Activist Jibran Nasir urges govt to arrest admins of 'Pakistan Defence'

[Zibago]

It allows investigation officers to "order" provision of data (after notifying a court), but it does not allow them to make the accused(s) "disappear"

Disappear? they were just taken away for ENHANCED interrogation

 

[M. Sarmad]

Disappear? they were just taken away for ENHANCED interrogation

It's too early to say that they were actually abducted by the LEAs ... But if the LEAs did it, they violated the constitution of Pakistan and acted "illegally" ... Enforced Disappearance is illegal under any circumstances

 

[VCheng]

It's too early to say that they were actually abducted by the LEAs ... But if the LEAs did it, they violated the constitution of Pakistan and acted "illegally" ... Enforced Disappearance is illegal under any circumstances

Sir, it is high time to accept the reality that Pakistani noble warriors are above the law, whether be it the motorway, or Constitutional procedures. And move on.

 

[Musafir117]

It's too early to say that they were actually abducted by the LEAs ... But if the LEAs did it, they violated the constitution of Pakistan and acted "illegally" ... Enforced Disappearance is illegal under any circumstances

LEA hell don't care who is Bhensa or Bhens there are dozens of sites where bloggers insults religion and state agencies etc FB and Twitter is hell filthy and there is not one single you can count as positive. My doubt is stronger the burqa posh molvi all on his best to moving threads around of the puppet show. The most active in social media are anti liberal Zaid Hamid brigade and as usual PTI trolls and anti hard core Shia labeling that Bhensa as Shia.
How is that simple one to book an individual on blasphemy as we have law,we can book any individual doing treason or trying for as we have law BUT still choosing wrong way to make examples.
All eposide is fishy and stinky one.

Disappear? they were just taken away for ENHANCED interrogation

Na Maloom Afrad in action again?

 

[Zibago]

LEA hell don't care who is Bhensa or Bhens there are dozens of sites where bloggers insults religion and state agencies etc FB and Twitter is hell filthy and there is not one single you can count as positive. My doubt is stronger the burqa posh molvi all on his best to moving threads around of the puppet show. The most active in social media are anti liberal Zaid Hamid brigade and as usual PTI trolls and anti hard core Shia labeling that Bhensa as Shia.
How is that simple one to book an individual on blasphemy as we have law,we can book any individual doing treason or trying for as we have law BUT still choosing wrong way to make examples.
All eposide is fishy and stinky one.


Na Maloom Afrad in action again?

I got banned on bhensa I supportany action against someone who mocks creation of Pakistan he qwas no shia he was a pro India and for some strange reason pro mqm atheist kind of like Tarik phatu

He was a guy who would put tilawat onitem song videos to piss people off he actually cheered death of Pakistan army soldiers
He banned me the day 9, 0 got raided

 

[VCheng]

This author needs to be careful too, I suppose:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1307789/country-of-sheep

Country of sheep
KHURRAM HUSAIN

WHAT do those who abducted the four activists want? What crime did those four commit? They used the digital space very effectively to create satirical commentary against an extremist narrative that is sweeping across the country with increasing ferocity. They wrote poetry.

Salman Haider was picked up without warning when he was returning from a visit with friends, and his car was found abandoned near Korral Chowk just outside Islamabad. His wife received a text message telling her to come and get the car, from his phone. Kidnappers usually turn the phone off at once, since it can be used as a tracking device.

Another two were picked up from their homes. In at least one of those cases, the family noticed that their WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger accounts were still on, and being checked, well into the night.

Doesn’t sound like your typical kidnappers again. The BBC, in their news story on the event, put it best: “No group has said it is holding them. All four aired views critical of the military or militancy on social media.”

Now we have news of a fifth individual, with a similar profile as an activist, also missing as per family reports. Whether or not this is the fifth in line, or the last, we don’t know.

What is going on? Whoever picked them up has no fear of being tracked. No group has claimed responsibility, and no ransom calls have been received. Quite apparently, this is not the handiwork of ordinary criminal gangs.

Days after the pick-ups began, a Facebook page by the name of Bhensaa was shut down. The page was reportedly run by two of the individuals who have been picked up, with possibly other partners. It carried material that touched on religion and politics in a way to counter the extremist narrative sweeping the country.

We are turning crooks into heroes on our TV screens, while the courageous and articulate amongst us are violently weeded out.

In a more sinister development, the page that was taken down became active again but with a new group of people posting to it, who began hurling abuse on the original creators of the page and accusing them of engaging in “hate speech”. Really? Hate speech? So is that how this is going to go down?

