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AeroIndia 2009: Chinese J-11B a copy of the Su-27SK, say Russian officials news
14 February 2009

Bangalore: Russian aerospace authorities have confirmed what has been speculated upon publicly for years that China had produced its own "fake" version of the Su-27SK fighter jet in violation of intellectual property agreements. "We are in discussions with China on this issue," said Mikhail Pogosyan, first vice president on programme coordination, Russian Aircraft Corp., during a press conference here at the AeroIndia 2009 trade show.

Pogosyan is also director general of the Sukhoi design bureau.

China and Russia contracted to build 200 Su-27SKs in 1995, with the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. as the local partner, at a cost of $2.5 billion. Under the deal the aircraft, dubbed as the J-11A, would be outfitted with Russian avionics, radars and engines. However, the contract was dissolved in 2006, after production of only 95 aircraft, once the Russians discovered that China was developing an indigenous version, J-11B, with Chinese avionics and systems.

The Chinese programme resulted in the production of six J-11B fighters for testing purposes, but ran into problems over the production of a suitable engine to power the aircraft. The J-11B remains outfitted with the Russian engine, the AL-31F.

At joint meetings held last year, both Pogosyan and the Russian defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov managed to apply sufficient pressure on Chinese officials to compel them to respect intellectual property rights.

Russian authorities have reason to fear that the Chinese would mass-produce cheaper export versions of the Su-27 for the international market. Such exports would have great consequences for the volatile Indian sub-continent where it could drastically impact military balances.

The Chinese may have been persuaded to be reasonable in this regard with Russia showing it the stick with regard to futuristic fighter programmes, such as the Su-33 carrier based version of the Su-27.

Russian officials downplayed the quality of the Chinese copy -the J-11B. "If we speak about the copy of the airplanes, I think that in this case, the original will always be better than a slightly modified copy," Pogosyan said. "The original made by the designer who developed the product is always better, and it is a better start for a new program with the original designer and developer than making a fake copy."

He also pointed out that it was difficult to deal with problems that copies threw up over their lifetime and it was only the original developer who knew best how to deal with such issues.

Security experts are not convinced that Russia will have persuaded China completely to shy away from developing the J-11B any further. Very likely, the Chinese may have agreed to play along till such time as their Su-33s have been delivered.

The Chinese Navy has begun construction of its first aircraft carrier and needs Russian technology and experience.
 
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Do you know the different between J11/J11A/J11B?

He knows only how to Bash Pakistan And China.

Always searching for a news :coffee: against Pakistan and China.

It seems Like China has a Universal Photo Copy Machine, which can Photo Copy anything From a Small needle to Aircrafts. :rofl::rofl:
 
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to all my russian and indian fellows:

Roooni surat gadhay ki muraat!!!!!!
 
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well china has the habit of copying everything from mobile phones , cars to fighter aircrafts but you cant do anything . even russians cant do anything now .
 
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J11B


Do you know the different between J11/J11A/J11B?

Can you please let us all know what the differences are? I for one would like to know.
 
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Can you please let us all know what the differences are? I for one would like to know.

J-11 is a licensed production of the Russian Su-27 aircraft. Initially, a contract of 200 J-11 were signed between China and Russia. However, after 95 such units were produced, China did not produce any more J-11 (Su-27) because it didn't meet Chinese needs.

Instead, they were working on improvements for the J-11, like using more composites, strengthening the airframe, reducing the RCS, better avionics, etc.

So they came up with J-11B, which had several improvements over the previous J-11 that was being license produced in China. This J-11B has more Chinese components and less Russian ones (estimated 70% Chinese components).

So J-11B is an improved Su-27. China doesn't claim it is a different plane altogether, which is evident from its name. Its J-11b and not some new designation.

Russia doesn't have any problem with the J-11B either, since China already has a license to produce the J-11 anyway. The only cause of concern by Russia is that China doesn't export this plane since the Su-27 family (SU-27, SU-30) is currently Russia's top export plane and if China enters the market with an improved and cheaper plane, it would hurt Russia directly.

