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Afghan Army Chief’s Statement on Durand Line

Strange that you don't know why.



Having no certification would mean a cheap rant with no recognition by international community. Not worthy in other words.

Buddy, I get that.. But my question is different. If Afghanistan feels it has a dispute, it wont feel or act differently towards Pakistan whether there is UN acceptance or not..

For example till now, Palestine does not have a UN backed statehood.. Does that make the Palestinian issue any less volatile or change the Palestinian behavior towards Israel ??
 
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Buddy, I get that.. But my question is different. If Afghanistan feels it has a dispute, it wont feel or act differently towards Pakistan whether there is UN acceptance or not..

Well Afghanistan can feel whatever it likes that doesn't mean his behavior or this particular example applies to all disputes and particularly those which are internationally recognized.

For example till now, Palestine does not have a UN backed statehood.. Does that make the Palestinian issue any less volatile or change the Palestinian behavior towards Israel ??

Palestinian issue has at least hundreds times more recognition at the international level than any other so called dispute like Durand line can have. Not a good example. False analogy.
 
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Well Afghanistan can feel whatever it likes that doesn't mean his behavior or this particular example applies to all disputes and particularly those which are internationally recognized.
Didnt understand.. What other disputes are you referring to??

Palestinian issue has at least hundreds times more recognition at the international level than any other so called dispute like Durand line can have. Not a good example. False analogy.
Again, you are missing the point.. UN does not recognize Palestine as a state.. Does that change anything between Israel and Palestine.. It doesnt..
 
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Didnt understand.. What other disputes are you referring to??

Those which are internationally recognized.

Again, you are missing the point.. UN does not recognize Palestine as a state.. Does that change anything between Israel and Palestine.. It doesnt..

It will accept it once Palestinians and Israelis would settle the borders and the land dispute. Doesn't change the fact that Palestinian issue has been discussed in UN more than any other non issue like Durand line making it a dispute of international importance.
 
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Those which are internationally recognized.
Back to sq 1.. If Afghanistan doesnt like Pakistan, it does not need permission from UN to feel that way..

It will accept it once Palestinians and Israelis would settle the borders and the land dispute. Doesn't change the fact that Palestinian issue has been discussed in UN more than any other non issue like Durand line making it a dispute of international importance.
It still doesnt make the issue formally a boundary dispute since Palestine does not exist as a country for UN...
 
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Your Indian masters won't appreciate an insult like Daal Khor.

He fails to realize that he bites the hand that feeds him. Literally we supply the meat he or his family chomps on in Afghanistan. Maybe all those kebabs(OF PAKISTANI LIVESTOCK) are getting to his head.
 
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Back to sq 1.. If Afghanistan doesnt like Pakistan, it does not need permission from UN to feel that way..

I don't need ot answer this again I think. It's very much simple.

It still doesnt make the issue formally a boundary dispute since Palestine does not exist as a country for UN...

As I said before doesn't change the fact that this dispute has been discussed in UN making it an issue of international importance. Something which non issues like Durand line clearly lacks. :)
 
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Disputes by definition do not need recognition.. If Afghanistan feels that Durand Line is not valid, then it does not need a UN certification to feel that way or act accordingly..

if they were so inclined about it and not just doing it to cover up their own f*ck ups, they would have taken the issue to the ICJ in a civilized fashion --and made their ''case'' (regardless of how weak) heard.....

but when they opted to experiment with armed incursions, not only were they driven back --but it actually weakened them and was of more detriment to them than it was to Pakistan....

the border issue is really a non-issue as far as the border boundaries are concerned...It's such a poorly demarcated and rugged border that cross-border movement is quite easy, even with a more beefed up security. Of course we can mine and fence some of the border, but in fact it is Afghans only who have reservations over that (not Pakistanis) --- and Pakistan preferred to be a ''concessionary'' neighbour by heeding to their concerns (for better or for worse)

remarks about durand line by Afghan officials will not bode well in Pakistan and will be received in Pakistan as a hostile act
 
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afghan army chief is saying all this under the cover of some one else ........................ we all know this

afghan army chief reminds and has remember a 100 years ago treaty but forget the recent services and help given to them in less than 35 years of their civil war by Pakistan. wow ... very strange.
 
