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Ijazul Haq and the Lal Masjid connection are widely known he funded these people and armed them to the teeth, Mullah Gazi was cought driving with weapons and arrested a DSP also initiated a detail case on him Gazi was released on the orders of Ijazul Haq and the DSP was sent to another part of the country.

You are absolutely correct that Ijaz-ul-Haq was at fault for what he did. But there is a difference between helping out a friend (And the act was still wrong) and knowingly helping out a "terrorist" commit "terrorism". Politicians are the same as people on the street - if people here, confronted with all the evidence about terrorists in Pakistan and FATA, refuse to blame anyoone but Musharraf, why would you expect people like Ijaz-ul-Haq to believe any thing negative about a friend or acquaintance? Almost everyone I know in Pakistan has weapons of some sort, is it really that hard to understand why he got him off the hook?

Who knows, perhaps he was specifically aware of the intent of Ghazi to stockpile weapons for terrorism, perhaps he still retains connections to some of these elements - That is a problem, but the Musharraf Govt. is not the only ones with ties to fundamentalists - Look at the statements of Qazi Hussain, look at Hamid Gul, what about Nawaz Sharif? Nawaz Sharif is Zia's prodigy, can he honestly be exonerated from the kinds of influences his mentor's son has? They overtly espouse the same ideology.
 
OK but my point was not that. Ignorance will not lead you to any solution. Whtever happened, happened how to solve it. stop blaming each other he did this or i did this or they did this. SOLVE IT!

Answer me why CHINESE were getting killed whats the connection there with LAL MASJID?

I see where you are coming from, I hope this gets solved I pray it gets solved, my resolution my first one is to improve peoples living standards decrease the record breaking high prices and the electricity prices and the wheat shortages, the new coalition government needs to improve the lives of the people of Pakistan, re-initiate dialogue with sepratist to stop the slaughter of innocent people. The root of the cause is that PA is in Blochistan and NWFP and it shouldn't have been like this we must pull them out as we have learned when PA uses force then the insurgents use force by killing innocent people and targetting the army.
 
CHRONOLOGY - Major bomb attacks in Pakistan

Reuters - Two suicide car bombers struck in the Pakistani city of Lahore on Tuesday, killing 24 people and wounding scores, most of them in an attack on a government security office, police and officials said.

More than 500 people have been killed in Pakistan this year in militant-related violence, including a campaign of suicide bombings.

Here is a chronology of some of the worst bomb attacks since July 2007:

July 14, 2007 - Suicide car-bomber kills 24 paramilitary soldiers and wounds 29 in North Waziristan.

July 15 - Sixteen people, most of them paramilitary soldiers, are killed in suicide-bomb ambush on patrol in Swat Valley in North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Separately, suicide bomber targets police recruits in Dera Ismail Khan in NWFP, killing 29.

July 17 - Suicide bomber kills 16 people outside court in Islamabad where country's suspended chief justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry, was due to speak.

July 19 - Three suicide attacks in a single day in three towns kill at least 52 people.

July 27 - Suicide bomb attack in a restaurant near Islamabad's Red Mosque kills 13 people, most of them policemen.

Sept. 4 - Two suicide bombers kill 25 in Rawalpindi.

Sept. 11 - Suicide bomber kills 16 people in northwest Dera Ismail Khan.

Sept 13 - At least 15 soldiers killed in suicide bombing in an army canteen near Islamabad.

Oct. 19 - At least 139 people killed in suicide bomb attack on former prime minister Benazir Bhutto's motorcade as she is driven through Karachi after arriving home from eight years of exile.

Oct. 25 - Suspected suicide bomber kills 21 people, including 17 soldiers, in an attack on an army convoy in Swat.

Nov. 24 - Twin suicide car bomb attacks kill 15 people in Rawalpindi, on the eve of the return of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif from exile in Saudi Arabia.

Dec. 17 - A suicide bomber kills 10 military recruits in the northwestern town of Kohat.

Dec. 21 - A suicide bomber kills at least 41 people in a mosque in northwest Pakistan during Eid festival prayers.

Dec. 27 - Bhutto is killed in a bomb attack after a rally in Rawalpindi. More than 20 others are killed in the attack.

Jan. 10, 2008 - A suicide bomber walks up to policemen outside the High Court in Lahore and sets off explosives. Nineteen people are killed, 16 policemen and 3 passers-by.

Feb. 22 - A roadside bomb kills 13 members of a wedding party, including the bride, in Swat.

Feb. 29 - A suicide attack on a police funeral in the district of Swat kills 40 people.

