Afghan Army chief coming to India [in August] with revised wish list

[ebrahym]

It's like an Indian saying to you "stop relationships with China because we don't like it"

did you even read it?
i m actually urging Indians to increase cooperation with Afghans by taking in refugees read my post above #FailLogic

 

[haviZsultan]

Afghanistan may remain a quagmire unless and until it stops treating the world, including Iran Saudi and Pakistan as its enemy. I have seen such sentiment from Afghans. They respect no one. Even those with opposing views regarding secularism/mullah rule or American support/traditionalism have a skewed view and hatred for other nationalities. Is it any surprise that both Taliban supporters and ANA supporters blame Pakistan. ANA supporters claim Pakistan is arming terrorists and Taliban supporters of Afghanistan claim Pakistan is a US ally. They haven't developed consensus and decided whether we Pakistanis are fighting the Taliban or supporting them.

When another country is used as a punching bag and can be blamed for everything then the society does not look at its own problems. Pakistan should have left Afghanistan alone in the Afghan Soviet war. But Pakistan has become more of a scapegoat today.

 

[GR!FF!N]

What ANA is in dire need???

Various kind of armored cars,IFVs,MBTs
Helicopters(Attack as well as Troop Carrier/Ambulence)
Ground Attack Aircrafts/Trainers
Artys and Rockets
Various trucks

India can help in several categories if we want to.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Right! We need to stuff them up with attack choppers and artillery guns which are being replaced by the new Dhanush and M777 Hows.

No instead we can give financial support to acquire new artillery guns from private players like barat forge which has lots of range. Afghanistan would be the best bet in fine tuning our tanks a D other weapons made in India. Think about it. Our kathak riffles can be tested in real combat where climate similar to two fronts of India.

Both India and Afghanistan should work together in setting up military instalation and service centers in Afghanistan thru our private companies. Soft loans should strengthen our ties in future also. Lots can be and should be done. What is stopping us? India can play a game by inviting Russians to build weapons and helicopterz for Afghanistan. All these can be done to the fullest with couple of billions. This could change complete dimension

Afghanistan may remain a quagmire unless and until it stops treating the world, including Iran Saudi and Pakistan as its enemy. I have seen such sentiment from Afghans. They respect no one. Even those with opposing views regarding secularism/mullah rule or American support/traditionalism have a skewed view and hatred for other nationalities. Is it any surprise that both Taliban supporters and ANA supporters blame Pakistan. ANA supporters claim Pakistan is arming terrorists and Taliban supporters of Afghanistan claim Pakistan is a US ally. They haven't developed consensus and decided whether we Pakistanis are fighting the Taliban or supporting them.

When another country is used as a punching bag and can be blamed for everything then the society does not look at its own problems. Pakistan should have left Afghanistan alone in the Afghan Soviet war. But Pakistan has become more of a scapegoat today.

Why u came to this conclusion? Iran and Afghanistan are hand in gloves and creating various ways to contain taliban wahabi ideology and creating new routes eliminating Pakistan from the picture... These are all spear headed by Indian diplomacy and you know it.

Baba kalyani should offer their guns to Afghanistan army. India should allow it.

 

[pakdefender]

What ANA is in dire need???

Various kind of armored cars,IFVs,MBTs
Helicopters(Attack as well as Troop Carrier/Ambulence)
Ground Attack Aircrafts/Trainers
Artys and Rockets
Various trucks

India can help in several categories if we want to.

maybe then you should hurry up as the capital of Helmand might fall soon , perhaps it's time india should send its famed special forces to Helmand ?

Afghanistan: Helmand Capital May Fall To Taliban
Rebels besiege the city despite US airstrikes and officials warned without government support the whole province "will collapse"

Militants have besieged the city despite US airstrikes and local officials have warned that without support from the central government the whole province "will collapse soon". The insurgents have seized areas only a few miles from the city centre and they reportedly control all roads leading to Lashkar Gah. Exhausted soldiers are running out of food and police checkpoints are "falling one by one", according to residents.

http://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-helmand-capital-may-fall-to-taliban-10529673

 

[OrionHunter]

Baba kalyani should offer their guns to Afghanistan army. India should allow it.