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you'll never meet a Pakistani who wishes ill on Afghanistan or disputes claims about the validity of Afghan borders; all they need to do is return the favour and live side by side as good neighbours.

I think the common man in Afghanistan has suffered enough....mostly due to internal issues than external, though, unfortunately, Afghanistan has been used as a proxy battleground for so long and this must change too.The region should be left alone by outsiders who exploit the situation.
 
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I think Asim very clearly explained the non issue of 100 years expiry date which does not as a matter of fact appear in the agreement documents.. What are other objections that Afghans have to this agreement document and its implications.. I would find it weird if the only basis of challenge was this 100 year thing..
 
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Thanks for posting such good link Gen Ehsan kicked his counterpart *** in a sweet manner
 
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I think Asim very clearly explained the non issue of 100 years expiry date which does not as a matter of fact appear in the agreement documents.. What are other objections that Afghans have to this agreement document and its implications.. I would find it weird if the only basis of challenge was this 100 year thing..

Interesting. What are your thoughts on Junagadh?
 
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You can't be 'friendly with Afghanistan' by ignoring 60% of Afghanistan's 'non-Pashtun' population.

I agree that the leadership that descended from the NA is virulently anti-Pakistan, but as reconciliation moves forward in Afghanistan, we need to open a dialog with them and reassure them that we will not support a return to the sectarian and ethnic violence of the Afghan civil war. And if we can encourage the Taliban leadership to engage with Karzai and the US to come to a 'political solution to the Afghan insurgency', then surely it would be easier to encourage the Taliban leadership to engage with the non-Pashtun leadership and reassure each other of 'respecting the other side'.

Afghanistan will have to be a loose federation with the provinces having significant autonomy, at least until the memories of ethnic violence fade and the various political players can trust each other.

I trust that you actually believe it.

---------- Post added at 03:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 PM ----------

Recently I was watching a TOLO TV talk show hosted by Dawood Sultanzoy. He was interviewing the Chief of Armed Forces General Shir Ahmad Kairimi about the capability of Afghan security forces and the transition of security from international troops to Afghans. During the questions, Sultanzoy asked General Karimi about the rocket firings from Pakistan into Afghanistan which made hot headlines in recent weeks when Chief of Border Police in Eastern provinces resigned asking President Karzai to allow him to strike back on Pakistani security forces in response to the rocket attacks.

General Karimi gave a shocking explanation, saying Afghanistan's border is the Indus River in Pakistan. I am quoting General Karimi's all words. He said, "Durand Line agreement was for hundred years, it's over now and Afghanistan has the right to claim its territory in Pakistan.

Durand Line agreement signed in 1893 for hundred years was imposed by the imperialist power of the time. It was a political game by the imperial power in the region, and divided our borders, and we lost our territory. Our border is known, it's the Indus River. Even Chatral was part of Afghanistan, we have documents to prove, the ruler of Chatral was appointed by Afghanistan. Pakistan and its military know that we don't recognize the Durand Line.

Since 60 years, we have been claiming it. The last time it was martyred Sardar Dawood, former President of Afghanistan, who claimed our Pashtunistan land officially. Pakistan after 66 years of its birth has now claimed some changes in the Durand Line saying that the real line was some kilometers inside Afghanistan. ISAF (International Security Assistance Forces) have drawn their claim on map, it's with me. It's a political game by Pakistan to persuade the international community to come and see.