This in a country where banned sectarian outfits have felt free to hold demonstrations in an open lot in the capital city, complete with their flags, stage and loudspeakers, from which the most hateful speeches against minority sects have been delivered. This in a country where the interior minister himself meets the leadership of a banned outfit and grants its requests. This in a country where leading members of the same group can run for election, and in one case even win.

What on earth is going on in our country? What ideas are animating the people who issued the instructions for these pick-ups? What do they think they are achieving with acts such as these, which amount to little more than simple abductions?

For a country that is being practically swept off its feet by hate-filled narratives emanating from some seminaries and mosques, that is in the throes of a violent backlash by militant groups that seek to impose their own brand of extreme intolerance on the rest of us, that has had its military installations attacked as well as its schools, playgrounds and shrines, not to mention witnessed targeted killings along sectarian lines, for a country reeling under such circumstances to start using state powers for apprehending these violent and vicious elements, to instead start targeting bloggers and online activists is folly of unimaginable proportions.

Time and again it has been said that the fight against militancy will take far more than guns and bombs. It will take words, poetry, memes, Tweets. It is less a fight over territory and more a fight for the imagination. Such a fight cannot be waged with fake news and sponsored Tweets. It takes the imaginative genius of the citizenry, those with the guts and the brains to generate innovative responses to extremist propaganda.

Instead, the message we are sending to our citizenry is ‘be quiet and do nothing’. We are turning crooks into heroes on our TV screens, while the courageous and articulate amongst us are violently weeded out.

Time and again I am reminded of a story reported by one of the best Karachi journalists in the profession, about a family of boxers who were killed in gang war. Read the details and it will leave you immeasurably sad. These were heroes who stood up to the gangs, sought to rescue the youth from a life of crime by opening a boxing club and providing training and material, and served as role models for them. They were all hunted down by the gangs and killed in one violent swoop. That was the end of their story.

Far too much violence is picking off the best amongst us. Sometimes it is directed by the state, sometimes by criminal gangs, other times by terrorists. Sometimes, sadly, it comes from within the family or by a family against a powerless member of society who is forced into a life of servitude for a few measly rupees.

If we succumb to all this and resolve to lead our lives in a manner that seeks to avoid all contact with the possibility of violent retribution, we become a country of sheep. And nothing helps the terrorists more than that. Nothing hurts the cause of the fight against extremism and terrorism more than that. Nobody is more ill suited to fight against an extremist and terrorist onslaught than a country of sheep. We must demand, and continue demanding, that those abducted bloggers be returned immediately, and unharmed. Recourse to such measures must never be contemplated again in the future.

The writer is a member of staff.

khurram.husain@gmail.com

 

[Zibago]

LEA hell don't care who is Bhensa or Bhens there are dozens of sites where bloggers insults religion and state agencies etc FB and Twitter is hell filthy and there is not one single you can count as positive. My doubt is stronger the burqa posh molvi all on his best to moving threads around of the puppet show. The most active in social media are anti liberal Zaid Hamid brigade and as usual PTI trolls and anti hard core Shia labeling that Bhensa as Shia.
How is that simple one to book an individual on blasphemy as we have law,we can book any individual doing treason or trying for as we have law BUT still choosing wrong way to make examples.
All eposide is fishy and stinky one.


Na Maloom Afrad in action again?

No space in Pakistan for those who mock its creation

 

[TankMan]

This author needs to be careful too, I suppose:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1307789/country-of-sheep

Oh really? Such articles are written on Dawn and the Express Tribune on a daily basis by a few dozen authors - all of whom pretend to be very brave for writing such drivel from the comfort of their homes. None of them have gone missing so far, despite all the topi drama.

They used the digital space very effectively to create satirical commentary

Satire? Bhensa was not satire, it was straight-up hate speech. Satirical commentary has a degree of subtlety to it. Doesn't justify them being kidnapped, but what's the point in pretending they were some great revolutionaries when they were essentially 'just a bunch of cyber trolls'.

What crime did those four commit? They used the digital space very effectively to create satirical commentary against an extremist narrative that is sweeping across the country with increasing ferocity.

What increasing ferocity? It's stagnating if not declining. Pakistan has been dealing with extremists for a long time, it isn't a new phenomenon or something. This writer seems to be stuck in 2005.

And nothing helps the terrorists more than that. Nothing hurts the cause of the fight against extremism and terrorism more than that.