March 2 - At least 40 people are killed when a suicide bomber attacks a traditional tribal meeting in the tribal region of Darra Adam Kheil.

March 11 - Two suicide car bombers strike, killing 24 people, most of them in an attack on a government security office in Lahore.
 
Agnostic,

Ghazi is well know fundamentalist I mean really well known him carrying rocket launchers, gas masks, granades and detonators.... This is not the odinary home defence.

Yes Nawaz was and say Zia's quote "son" of his as Zia said once but now he has openly said that he will ask his party to ask forgiveness for the Political murder of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto he is changed man as he learned from Musharraf's treason and MQM's betrayal, this also means that Zia will called a triator which Musharraf has not done for is so called democratic tenure a Post humerus sentace of Zia he should be buried in a odinary sematry and his tomb stone should say Triator and High treason.
 
I see where you are coming from, I hope this gets solved I pray it gets solved, my resolution my first one is to improve peoples living standards decrease the record breaking high prices and the electricity prices and the wheat shortages, the new coalition government needs to improve the lives of the people of Pakistan, re-initiate dialogue with sepratist to stop the slaughter of innocent people. The root of the cause is that PA is in Blochistan and NWFP and it shouldn't have been like this we must pull them out as we have learned when PA uses force then the insurgents use force by killing innocent people and targetting the army.

The PA did not start using force until it was attacked by Tribal militants. Remeber that the only thing the PA did initially was go into FATA to prevent cross border raids/movement by Taliban militants. You are forgetting that the recent wave of suicide bombings started after the LM incident (Which was not in FATA) when the North Waziristan Taliban declared they wanted to avenge the operation. Soon after that, Mehsud and co. jumped onto he bandwagon and said they were unilaterally terminating the "deal" because the GoP had decide to start setting up "check posts" again. Suicide bombings and beheading as retaliation for check posts? The PA and GoP is not at fault here - the narrative sounds nice for people who want easy solutions to a complex problem - "oh if only the Army would pull out of FATA every thing would be hunky dory!" That is not going to happen.

A person who slaps you because you slapped him can be reasoned with - a person who blows up your family because you slapped him cannot - the latter is the truth about the Taliban and AQ militants you are advocating "dialog" with. Mehsud and his foreign militant buddies chose the "peace deal" to stockpile weapons, why would you expect anything different?

Furthermore, have you tried looking into the reasons behind the PA deployment in FATA, and what the militants want?

1.The deployment is primarily opposed by the Taliban and AQ, they want to be able to continue to cross into Afghanistan and attack NATO. Will you actually negotiate a deal that allows them to do that? Does Pakistan not have any international obligation to not allow its territory to be used for attacking another sovereign nation?

What else do these people want?

2. An imposition of their form of Shariah, initially only in FATA, but everyone knows it wont stop there. Are you prepared to grant them that in "negotiations"?
 
Blasts in Lahore, Karachi etc. achieve a dual goal - on one hand they are primarily targeted at specific Security Institutions, and on the other they do impact economic activity. Remember that AQ, and the Taliban in league with them, will thrive in the lawlessness of FATA and Afghanistan post Soviet Union. They have thrived in a lawless, chaotic Iraq. Pakistanis have this mental block of refusing to see past the "Muslim brothers", and the bombings are bringing forth the desired response from the usual suspects of "Musharraf is doing this - our relationship with the US is responsible - FATA ops. are responsible etc.

On the dot! And I'm not very optimistic about the Pak population being able to clearly identify the causes and culprits. I fear for more instability in the coming months culminating in a coup by some party.

These attacks are not random acts but very pre-planned and carefully thought out by somebody really high up the chain of command of the terrorists. There appears to be a new vigor with which they're striking - almost at their will at some very specific set of targets. Recall they tried to get Benazir twice including the fateful attempt. They appear to be very determined about their aims - they sure do have a plan.

I'd be very concerned if I were a Pakistani. Will the PA and ISI ultimately decide to stay with Musharaf at this rate of bombings ? Will they be willing to fight it out or would they rather get rid of Mush and buy their peace with AQ - Taliban. And what is the US going to be doing ?

Any peace with AQ-Taliban is going to be temporary.They've shown inclinations to attack Pakistan where it hurts. They won't mind doing it again if given the time. If they further enhance relations with Kashmiri jihadis and the Islamist elements present in the establishment - who are operating with a certain degree of freedom thanks to the establishment looking the other way in addition to support delivered in the past, Pakistan is in for one good fight.

America has forced this fight on Pakistan. If you ask me it is better they did it today and not tomorrow. This Islamist rot could've gotten worse leading to a full scale civil war if left to thrive for another decade or two. It was always a matter of time.