All this is old news, since J-11b has been there for some time and all issues had been resolved between China and Russia. The statement at AeroIndia was nothing more than a political statement to please India.
 
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J-11 is a licensed production of the Russian Su-27 aircraft. Initially, a contract of 200 J-11 were signed between China and Russia. However, after 95 such units were produced, China did not produce any more J-11 (Su-27) because it didn't meet Chinese needs.

Instead, they were working on improvements for the J-11, like using more composites, strengthening the airframe, reducing the RCS, better avionics, etc.

So they came up with J-11B, which had several improvements over the previous J-11 that was being license produced in China. This J-11B has more Chinese components and less Russian ones (estimated 70% Chinese components).

So J-11B is an improved Su-27. China doesn't claim it is a different plane altogether, which is evident from its name. Its J-11b and not some new designation.

Russia doesn't have any problem with the J-11B either, since China already has a license to produce the J-11 anyway. The only cause of concern by Russia is that China doesn't export this plane since the Su-27 family (SU-27, SU-30) is currently Russia's top export plane and if China enters the market with an improved and cheaper plane, it would hurt Russia directly.

All this is old news, since J-11b has been there for some time and all issues had been resolved between China and Russia. The statement at AeroIndia was nothing more than a political statement to please India.

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I guess the Russians followed up that statement with some sort of treaty (under threat of legal action) with the Chinese. I read somewhere that the Chinese didnt want to get embroiled in legal mess with the RUssians. Will get the link if I can find it.
 
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Can you please let us all know what the differences are? I for one would like to know.

Jian-11 (J-11, Flanker) Multirole Fighter Aircraft - SinoDefence.com
Analysis: China imitates Su-27SK
Shenyang J-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A short summary of major changes written by Tphuang, on another forum:
some of upgrades of J-11B over su-27sk
1. It has lower weight than sk + more powerful engine -> better T/W ratio
2. It has lower RCS and is designed for longer service time
3. It uses fiber optics communications between the mission computers and faster data communication standard than link 16
4. It has all all-glass cockpit with holographic HUD.
5. More advanced EW suite with MAWs providing 360 degree coverage + IRST that's improved on OLS-31E

The flight control system is replaced by a Chinese one, the engines are also replaced by Chinese turbofans (the WS-10A) which have slightly more thrust and a lot more reliability/longer MTBO than the Russian engines, so much cheaper to operate.

Basically, the entire aircraft is re-designed. It is still a flanker, but a Chinese one.
 
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Don't get angry but the last time Indian newspapers reported that Russian expert told them that Pak would not get RD33 for JF17 we already knew that it was BS. Now they are busy with propaganda about J11. Probably to hide the inability to maintain anything, to build something or even to buy something on time...

I take Indian press as one of the worst possible...
 
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Don't get angry but the last time Indian newspapers reported that Russian expert told them that Pak would not get RD33 for JF17 we already knew that it was BS. Now they are busy with propaganda about J11. Probably to hide the inability to maintain anything, to build something or even to buy something on time...

I take Indian press as one of the worst possible...





1、Pak will get ws-13 for JF17 (before 2011)

2、PLAAF will Order JF17
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1、Pak will get ws-13 for JF17 (before 2011)

2、PLAAF will Order JF17

It is a great News For Pakistan and China both, Can you Please Provide the Source of this news.

:china::pakistan::china::pakistan:
 
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It is a great News For Pakistan and China both, Can you Please Provide the Source of this news.

:china::pakistan::china::pakistan:

Do you mean that , China will also be buying Jf17?, becz before this JF17 was not part of China`s airforce.
 
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Do you mean that , China will also be buying Jf17?, becz before this JF17 was not part of China`s airforce.

hacsan;sir
lack of wisdom,my friend!
thats all i can say;):lol::pakistan::china::tup:
 
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