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Absolutely unnecessary...we have developed LR-SAM with Israel and now developing MR-SAM with them...what is the need for Aegis? We must get out of the impression that whatever USA has made is of high quality and ours is of low quality.
 
This and the news about India getting F-35s both seem equally credible.

I am keenly awaiting the thread declaring that the US is providing India with Ford class aircraft carriers before they debut in the USN :-)

The US Navy's programme CVN 21 for the future generation aircraft carrier programme was previously known as the CVN(X) programme. In January 2007, The US Navy announced that the new class would be called the Gerald R Ford Class. The first two ships, Gerald R Ford (CVN 78) and CVN 79, will be commissioned in 2015 and 2019 and further ships of the class will enter service at intervals of five years. A total of ten Ford class carriers are planned with construction continuing to 2058.

CVN 78 will replace USS Enterprise (CVN 65) which entered service in 1961 and will approach the end of operational life by 2015. The total acquisition cost of the CVN 21 is expected to be $11.7bn.

The US Department of Defense awarded Northrop Grumman Newport News in Virginia a $107.6m contract in July 2003, $1.39bn contract in May 2004 and $559m to prepare for the carrier construction and to continue the design programme on the ship's propulsion system.

"The CVN 78 carrier will be armed with the Raytheon evolved Sea Sparrow missile."The CVN 78 first steel was cut in August 2005. A $5.1bn contract for the detailed design and construction was awarded to Newport News in September 2008. The keel is scheduled to be laid in late 2009.

Northrop Grumman was awarded a contract for the planning and design of the second carrier, CVN 79, in November 2006. Construction of CVN 79 is expected to begin in 2012.

CVN 21 design
The Gerald R Ford class carriers will be of about the same displacement, about 100,000t, as its predecessor the Nimitz class George HW Bush (CVN 77) but will have about 500 to 900 fewer crew members.

The manpower reduction was an additional key performance parameter added to the original four outlined in 2000 in the operational requirements document for the CVN 21 programme. It is estimated that the new carrier technologies will lead to a 30% reduction in maintenance requirement and further crew workload reduction will be achieved through higher levels of automation.

The other main differences in operational performance compared to the Nimitz Class are increased sortie rates at 160 sorties a day (compared to 140 a day), a weight and stability allowance over the 50-year operational service life of the ship, and increased (by approximately 150%) electrical power generation and distribution to sustain the ship's advanced technology systems. Another key performance requirement is interoperability.


Aircraft carrier hull
All US Navy aircraft carriers since the 1960s have been built at Northrop Grumman Newport News. Northrop has extended its design and shipbuilding facilities with a new heavy plate workshop and burners, a new 5,000t thick plate press, covered assembly facilities and a new 1,050t-capacity crane.

"Northrop is using a suite of computer-aided design tools for the CVN 21 programme."Northrop is using a suite of computer-aided design tools for the CVN 21 programme, including a CATIA software suite for simulation of the production processes and a CAVE virtual environment package.

The hull design is very similar to that of the current Nimitz Class carriers and with the same number of decks. The island is smaller and moved further towards the aft of the ship.

The island has a composite mast with planar array radars, a volume search radar operating at S band and a multi-function radar at X band and also carries the stern-facing joint precision approach and landing system (JPALS), which is based on local area differential global positioning system (GPS), rather than radar.

The aircraft carrier traditionally carries the flag officer and 70 staff of the carrier battle group. The flag bridge which has previously been accommodated in the carrier's island has been relocated to a lower deck in order to minimise the size of the island.

The ship's internal configuration and flight deck designs have been significantly changed. The lower decks incorporate a flexible rapidly reconfigurable layout allowing different layouts and installation of new equipment in command, planning and administration areas.

The requirement to build in weight and stability allowance will accommodate the added weight of new systems that will be installed over the 50-year operational life of the ship. The removal of one aircraft elevator unit and reducing the number of hangar bays from three to two have contributed to a reduction of the weight of the CVN 21.