Good idea! I think we should ask more of our private players to open shop in Afghanistan like Bharath Forge, L&T, Reliance etc to produce arty guns, ICVs, troop carriers etc. It would be a good testing ground too.

 

[Kaniska]

The two countries will discuss stepping up defence cooperation when Afghanistan’s Army chief General Qadam Shah Shahim visits New Delhi in late August.

India and Afghanistan will discuss stepping up defence cooperation when Afghanistan’s Army chief General Qadam Shah Shahim visits New Delhi in late August, officials said, adding Afghanistan was likely to add to its wish list a request for more Mi-25 as well as Mi-35 attack helicopters.

Confirming the visit of General Shahim, Afghanistan’s Ambassador to India Shaida Abdali told The Hindu: “Obviously, the Army Chief will be here to discuss defence cooperation. India has agreed that it will help with some of the other defence equipment that we have requested. It has also agreed to give us more helicopters, so we are looking into other avenues as well, to help Afghanistan in the defence sector.” During the visit, the Afghan Army chief is expected to submit a list of arms and equipment revised from the one that had been handed over by the former Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, in May 2013.

However, at the time, India had apprehensions about transferring offensive weaponry and had held off those requests. That changed with the Narendra Modi government’s decision to supply four attack Mi25 helicopters in December last year ahead of Mr. Modi’s visit to Kabul.

“There is a perception [in Afghanistan] that India may not go that far when it comes to Afghanistan’s quest for certain things including defence,” Mr. Abdali said.

“To be frank, at times requests have been delayed for too long, and then ultimately some perception was created that India doesn’t do it [because of] neighbours like Pakistan, and I hope that this perception is addressed by the cooperation between our two governments in various fields, including defence cooperation,” he said.

The need for Afghanistan and India to cooperate despite Pakistan’s misgivings about the relationship is a key theme in a book authored by the Afghan Ambassador, Pakistan-Afghanistan-India: a paradigm shift, which was launched in Delhi recently.

Government sources said no announcement was likely during General Shahim’s visit on the nature of the cooperation, but discussions would be held on the basis of the requests from the Afghan defence forces, “in keeping with our decision to supply helicopters last year.” Diplomatic sources also confirmed that the “wish list” from Kabul would include attack helicopters, utility helicopters, tanks, artillery and ammunition, as well as training for more Afghan forces.

In particular, Kabul wants the Indian Army to send trainers to work with Afghan trainers and “build capacities” at military academies.

Sources said 600-700 of Afghan officers had been trained at Indian academies. “They are the best and doing very well. But we want to build capacities in our country,” the sources added. [ wo jo 100 billion usd kha gai us say kon si capacity bani ? ]

Afghanistan is also keen on Indian help in restoring Soviet-era tank and ammunition factories as India operates similar equipment and has the expertise, the sources said. Finally, while arms and equipment are being supplied by various nations in small volumes, their maintenance is an issue. For instance, since 2002 India has supplied 1,000 buses and other vehicles, but most of them are out of use owing to lack of spares and support, an issue that will also be discussed during General Shahim’s visit.

Corrections and clarrification: In an earlier version of this article, the Afghanistan Army chief was wrongly named as General Sher Mohammad Karimi. It is General Qadam Shah "Shahim". The error is regretted.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...dia-with-revised-wish-list/article8894326.ece

I think, in long term, people of Afganistan has to realize be united. Getting arms from any one will solve the problem unless they really beleive in the combine nationhood where ethnicity takes a back seat...Till the point, this realization happens, Afganistan will always be used by either Pakistan or by the West....

 

[GR!FF!N]

maybe then you should hurry up as the capital of Helmand might fall soon , perhaps it's time india should send its famed special forces to Helmand ?

Afghanistan: Helmand Capital May Fall To Taliban
Rebels besiege the city despite US airstrikes and officials warned without government support the whole province "will collapse"

Militants have besieged the city despite US airstrikes and local officials have warned that without support from the central government the whole province "will collapse soon". The insurgents have seized areas only a few miles from the city centre and they reportedly control all roads leading to Lashkar Gah. Exhausted soldiers are running out of food and police checkpoints are "falling one by one", according to residents.

http://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-helmand-capital-may-fall-to-taliban-10529673

Stop cheering Taliban,I know your countrymen are fighting in Talib ranks.But shamlessly cheering for it never bodes well in longer run,as everyone knows,even though weak,Afghan Govt is here for stay.