Personally, I would've been very supportive of the anti-fundamentalists stand had Pak not let its mental block of Muslim brotherhood and Jihad hijack geo-politics. They were wrong in getting religion into politics from day one. I'm disappointed the fight was not begun voluntarily from the Pak side. And I'm concerned Pak might go back to its old days after the US pressure is off.
 
Agnostic,

Ghazi is well know fundamentalist I mean really well known him carrying rocket launchers, gas masks, granades and detonators.... This is not the odinary home defence.

Bhai, you have lived in Pakistan I am sure. I have been with my dad when he has had strings pulled - the guy pulling the strings doesn't listen to explanations and details about why his friend sitting in his office should not have this "favor" done for him - they bulldoze over any objections, "thori si dharkayn martay hain" and get it done. Unfortunately its our culture, and when we cannot accept the evil of these terrorists under the argument of "our Muslim brothers" its easy to see how someone would look the other way for both a "friend" and a "Muslim brother" and "religious scholar". It was wrong, completely wrong - and that is why the police needs to be separated from politicians. Which reminds me, I haven't heard of any statements from the PPP regarding autonomy of LEA's. Is there anything in the works?

Yes Nawaz was and say Zia's quote "son" of his as Zia said once but now he has openly said that he will ask his party to ask forgiveness for the Political murder of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto he is changed man as he learned from Musharraf's treason and MQM's betrayal, this also means that Zia will called a triator which Musharraf has not done for is so called democratic tenure a Post humerus sentace of Zia he should be buried in a odinary sematry and his tomb stone should say Triator and High treason.

I am not in the least concerned about whether someone apologizes for ZAB's murder - an apology, or the lack of it, is not going to impact the nation in any major tangible way - what concerns me, and should concern you, is whether Zia's legacy of extremism and intolerance is removed, since we can see the consequences of that "message of hate", and they will only get worse if not stopped - and on that count Nawaz Sharif is his twin.
 
Samudra:
I'd be very concerned if I were a Pakistani. Will the PA and ISI ultimately decide to stay with Musharaf at this rate of bombings ? Will they be willing to fight it out or would they rather get rid of Mush and buy their peace with AQ - Taliban. And what is the US going to be doing ?

Any peace with AQ-Taliban is going to be temporary.They've shown inclinations to attack Pakistan where it hurts. They won't mind doing it again if given the time. If they further enhance relations with Kashmiri jihadis and the Islamist elements present in the establishment - who are operating with a certain degree of freedom thanks to the establishment looking the other way in addition to support delivered in the past, Pakistan is in for one good fight.

America has forced this fight on Pakistan. If you ask me it is better they did it today and not tomorrow. This Islamist rot could've gotten worse leading to a full scale civil war if left to thrive for another decade or two. It was always a matter of time.

Personally, I would've been very supportive of the anti-fundamentalists stand had Pak not let its mental block of Muslim brotherhood and Jihad hijack geo-politics. They were wrong in getting religion into politics from day one. I'm disappointed the fight was not begun voluntarily from the Pak side. And I'm concerned Pak might go back to its old days after the US pressure is off.

I completely agree Samudra.

The major concern right now is that Pakistan does not back out of this fight, no matter what the cost, because the cost later will indeed be even higher. Backing down now will allow every self styled mullah leader in Pakistan to set up shop with private militias enforcing their obscurantist and intolerant views. Cleaning up a mess like that will indeed turn Pakistan into Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
The PA did not start using force until it was attacked by Tribal militants. Remeber that the only thing the PA did initially was go into FATA to prevent cross border raids/movement by Taliban militants. You are forgetting that the recent wave of suicide bombings started after the LM incident (Which was not in FATA) when the North Waziristan Taliban declared they wanted to avenge the operation. Soon after that, Mehsud and co. jumped onto he bandwagon and said they were unilaterally terminating the "deal" because the GoP had decide to start setting up "check posts" again. Suicide bombings and beheading as retaliation for check posts? The PA and GoP is not at fault here - the narrative sounds nice for people who want easy solutions to a complex problem - "oh if only the Army would pull out of FATA every thing would be hunky dory!" That is not going to happen.

Well it realy started when we declared we are with the War on terror and then with the missle strikes in Pakistan by US Airforce. Well I say it will make them come out to talk rather then have them fight let them make negotiable treaties not demands.

A person who slaps you because you slapped him can be reasoned with - a person who blows up your family because you slapped him cannot - the latter is the truth about the Taliban and AQ militants you are advocating "dialog" with. Mehsud and his foreign militant buddies chose the "peace deal" to stockpile weapons, why would you expect anything different?

