First Brigade of the 201st Army Corps.

The ministry’s spokesman, Major General Muhammed Zahair Azimi, said seven soldiers had died and that an unknown number were taken prisoner.

“We can not say the number captured because some of them were in difficult places, but some of our soldiers were captured by the Taliban,” Azimi said Wednesday, according to the Times.

A Taliban spokesman said 27 Afghan soldiers were killed, 14 wounded and eight captured, the paper reported. The Taliban often exaggerates its claims of damage and casualties.

The mission marks a major embarrassment for the Afghan army, which said this week it has met a target of 134,000 troops two months ahead of schedule, and as it gears up to take responsibility for security from US-led Nato forces by 2014.

Despite its steady expansion of operational capacity, the Afghan army runs few major missions on its own.

Afghanistan’s troops are at similar force size to Nato troops on the ground. War monitor group iCasualties says 521 coalition soldiers were killed in Afghanistan in 2009, while the Times reported 282 Afghan soldiers were killed.

Meanwhile, two Nato soldiers, one of them British, were killed fighting militants in southern Afghanistan on Friday, officials said.

Another British soldier died in a hospital in England from injuries he had sustained in Afghanistan, the British defence ministry said.

Nato’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it lost two soldiers fighting insurgents on Friday. An ISAF official confirmed that one of the soldiers was a Briton whose death was announced in London.

The soldiers were killed in separate attacks in southern Afghanistan, where the insurgency is most intense, the ISAF official said. Much of southern Afghanistan is troubled by a Taliban-led insurgency now into a ninth year and at its most violent.

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Afghanistan rightfully belongs to Pukhtoon who are superior warriors too..these miniorities being installed in power by occupation forces are nothing by puppets who have never enganged into wars.

What do you expect from lazy turd soldiers like these

 
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The Afghan army has to start somewhere and as a relatively new force should not be judged by the standards of well established western forces or even the Pakistan army.

Despite all the eagerness for a quick fix solution this will take time.

Afghanistan has been a mess for 30 odd years and it will take a similar amount of time to pull out of this quagmire.
 
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It will take time but they will get there.

Turkey training Afghan troops.


 
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Afghanistan rightfully belongs to Pukhtoon who are superior warriors too..these miniorities being installed in power by occupation forces are nothing by puppets who have never enganged into wars.

What do you expect from lazy turd soldiers like these

YouTube - Hilarious army workout

That is hilariously fake !! ...but a good one nevertheless !!:D
 
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Afghanistan rightfully belongs to Pukhtoon who are superior warriors too..these miniorities being installed in power by occupation forces are nothing by puppets who have never enganged into wars.

Thats absolute nonsense - 50 to 60% of Afghanistan is comprised of non-Pashtun, and they have a stake in the country as well, and the country belongs to them as much as to the Pashtun.

It would be like saying that Pakistan 'rightfully belongs to the Punjabi's, just because they happen to be the largest ethnic group in Pakistan. Leave such infantile and inflammatory comments out of discussions please.

And as far as 'knowing how to fight', Ahmed Shah Massoud (a Tajik) and his resistance against the Soviets, was as good as any by a Pashtun Mujahideen leader.
 
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The Afghan army has to start somewhere and as a relatively new force should not be judged by the standards of well established western forces or even the Pakistan army.

Despite all the eagerness for a quick fix solution this will take time.

Afghanistan has been a mess for 30 odd years and it will take a similar amount of time to pull out of this quagmire.

The problem is not just standards but numbers.

The Taliban are at a shocking fifty thousand strong at the high end estimate. If you count foreign fighters and foreign support 100k.

If the Afghan Army cannot get to 250k-300k troops before the major American pullout they will face serious problems. You need at least a 4 to 1 numerical advantage to fight insurgents, because they can pick when and where to attack. Like here, where they picked a cut off battalion and routed them. The USA must stay there for at least a few more years because right now routing is a very real possibility. Right now they have 134k, probably half of those unreliable and only a small number the commandoes and special forces willing to die for Karzai.

The morale of the Afghan Army must be extremely low to surrender to Taliban. They must know that the Taliban execute their prisoners more than release them, which means they are more willing to take the slim chance of survival than fight and die for their nation. No remotely professional army would surrender to an enemy known to regularly execute their POW.
 
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as an example, remember the FC v. the TTP during the early part of our CI campaign - the FC was deficient in many ways. only by re-training, re-equipping and finally motivation by the FC IG who took keen interest (almost hands on) in the aforementioned areas, did the FC start delivering results.

similarly, the afghan general staff need to be involved in day-to-day affairs to ensure that the training and arming is up to standards and keep motivating the troops even after such setbacks that they will come through eventually. the biggest issue facing them is the 'corruption' within the ranks.
 
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Afghanistan rightfully belongs to Pukhtoon who are superior warriors too..these miniorities being installed in power by occupation forces are nothing by puppets who have never enganged into wars.

What do you expect from lazy turd soldiers like these

Yes, and Pakistan belongs to Panjabis only, kick out the others from Pakistan. The name shouldnt be pakistan, it should be Panjabistan.
 
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The Afghan army has to start somewhere and as a relatively new force should not be judged by the standards of well established western forces or even the Pakistan army.

Despite all the eagerness for a quick fix solution this will take time.

Afghanistan has been a mess for 30 odd years and it will take a similar amount of time to pull out of this quagmire.

Agreed, could not said it better. Plus the American media should not blame Afghan army for the failure of US forces in Afghanistan
 
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Yes, and Pakistan belongs to Panjabis only, kick out the others from Pakistan. The name shouldnt be pakistan, it should be Panjabistan.

Ahmad why you even reply to some misinformed persons in the first place.

He doesnt know that all factions of Afghan society were fighting against USSR

Pukhtoons in Afghanistan are strong because we are with them otherwise in my personal opinion they cant sustain against big powers
 
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What is the criteria of being successful ??

Dostam rings a bell. doesnt ??

Ahmad Shah Masood ?? NO?

All of them were one against USSR.

Successful in the sense of manpower, organization, funds and operational theatre experience. Northern Alliance's setup which involved the minority warlords and small interconnected clans were much better organized than the loose Pashtun tribal clans who often were mistrustful of each other. Pashtuns were not getting aid from countries like Turkey, some European states, etc.
 
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Afghan army is getting trained by Best forces in the world...They have good equipment....A purpose to fight....But the problem lies in recruiting....They are recruiting everyone.....NOT EVERYONE CAN BE A SOLDIER......If they put more efforts on recruiting procedure i think they can make an excellent army....

Now look at this video and tell me do this guy even deserve to be in the boot camp?

 
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