Weapons
The carrier will be armed with the Raytheon evolved Sea Sparrow missile (ESSM), which defends against high-speed, highly manoeuvrable anti-ship missiles. The close-in weapon system is the rolling airframe missile (RAM) from Raytheon and Ramsys GmbH.

Aircraft
The carrier will be capable of carrying up to about 90 aircraft including the F-35 joint strike fighter, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, EA-18G, MH-60R/S helicopters and unmanned air vehicles and unmanned combat air vehicles.

"CVN 78 will replace USS Enterprise (CVN 65) which entered service in 1961."The requirement for a higher sortie rate at 160 sorties a day with surges to a maximum of 220 sorties a day in times of crisis and intense air warfare activity, has led to design changes in the flight deck.

The flight deck has a relocated and smaller island, and there are three rather than four deck edge elevators. Deck extensions also increase the aircraft parking areas. The aircraft service stations are located near the 18 refuelling and rearming stops.

General Atomics has been awarded the contract to develop the EMALS electromagnetic aircraft launch system which uses a linear electromagnetic accelerator motor. EMALS demonstrators have been tested at the Naval Air Systems Command (NASC) Lakehurst test centre in New Jersey. It is planned that EMALS will replace the current C-13 steam catapults.

If successful, EMALS technology offers the potential benefit of finer aircraft acceleration control, which leads to lower stresses in the aircraft and pilots and provides a slower launch speed for unmanned air vehicles and allows a wider window of wind-over-deck speed required for the launch sequence.

The contract for the development of an advanced turbo-electric arrestor gear has been awarded to General Atomics. The electro-magnetic motor applies control to the synthetic arrestor cable to reduce the maximum tensions in the cable and reduce the peak load on the arrestor hook and on the aircraft fuselage.


Aircraft weapons
The flow of weapons to the aircraft stops on the flight deck has been upgraded to accommodate the higher sortie rates. The ship carries stores of missiles and cannon rounds for fighter aircraft, bombs and air-to-surface missiles for strike aircraft, and torpedoes and depth charges for anti-submarine warfare aircraft.

Weapons elevators take the weapons systems from the magazines to the weapons handling and weapons assembly areas on the 02-level deck (below the flight deck) and express weapons elevators are installed between the handling and assembly areas and the flight deck. The two companies selected by Northrop Grumman to generate designs for the advanced weapons elevator are the Federal Equipment Company and Oldenburg Lakeshore Inc.

"Sortie rates for the CVN 21 are increase to 160 sorties a day (compared to 140 a day for the Nimitz Class)."The deployment of all-up-rounds, which are larger, rather than traditional weapons requiring assembly will require double-height magazines and store rooms and will also impact on the level of need for weapons assembly facilities.

The US Navy outlined a requirement for a minimum 150% increase in the power-generation capacity for the CVN 21 carrier compared to the Nimitz Class carriers. The increased power capacity is needed for the four electro-magnetic aircraft launchers and for future systems such as directed energy weapons that might be feasible during the carrier's 50-year lifespan.

Sensors
Raytheon was contracted in October 2008 to supply a version of the dual-band radar (DBR) developed for the Zumwalt Class destroyer for installation on the Gerald R Ford. DBR combines X-band and S-band phased arrays.

Propulsion
Northrop Grumman is developing the advanced nuclear propulsion system and a zonal electrical power distribution system for the CVN 21.
 
Irrespective of what companies do, there can be no arms trade without governments on both end providing approval (i.e. India:defence procurement and funding decisions and US: export permission).
When companies make presentation, they almost aware abt the fact that this product can be offered. None of the companies in US make Ppt for F-22 coz they know for sure that its not for sale.

As per f-F-35 and Aegies, that is on offer to India. These presentations were made in the presence of US navy higher officials, so there comes the govt aggreement.

We are not planning to buy any of them and that the fact. at least as of now its not in our books. Instead we have our own combat management system and went into developing Lr SAM with Israel.
 