Both lines that they claim will be in favor of Pakistan, asking us to sign. Pakistan is trying to make us recognize the Durand Line that way. The purpose of the recent rocket attacks is to provoke us for a reaction. President Karzai announced that we won't attack Pakistan. Because if we attack on the other side of the Line [Durand], it's our own territory, we will attack our own brothers. We won't react and undermine our future with their provocation, but I want to make it clear for the international community that our border is not the Durand Line, it's the Indus River. We will even not talk on Durand Line, when you call us to come and resolve the issue of some kilometers on that line".

That was the summary of what the Chief of Afghanistan's Armed Forces said. The issue of Durand Line is an unspoken root cause of disputes between the states of Afghanistan and Pakistan for the past several decades. It reached peak during the rule of President Dawood, when the slogan of Pashtunistan and claims beyond Durand Line were the official mantra of the time. Both Islamabad and Kabul started proxy campaigns when President Dawood allowed the mass migration of Baloch separatists in Kabul who were fighting in the mountains of Balochistan against Pakistan Army.

In response, Islamabad for brief period raised the slogan of independent Hazarajat through some circles in central Afghanistan. A media war through Radio Kabul and Radio Pakistan became the channel of that proxy campaign. The Islamic fundamentalists who were fighting against President Dawood were supported by the then Pakistani Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. President Dawood made new claims extending the supposed Pashtunistan territory in parts of Balochistan province.

Most successive Afghan Governments have been taking up the issue of legitimacy of Durand Line not accepting it as international border. But strange is that, the state never officially condemns the brutal dictator of the time Abdul Rahman Khan who signed the Durand Line Agreement in 1893. It's a bogus stand to keep mum on the deeds of this tyrant ruler, but denounce his agreement.
Previous Afghan Governments have questioned the legitimacy of Durand Line. In 1949, the Afghan parliament cancelled all previous treaties with Britain, including the Durand Line Agreement. But strangely, following governments kept requesting the British Government to intervene in the cold war between Afghanistan and Pakistan in that era.

The Afghan governments in the period from 1949 to 1973 have all failed to persuade the international community and forums to intervene on the issue of Pashtunistan. The international community considers the Durand Line as the international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Even if the current crippled Government which cannot control our present territory and extend the write of Government, succeeds in bringing the issue of Durand Line on international level, it will be almost impossible to prove the stance our previous governments have been taking. When we cannot control the current territory and masses don't trust our security forces to maintain their security, the Army Chief talks about a non-existent dispute which should have been resolved long ago.

The statement of General Karimi has come in the context of recent Pakistani attempts to make the Afghan state recognize the border officially. But our Army Chief makes claim all across the Sindh river. Its good he didn't go too far across Indus inside India and claim the territory invaded by Ahmad Shah Abdali or even back in the era of Mehmood Ghaznavi.

We are going to get to nowhere with such foolhardiness. The Durand Line dispute has been a game of interest between rulers in Kabul and Islamabad. I conclude this piece with words of Daily Outlook's former executive editor Musa Khan Jalalzai, "The people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa across the Durand Line are not willing to join Afghanistan.

Pakistan and Afghanistan must not allow the Durand Line to become a flashpoint. Most of the Asian frontiers have not been demarcated by Asians themselves, but by colonial powers, therefore nobody can insist on the inviolability of any frontier, including the Durand Line. The Great Game and military confrontations between Russia and Great Britain caused the fixing of the Durand Line, which brought the Khyber Pass and Quetta under British-Indian control".

I find it a bit two faced to avoid the Durand line problem with Afghanistan and yet make such a big deal on the Pak-India border (ref Kashmir).
 
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Yeh lo

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/46177-gen-r-ehsan-ul-haq-slams-afghanistan.html

Pakistan's stance on the Pak-Afghan border is principled and correct.

Even funnier is the fact tht livestock is smuggled into aghwanistan frm Pakistan.....


Meat eating afghans:

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...-PmtBQ&usg=AFQjCNHtTY7muyQgUgjurU9XLiuG2DvYug

...... forget wheats n other stuff..

Heck afghanistan cant even produce crops to feed its own people.



Except for drugs....
 
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