Meanwhile,if India arms Afghanistan,Pakistan will start its regular rant.Even without arming,we're facing enough blame.

 

[pakdefender]

Stop cheering Taliban,I know your countrymen are fighting in Talib ranks.But shamlessly cheering for it never bodes well in longer run,as everyone knows,even though weak,Afghan Govt is here for stay.

Meanwhile,if India arms Afghanistan,Pakistan will start its regular rant.Even without arming,we're facing enough blame.

Discussing facts that affect my country is not cheer leading

Infact equipment alone may not be enough, India should send 2 divisions join up with Afghan National Army in the ongoing clashes in Lashkar Gah

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We should help Afghanistan as much as possible to become a strong nation,will be good for the regional peace and India.

Afghanistan cannot become a 'strong nation' without wanting to do so itself.

One example of Afghanistan choosing to not 'become a strong nation' is its refusal to enter into intelligence and military cooperation with Pakistan. Such cooperation would not have been at the cost of additional agreements/cooperation with NATO and/or India, but in addition to it, and would have gone a long way in addressing both military/intelligence concerns and building trust between the two countries - yet the Afghan's chose to reject it and chose to keep their country 'weak'.

Another example would be in how the Afghan's continue to shelter TTP and Baloch terrorists on their soil, somehow thinking that they'll be able to prevent the same groups from collaborating with the Afghan Taliban and ISIS inside Afghanistan.

 

[kasper95]

Afghanistan cannot become a 'strong nation' without wanting to do so itself.

One example of Afghanistan choosing to not 'become a strong nation' is its refusal to enter into intelligence and military cooperation with Pakistan. Such cooperation would not have been at the cost of additional agreements/cooperation with NATO and/or India, but in addition to it, and would have gone a long way in addressing both military/intelligence concerns and building trust between the two countries - yet the Afghan's chose to reject it and chose to keep their country 'weak'.

Another example would be in how the Afghan's continue to shelter TTP and Baloch terrorists on their soil, somehow thinking that they'll be able to prevent the same groups from collaborating with the Afghan Taliban and ISIS inside Afghanistan.

I am not sure if its stopping Afghanistan from becoming a great nation by not sharing the intelligence sharing agreement with Pakistan.but there is a reason why they dont want an agreement i am sure you know it sir .but not cooperating and working together is hurting both the nations.

Regarding sheltering TTP and Baloch terrorists on their soil,they say Pakistan is supporting and sheltering Afghan taliban, not only them many others too feel the same.

Will it not be better if both treat each other as equals and cooperating with each other and not support the groups which are hurting each other.otherwise i see voilence and death in both Pakistan and Afghanistan for a long time.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Discussing facts that affect my country is not cheer leading

Infact equipment alone may not be enough, India should send 2 divisions join up with Afghan National Army in the ongoing clashes in Lashkar Gah

Opening 4 Indian consulates resulted so much rona dhona in neighborhood that posting Indian Army in Afghanistan will solve Pakistan's water crisis.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am not sure if its stopping Afghanistan from becoming a great nation by not sharing the intelligence sharing agreement with Pakistan.but there is a reason why they dont want an agreement i am sure you know it sir .but not cooperating and working together is hurting both the nations.

The refusal to enter into military and intelligence cooperation with Pakistan is absolutely hurting Afghanistan's anti-terrorism effort, given that one of the main complaints both nations have is that terrorists cross across the borders and that operations on one side are not reciprocated via a 'hammer and anvil' approach by the other side (this has primarily been a concern expressed by Pakistan). Without extensive military and intelligence cooperation between Afghanistan and Pakistan, I don't see how the Afghan's can address this issue they harp on about every chance they get.

Regarding sheltering TTP and Baloch terrorists on their soil,they say Pakistan is supporting and sheltering Afghan taliban, not only them many others too feel the same.

Whether Pakistan is actually doing what is alleged is irrelevant - what is relevant is that fact that those accusing Pakistan of sheltering such elements also point out that Pakistan's terrorism issues are largely due to such 'sheltering', because these terrorists groups all eventually collaborate and cooperate at various levels. Now if Pakistan can't control the blowback from the alleged policies of 'sheltering terrorists', then how on earth do you think the Afghans, with many magnitude fewer financial and military resources and expertise, possibly hope to control the blowback?