This and the news about India getting F-35s both seem equally credible.

I am keenly awaiting the thread declaring that the US is providing India with Ford class aircraft carriers before they debut in the USN :-)

This is from Lockheed Martin website... is there any more credible source than LM?

Miscellaneous - In addition to the above, Lockheed Martin is in the process of developing opportunities in the Indian Navy for the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), VLS Mk 41 launchers, Aegis weapon system, Census, and civilian air traffic control upgrade programs.

India | Lockheed Martin

US offers India the Aegis Combat System, the world’s most advanced shipboard weapons system

Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system

Don't know anything about Ford class carriers but there was a report in the Guardian that UK MoD will offer its new QE class carrier to India but India rejected it in favor of indigenous programme.
 
This and the news about India getting F-35s both seem equally credible.

I am keenly awaiting the thread declaring that the US is providing India with Ford class aircraft carriers before they debut in the USN :-)

I sense some thing burning I hope it is the shoes,

domain-b.com : Lockheed Martin keen to supply Aegis missile defence system to India

This and the news about India getting F-35s both seem equally credible.

I am keenly awaiting the thread declaring that the US is providing India with Ford class aircraft carriers before they debut in the USN :-)

I sense some thing burning I hope it is the shoes,

http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general/20090514_lockheed_martin.html
 
if the news is true then aegis systems can b integrated with the PAD anti ballistic sheild on kolkata class destroyers
MK41 is the best VLS in the world , why go for PAD? It's kind of way much to gild lily.
 
the aegis has been offered onboard the new p-17b follow on to the shivalik class heavy frigates.It remains to be seen if the offer is taken as the barak-8 on the kolkata class have a very similar ADS installed.
 
the aegis has been offered onboard the new p-17b follow on to the shivalik class heavy frigates.It remains to be seen if the offer is taken as the barak-8 on the kolkata class have a very similar ADS installed.

Aegis should be more advance than any none US platform. If Aegis is being offered and you need to worry about its performance vs similar systems, than you know nothing about air defense platforms.
 
Barak 8 is all we need as it is a very good weapons system for India:


Barak 8" consists of an advanced C2 system developed by the IAI's Mabat (space systems and technologies) that integrates task management to of a single fire-control system or simultaneous fire control by a number of units. Based on STAR-MF-LB-type radar (EL/M- 2084) developed by Elta Systems Ltd, "Barak 8" displays a semicircular numerical image at a 360 degree angle above the ship or layout of ships. It excels in high resolution and is capable of detecting missiles with very low radar signature.
 
Lokheed Martin is attracted towards the money offered by Indian and dats why they r trying to sell dere latest products. Right now they are just wooing India by presentations b/c they cannot sell these technologies without some agreements which India will have to sign in order to get these technologies. But Aegis, imagine Aegis with Akash or Brahmos. Its a beauty....



Not just money but also India poses no danger to the US. Luckily, China was able to copy Aegis and incorporate it on their ships by hacking.....and to think our idiotic strategic planners just thought of building a full flegded cyber unit? Others talk less, just do it. We have much to learn.
 
Aegis should be more advance than any none US platform. If Aegis is being offered and you need to worry about its performance vs similar systems, than you know nothing about air defense platforms.
I'm not worried about the performance of aegis vis a vis barak 8 but price tag.
 
Absolutely unnecessary...we have developed LR-SAM with Israel and now developing MR-SAM with them...what is the need for Aegis? We must get out of the impression that whatever USA has made is of high quality and ours is of low quality.

The LR-SAM MR-SAM ur talking about r the same missile i.e. Barak 8's land n naval versions.
They aren't 2 different missiles besides naval varient of Barak 8 has a range of 70 km only, although its a good system but Aegis has much higher range n is one of the best defence system available today....

N it isn't like if we opt for Aegis we'll dump Barak 8 project rather the plan is to integrate it along with PAD system with Aegis system...:D
 
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