Let me tell you what helps the terrorists more than that: making it an issue of 'Islam vs Secularism' rather than the more realistic 'politically-motivated foreign-sponsored extremist narrative vs Pakistan'.

 

[VCheng]

More words that sound more noble than effective:


http://www.dawn.com/news/1307987/se...ry-to-submit-report-on-five-missing-activists

Senate chairman directs interior ministry to submit report on five missing activists
DAWN.COM

Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani on Thursday took notice of the disappearance of social activists and citizens from Islamabad and Lahore, and directed the interior ministry to submit a report on their disappearance.

At least five online activists and social media campaigners have gone missing within a week from Islamabad and Lahore.

Rabbani directed the ministry to submit its report before the Senate by tomorrow (Friday).

The Senate chairman urged the government to disclose why these citizens went missing. "It will be a matter of more concern if a gang has been abducting people from Islamabad," he added.

Two of the missing — Waqas Goraya and Asim Saeed — reportedly disappeared on January 4, while Salman Haider is said to be missing since Friday night (Jan 6). Moreover, Ahmed Raza Naseer and Samar Abbas were reported missing on Jan 7.

Earlier this week, the matter was taken up on the floor of the Senate, when Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan had briefed the house on the measures taken to recover the abducted men.

“This government is not in the business of abducting people and we will not tolerate such disappearances while we are in power,” the minister had told the Senate, adding that he was in touch with senior intelligence officials.

Furthermore on Tuesday, a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) had also been constituted to probe Salman Haider’s disappearance. However, no substantial development has been reported as yet.

 

[The Eagle]

“This government is not in the business of abducting people and we will not tolerate such disappearances while we are in power,” the minister had told the Senate, adding that he was in touch with senior intelligence officials.

Exactly.....

if a gang has been abducting people

Cannot be ignored the fact as it could be the work of foreign assets to malign Pakistan's Institution however, the picture is unclear till final reports.

 

[VCheng]

http://newsweekpakistan.com/the-fictions-we-live-by/

‘DISAPPEARING’ ACTIVISTS ONLY BETRAYS THE WEAKNESS OF THE STATE.


So far five activists have gone missing. I don’t know of any of them personally. I can’t say I am even familiar with their social media content or activism. One of them, Salman Haider, is a faculty member at Fatima Jinnah University.

No group has claimed responsibility for abducting them. Reports suggest that in the case of Haider his cellphone was not switched off after his abduction and his wife got a message asking her to recover their car from area and point X, not exactly the modus operandi of groups that kidnap people. There’s no news that law enforcement agencies have been able to track them through their cellphones, a fairly easy and standard exercise with today’s technology even if the cell is switched off. This is why criminal gangs kidnapping a person immediately get rid of his/her cellphone because that’s an easily trackable device.

Two of those gone missing were picked up from their homes. At least one report suggests that their Facebook and WhatsApp accounts had remained active post-disappearance, though this writer could not independently verify that.

Be that as it may, prima facie this points to the fact that whoever has taken them is not particularly bothered about law enforcement tracking the disappeared. No terrorist or criminal group can afford to do that or be so brazen. The implication: they are in the custody of some state agency.

The strand common to all of them, I am told by those who followed their activism, is their critical approach to state policies, extremism and in some cases the military’s policies.

Is there something more than this? There are many among us who are critical of state policies, rage against extremism, criticize the military, not just through our writings but also from the bully pulpits of television. What extra bit might these people have done to be thus picked up?

I don’t know. What I do know, however, is somewhat simple: a state that breaks its legal-constitutional compact with its citizen(s), regardless of its military strength, hardware and fancy platforms, is internally weak. Every state has multiple ethnic, linguistic groups whose interests often diverge. Other interest groups use pressure, lobbying, the media and, now, different digital platforms to agitate a number of issues—from taxes and tariffs to reforms to policies. The ambit of such dissent is, and can be, very wide. All of this is normal business. Politics tries to aggregate these interests. That is where political parties and legislation come in. The courts play an important role as arbiters, developing jurisprudence on points of law and interpreting the constitution. None of this is linear; most of it is noisy; some of it can be downright messy.

We have all this and more, the more being terrorism and extremism.

But there’s another thing too, a bird called national interest. History tells us that it is a fluid concept. Today’s Japan and Germany are very different from pre-World War II or World War I Japan and Germany. Those states in statist attributes retain most of them but something changed after WWII. To be a Nazi today would be criminal; to go against the Nazi party yesterday would have got the dissident a one-way trip to the gas chamber. This is true of most states and different and differing times. Yet, at any given point in time, states consider their national interest in that particular moment as something eternal and cast in stone. But there’s another equally important concept: public interest. Scholars have determined that states are more secure when there’s less friction between how they define the national and public interests. The greater the discrepancy between the two, the more vulnerable the state.