Will it not be better if both treat each other as equals and cooperating with each other and not support the groups which are hurting each other.otherwise i see voilence and death in both Pakistan and Afghanistan for a long time.

The first steps in that direction involve increased military and intelligence cooperation and better border management - Afghanistan has refused all 3, and on the latter (border management) is in fact increasing tensions and mistrust by harping about the Durand Line that is a settled border issue under international law and recognized as the international Afghan-Pakistan border by the UN.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Stop cheering Taliban,I know your countrymen are fighting in Talib ranks.But shamlessly cheering for it never bodes well in longer run,as everyone knows,even though weak,Afghan Govt is here for stay.

Meanwhile,if India arms Afghanistan,Pakistan will start its regular rant.Even without arming,we're facing enough blame.

India can arm Afghanistan all it wants, in fact i would welcome it because the ANA is in dire straits right now, and if not overhauled, they lack the capacity to defeat the resurgent Taliban. Training from Seasoned Indian Army Officers to ANA Officers would actually go a long way, much more potent than handing out weapons which will largely be pilferaged or lost due to lack of maintenance. After all, India cannot even spend a fraction of the amount that NATO has spent. NATO has sunk more than $60 billion in training and equipping the ANA. I sincerely doubt it if the Indians can even spend a fraction of that.

I see my fellow Indians are suggesting here arming the ANA with attack choppers, artillery or IFV's. All good and noble, but the track record of ANA shows that they can barely maintain and service the MI-17's, how in the world will they service these sophisticated Indian Weapon Systems.

I think, in long term, people of Afganistan has to realize be united. Getting arms from any one will solve the problem unless they really beleive in the combine nationhood where ethnicity takes a back seat...Till the point, this realization happens, Afganistan will always be used by either Pakistan or by the West....

If only they can unite

 

[GR!FF!N]

India can arm Afghanistan all it wants, in fact i would welcome it because the ANA is in dire straits right now, and if not overhauled, they lack the capacity to defeat the resurgent Taliban. Training from Seasoned Indian Army Officers to ANA Officers would actually go a long way, much more potent than handing out weapons which will largely be pilferaged or lost due to lack of maintenance. After all, India cannot even spend a fraction of the amount that NATO has spent. NATO has sunk more than $60 billion in training and equipping the ANA. I sincerely doubt it if the Indians can even spend a fraction of that.

I see my fellow Indians are suggesting here arming the ANA with attack choppers, artillery or IFV's. All good and noble, but the track record of ANA shows that they can barely maintain and service the MI-17's, how in the world will they service these sophisticated Indian Weapon Systems.

$60 bil to raise a 3 hundred thousand ANA and half a mil police forces.

Yes they lack spare parts of some of the hardwares,even India faces similar issues which results cannibalization of fleet(Mi-26 is the greatest example).But it has nothing to do with new hardware which has its spare parts available.And perhaps for few equipments,but we're not funding these platforms totally free.Afghanistan wants to buy these hardware,which are cheap and rugged.These are basic needs for any army but will go down long way.

They want a capable field howitzer,and they're asking for 105 mm LFG,they want mortars,they want 81 mm.These are very basic platforms without which they can't defeat Taliban.But Nato never provided these essential hardwares,even knowing it is essential.They never provided a MBT,which could sustain any IED attack yet perform.They provided a light recon helo for fire support.They provided aircraft fleet that bogged down due to various factors.And even in their words,they said its due to the factor that they don't want to displease an "important ally".

Yes it is true that corruption is a vital factor when it comes about ANA,but still they're fighting and repelling Taliban Offensives around 2 years now.They require same level of support like Iraq.You can see the amount of hardwares Iraq is buying to re raise their armed forces.Sadly,Afghanistan is not getting same level of attention.

But there are ray of hopes as America is not abandoning Afghanistan and instead of placing boots,they raised ANA to perform their job while they restricted their activity to training and maintaining drone fleet.It'll take several years before ANA will perform their activities independently,and it is crucial that these few years,they have to become Defensive offense mode.

Anyway,just like previous chief,he'll also ask for Howitzer,Mortars,Heavy AFVs/MBTs,multi utility helos,UAVs and such.