Well what do you want more suicide bombing or lets nogotiate with these idiots and resolve the differences we have, those stock piles cause no danger to PA like wise in Iraq the insurgants there that use weapons against the US troops which are decades old Russian weapons has bothered not one bit, its the SS bombing. In fact I am worried about how the PA running its campign recently this year 4 to 5 loads of ammo trucks were captured by the sepratist these weapons will now be used against the PA.

Furthermore, have you tried looking into the reasons behind the PA deployment in FATA, and what the militants want?

The war against terror?

1.The deployment is primarily opposed by the Taliban and AQ, they want to be able to continue to cross into Afghanistan and attack NATO. Will you actually negotiate a deal that allows them to do that? Does Pakistan not have any international obligation to not allow its territory to be used for attacking another sovereign nation?

Well nothing wrong with closing the border between Afgan and Pak but is that why we are in NWFP and Blochistan not really, Afgan-Pak in current circumstances should be close as these are the trade roots of AQ and Taliban.

What else do these people want?

2. An imposition of their form of Shariah, initially only in FATA, but everyone knows it wont stop there. Are you prepared to grant them that in "negotiations"?

Thats what the government allowed in Fata I heard they changed the law to suit the new invaders perfect. Dialogue was something that was more workable when Bugti was alive its true this does not sound sane in these circumstance but is better than fighting a war may never win, Agnostic on the streets of Islamabad and point out a terrorist you cant because they are not something that can be reconsized and the only way to know who they are is by negotiating.
 
Agnostic,

I just remembered you may like this I hope, some asked the Prophet(swas) if there are Muslims who fight other muslims because of their ideology say one of them dies will he/she go to heaven the Prophet(swas) replied neither will go on any side they are kafir on both sides. I remember reading that the Prophet(swas) had strong feelings against war and aggression it only lead to more war and aggression its like the conservation law (energy before = energy after)
 
Well it realy started when we declared we are with the War on terror and then with the missle strikes in Pakistan by US Airforce. Well I say it will make them come out to talk rather then have them fight let them make negotiable treaties not demands.

And do you really think Pakistan has the capability to stop US raids and bombings if it decided not to officially support the WoT? The bombings would continue, in fact, since Pakistan would not longer be an ally, the US would lose all interest in being careful in order to minimize the impact on the Pakistani govt. and they would attack anything that was suspicious.

Plus they have already made their demands, and indicated their intent. Who do you think is blowing up all the CD shops and businesses? And do you honestly think that people who can indoctrinate teenagers with such hate that they blow themselves and other innocent people up, have any intention of giving up that hate? This "deal" or "treaty" will only be in place for as long as it allows these people to gain strength - they will provide a haven to all sorts of extremist organizations in their territory, and they will start spreading into the rest of Pakistan - Look at their ideological goal - it is "Ummah and "Khilafat", FATA will never be enough for them.

Well what do you want more suicide bombing or lets nogotiate with these idiots and resolve the differences we have, those stock piles cause no danger to PA like wise in Iraq the insurgants there that use weapons against the US troops which are decades old Russian weapons has bothered not one bit, its the SS bombing. In fact I am worried about how the PA running its campign recently this year 4 to 5 loads of ammo trucks were captured by the sepratist these weapons will now be used against the PA.

Do morals and ethics mean nothing to you man? Good god - these people are killing innocent civilians left and right! Thay are TERRORISTS - they terrorize, torture, maim, threaten... In Afghanistan a 12 year old boy was found slaughtered with dollar bills stuffed in his mouth (that he apparently had on his person) for being a spy!

What happened to all that stuff about Islam - equality for all, justice for all, rights for all? To save our own skins we should allow people to use our land to commit these atrocities? What about the rest of the people in FATA? Can you say with certainty that they want to live in the fear and medieval society of the Taliban for ever? I am all for negotiations if they start off with unilateral disarmament, and offer a Shariah vetted by respected and known Islamic scholars. I am not for negotiations that allow these people to keep their arms and continue to use violence to impose their ideology.

The war against terror?

Well nothing wrong with closing the border between Afgan and Pak but is that why we are in NWFP and Blochistan not really, Afgan-Pak in current circumstances should be close as these are the trade roots of AQ and Taliban.

Dude, even the Soviets weren't able to do that, how on earth can we? ANd may I remind you that the efforts to close the border, by deploying PA troops to prevent cross border Taliban movement, are the main reason these people are fighting us? The border cannot be sealed a hundred percent, and even if it were, the presence of this hateful ideology would only mean they would focus even more on destroying Pakistan. This isn't about Pashtun occupation anymore, its a more feral and universal kind of hate, a hate that has been based in religion and that has transcended nationalistic causes, though it uses nationalism to continue propagating itself.