There’s an even simpler touchstone, actually. Today, when everyone needs a passport, we have come to look at the concept of state as truth. It’s not. At best it’s a fact. But it’s a fact grounded in fiction, like every other aspect of our individual and collective life. There’s nothing biological or organic about it. It’s not like a family with the same DNA. So, we have to sustain this fiction through various means: selective amnesia, stories, flags, national anthems, war heroes, military parades, invocations to nationhood and national spirit and much else. It’s about Foucault’s carceral culture where schools and barracks and prisons play an important role to discipline those within the territorial confines of a state.

Economics and distributive policies play an important role too. If the state is exploitative, people will want to opt out; if it’s equitable, people will find it more beneficial to stay in than opt out. You can’t opt out of your DNA but you can from a state. Many states have imploded throughout history and many more will in times to come.

If five people can become a threat through their writings, then the fiction hasn’t become a ‘fact’. At best it shows that the legal-constitutional compact is weak and some sections think they can be brazen about imposing what they think is the national interest or is in the national interest, public interest be damned. We have seen that before and it hasn’t worked. Far from turning the fiction into a ‘fact’ it steadily takes the sheen off of the fiction. There’s no system that’s not a prison, what Bentham called the panopticon. But people had much rather be happy than unhappy inmates. They must believe in the fiction.

In a country where we have had peace deals with those who have killed and where highest officials even talk about mainstreaming erstwhile killers and terrorists politically, it should be a matter of grave concern that writers go missing here. The courts have already spoken about enforced disappearances. If there’s a charge against the disappeared, they should be arrested and tried as per laid down procedures. The only force that has arresting and prospecting powers is the police, not the intelligence agencies. If we do not fight against this practice, before long it will become a trend and many more will find themselves in the rabbit hole with nary a whisper from anyone.

Haider is editor of national-security affairs at Capital TV. He was a Ford Scholar at the Program in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, Washington, D.C. He tweets @ejazhaider

 

[Mrc]

I have no sympathies for bhensa admins...
But i do hope if they are with LEAs... they are presented to court on bladphemy charges...

If they are not.... people who kidnapped them will be caught and punished ....

Despite the fact they are deploreable creatures... no body shud take law into own hand...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Activist is a very interesting term

• What exactly were the political activism of these idiots ?
  
• Please enlighten us with the activism of these so call activist
  
• I have heard the chant of these activist (Tareq Fateh creatures)

From what I see based on the reports from the cousin of this creature , he was openly involved in
some serious law breaking inside Pakistan.


I would really like to know what exactly they did in term of "activism"

• Were they taking care of 1000 orphans?
• Were they protecting all animals in Karachi or major city ?
• Were they growing trees and plants , and took part in planting 10,000 trees?
• Were they cleaning the cities of kachra or during social work ?
• Did these activist help 5,000 women get married by helping with dowry ?
• Did they volunteered in hospital to do care of people ?
• If nothig , did they helped a blind lady cross the busy street ? Kiya to kiya kiya??
• How many kids they helped go to school , with their activism ?

If definition of activism is merely writing blogs and collecting money from financiers in Dubai then these are not activist but enemy of state (Be it such folks, or the countless news folks who take money to report lies)


May be these activist went to Dubai to collect their cash and UAE secret services caught them for money laundring may be their beloved should check UAE police record if they might be in their locker room?

 

[WebMaster]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1235959233161742

Bhensa admin first cousin exposes his cousin and Jibran Nasir. It's time we demand that agencies arrest Jibran Nasir and do his trial for supporting this anti Islam pages. Jibran Nasir is the one breaking law here not us View attachment 367761

Interesting info. thanks for sharing.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

From what I see based on the reports from the cousin of this creature , he was openly involved in
some serious law breaking inside Pakistan.

I think you are referring to the cousin of one of the individual by the name Vaqas or something, not Salman.
His cousin was on a show and stated that last valentine's day this person was using the most foul language about the Prophet ,s.a.w. If this happened a year ago and these individuals were roaming about & going about their blogging then indeed the law failed.
Same thing happened and we saw the unfortunate consequences for S. Taseer. FYI, he used to say a lot more . way lot more to be precise & not very different from this bunch .
There is no such thing as absolute freedom!