Admiral Modernises Pakistan Navy To Meet Non-Traditional Threats

[araz]

this is where we come in.
like all the purchases we did
we bring our own equipment in board
i would love to go with that french radar or italian ones both giving easy 1k plus ranges
that’s not much these days considering we have an awacs whos range is 750 and compare it to a vessel whose electric supply is endless

PN tried this approach with the type 21s. It did not work andfrom the modernization contract for 90Bs to STM, it seems to a novice like me that we still lack the capability to integrate diverse equipment from multiple providers. It maybea space and manpower ussue as well. I understandthat things may have changed in the last 2 decades but generally PN will not tinker about too much. Having said that a visionary person in the shipyards industry can work wonders for PN.
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[ali_raza]

PN tried this approach with the type 21s. It did not work andfrom the modernization contract for 90Bs to STM, it seems to a novice like me that we still lack the capability to integrate diverse equipment from multiple providers. It maybea space and manpower ussue as well. I understandthat things may have changed in the last 2 decades but generally PN will not tinker about too much. Having said that a visionary person in the shipyards industry can work wonders for PN.
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thats the ultimate goal and now more then ever we r close to our dream of having perfect of both worlds combined into one system
jf17 has both east and west systems
milgem will be no different

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Unless we strengthen private sector manufacturers in defense related keel up construction, and equipment integration, design and construction projects will come to a stand-still eventually.

PN thrice tried to transfer technology, 1. limited overhaul and rebuild of Daphne, 2. Agosta 90B project and the misc. construction projects starting from Tugs/support crafts to Fleet Auxiliaries to Missile crafts and a Frigate.

Most of them if not all of them, fell into one shot projects! The keel up refit of Daphne capability really did not help us build a submarine nor its sub components (those who know the refit process know that it is actually taking everything apart to the ribs and struts and putting all of it back together -- in essence deconstructing and then reconstructing!) The job used to be done at the old Naval Graving Dock under the overall dockyard umbrella.

For the Agosta 90B, if I remember it correctly, a new quasi private sector company was formed by the name of DefLog but that remained focused on one project shot kind of a deal. The company is nowhere to be found as of today. That was the most ambitious project but I guess PN did not followup on it.

The various smaller crafts produced in collaboration with KSEW to larger projects like the F22P & the recent Tanker build is a step in the right direction but I fear that lack of funds and focus on future upcoming projects will drain away the experience from the project teams which worked on the two major projects.

What is needed is that a private sector entity be encouraged with rebates, limited time subsidies trough tax holidays, and confirmed production order to pull together local and foreign talent and design teams to form a real shipbuilding venture. Privatizing KSEW can be one way to do it. They should work on upcoming and long term design projects for both Govt. and private sector and then manufacture them. Essentially, follow the Turkish model. The bigger task would be to establish the smaller but more important down stream industry that can feed into the larger scheme of things

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Unless we strengthen private sector manufacturers in defense related keel up construction, and equipment integration, design and construction projects will come to a stand-still eventually.

PN thrice tried to transfer technology, 1. limited overhaul and rebuild of Daphne, 2. Agosta 90B project and the misc. construction projects starting from Tugs/support crafts to Fleet Auxiliaries to Missile crafts and a Frigate.

Most of them if not all of them, fell into one shot projects! The keel up refit of Daphne capability really did not help us build a submarine nor its sub components (those who know the refit process know that it is actually taking everything apart to the ribs and struts and putting all of it back together -- in essence deconstructing and then reconstructing!) The job used to be done at the old Naval Graving Dock under the overall dockyard umbrella.

For the Agosta 90B, if I remember it correctly, a new quasi private sector company was formed by the name of DefLog but that remained focused on one project shot kind of a deal. The company is nowhere to be found as of today. That was the most ambitious project but I guess PN did not followup on it.

The various smaller crafts produced in collaboration with KSEW to larger projects like the F22P & the recent Tanker build is a step in the right direction but I fear that lack of funds and focus on future upcoming projects will drain away the experience from the project teams which worked on the two major projects.

What is needed is that a private sector entity be encouraged with rebates, limited time subsidies trough tax holidays, and confirmed production order to pull together local and foreign talent and design teams to form a real shipbuilding venture. Privatizing KSEW can be one way to do it. They should work on upcoming and long term design projects for both Govt. and private sector and then manufacture them. Essentially, follow the Turkish model. The bigger task would be to establish the smaller but more important down stream industry that can feed into the larger scheme of things

Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) is building the Philippines' new frigates for less than $200 m per ship (weapons and sensors included), including 2x4 AShW, 8-cell VLS, 2x3 ASW, etc.

So, the inputs to build modern frigates at a lower-than-average cost definitely exist, we need companies with ship design expertise and access to these inputs (and an ability to get them at a competitive rate).

Can you imagine if we had 3-4 companies capable of this work across frigates, corvettes, FACs, support ships and submarines? Basically, they'll make their own designs, but draw on the most cost-effective and capable inputs via China, South Korea, Turkey, Europe, etc to build ships at 60-75% of the cost of a foreign OEM?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) is building the Philippines' new frigates for less than $200 m per ship (weapons and sensors included), including 2x4 AShW, 8-cell VLS, 2x3 ASW, etc.

So, the inputs to build modern frigates at a lower-than-average cost definitely exist, we need companies with ship design expertise and access to these inputs (and an ability to get them at a competitive rate).

Can you imagine if we had 3-4 companies capable of this work across frigates, corvettes, FACs, support ships and submarines? Basically, they'll make their own designs, but draw on the most cost-effective and capable inputs via China, South Korea, Turkey, Europe, etc to build ships at 60-75% of the cost of a foreign OEM?

Very true. hope this happens soon. Commercial entities can and do make these types of projects less costlier.