Thats what the government allowed in Fata I heard they changed the law to suit the new invaders perfect. Dialogue was something that was more workable when Bugti was alive its true this does not sound sane in these circumstance but is better than fighting a war may never win, Agnostic on the streets of Islamabad and point out a terrorist you cant because they are not something that can be reconsized and the only way to know who they are is by negotiating.

The GoP is considering Shariah in Swat, but that is after the militants got their ***** kicked and chased out of Swat. You negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness, and the writ of the state is ensured.
 
Agnostic,

I just remembered you may like this I hope, some asked the Prophet(swas) if there are Muslims who fight other muslims because of their ideology say one of them dies will he/she go to heaven the Prophet(swas) replied neither will go on any side they are kafir on both sides. I remember reading that the Prophet(swas) had strong feelings against war and aggression it only lead to more war and aggression its like the conservation law (energy before = energy after)

An excellent saying. However, don't look at it too literally, and use it to justify criticism of PA operations in FATA. If one were to never "fight" other Muslims, a state could never bring criminals to justice, if those criminals claimed to be Muslims. What the militants in FATA are doing is engaging in unlawful acts, and therefore the state has a responsibility to bring them to justice, and stop their unlawful activities.
 
There is huge cover up aswell on the side of the government They also deny that US has been launching operation in Pakistan and firing missiles in Pakistan, the 10,000 missing persons cases. I was so sure if PA kills Bugti every thing will go out of hand and it has, thousands upon thousands people have died in Pakistan because of the violance and it is increasing I was reading the Jang and read that a Suicide bomber took over a car and presuaded the driver to drive to the destination he wanted or he will detonate himself this happened in Islamabad luckly the driver drove but eventually the bomber couldn't find his target and he only left the car because fuel was empty the driver reported that the bomber was very young in his teens. Actually Musharraf has given a new stain to Pakistan and that is sucide bombing Iraq style attacks and it all due to his nerrow minded view that force resolves and diplomacy doesn't. Negotiation is the only way forward the people of Bloachistan want independance because of this regime more than ever because of the shortage of Electricity, wheat and water, the huge and unberable prices that have made poor people to the extent....

Bro i am going to make a very bold statment against you." where they hell do you get this information, What negotiation do you talk about? Who is there to negotiate with? " Pakistan made a peace deal with these blood thirsty animals meaning bait ullah masood for more then a year, Pakistan gave 9 months to lal masjid terrorists NINE MONTHS DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS" there is no negotiation with terrorists they either give up or we will kill them surly we will take looses aswell but GOP is doing the best and we will go after all these terrorist and KILL them. We showed some softness we did negotiation, with bugti terrorist(hell burrning aniimal) we did negotiation with bait ullah massood, we did negotiation with lal masjid aunti!! what happend . NOTHING !! they used that time to gather information arms and got strong and bite us back. I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO YOU INTERCEPTOR TELL ME ONE THING DO YOU KNOW WHAT DEMANDS THESE TERRORIST HAVE FROM GOP? i saw you hiding and never replying for any of the claims by other!! I asked you to prove your points you never did. ANSWER MY QUESTION WHAT DEMANDS DO THEY HAVE AND IF PAKISTANI GOVERMENT CAN FULFILL THEM? :pakistan:Long live Pakistan and full support to Pakistani Goverment:sniper:
 
‘Twin blasts planned 4 months ago’

LAHORE: The twin suicide attacks in Lahore on Tuesday were planned four months ago, investigators said on Wednesday. They said the Punjab Home Department’s Special Investigation Unit had been working in a house in Model Town. They said the SIU office had been shifted to another location in November 2007 after militant Qari Zaffar of the banned Hizbul Mujahideen, escaped from the SIU office, and threatened to blow up the investigation centre. The house was then rented to Shahzad Qayyum, a Peshawar businessman. Shahzad said the former SUI in-charge had visited their house along with police officials and briefed them.

asad kharal
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
‘More bombers still in Lahore’

LAHORE: Four to six men prepared to carry out suicide attacks are still present in Lahore, according to a Geo News report broadcast on Wednesday. It said that security forces were considering a number of options and security measures to foil possible attacks. Quoting unidentified sources, the channel said the Punjab Home Department had forewarned Tuesday’s suicide attacks and had asked for enhanced security measures. The Home Department had told security officials that suicide bombers had entered various cities of Pakistan, and had shared intelligence regarding possible suicide attacks in Lahore and other cities of Punjab, the channel reported.

daily times monitor
 

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