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Achievements those who migrated for Pakistan empty handed & what they achieved for dream of Pakistan

So what. India has Zee Tamil, Zee Bengali, Zee Telugu. And it doesn't matter how small, it is the responsibility of the state to be inclusive of all.

You know your type of arrogance is going to destroy Pakistan. Brushing everything under the carpet as exaggeration will only alienate the ethnicities even more. I thought moderators of the boards were supposed to be impartial



India has this
USA has that
Canada got this
UK got that.

Oh please with this comparison all the time. Look at Indian population. And there are numbers of channels that are specifically about people of a particular region in Pakistan.
And all these channels are private and they would only show the contents that can do a great business for them.
 
Air Commodore Muhammad Mahmood Alam SJ was a Pakistani fighter pilot who was officially credited by the Pakistanis with having downed five Indian Air Force aircraft in 1 minute during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, all five aircraft are Hawker Hunter aircraft on one sortie on 7 September 1965.

Born: July 6, 1935, Kolkata, India
Died: March 18, 2013, Karachi

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I thought he was Bangali, no??
Air Commodore Muhammad Mahmood Alam SJ was a Pakistani fighter pilot who was officially credited by the Pakistanis with having downed five Indian Air Force aircraft in 1 minute during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, all five aircraft are Hawker Hunter aircraft on one sortie on 7 September 1965.

Born: July 6, 1935, Kolkata, India
Died: March 18, 2013, Karachi

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Dude, All major cities need to be made into Federal Cities. Karachi, Lahore, Pindi make them all federal cities. Cut provinces down especially Punjab. Punjab needs to be broken into at least 2 at most 3-4.

This thread makes no sense.
There are Punjabis, Pashtoon, Sindhis, Balochis, Bengalis that migrated over from India to their respective areas are they not migrants? My family came from Gurdaspur which was a Muslim majority region but still given to India.. Anyways, I am technically muhjar too. What about all the muhjars that were butchered by Hindus and Sikh just for migrating over and being Muslim. Many families here were affected by partition but their sacrifice was part of the creation of Pakistan and should never be underestimated.

To count individuals is useless anyways. There are many people we never heard of that contributed to the creation of Pakistan. Every death and every Pisa is important. That is what people don't understand today. It is not about being an individual and our strength is in unity. If there is a problem you need to bring it to the forefront peacefully and work through internal channels. Not sit in the lap of the enemy as the MQM has admitted.

Today's MQM is PTM and they are going about it the wrong way. If there are some issues with the Pashto people then we should not shit on other ethnicities. That is the whole idea of the civilian government. Everyone in Pakistan wants to be the chief but no one wants to be the indian and then we count our contributions... Like the alternative would have been better.
 
Intermarriage and jobs/edu for Muhajirs outside Karachi will help the situation.

In Punjab, there are no more Urdu speakers, those people have become punjabi speakers.
There were no urdu speakers in Punjab shortly after independence. Refugees in Punjab came from Eastern Punjab and surrounding areas and were mostly punjabi speaking. Those were mainly butchered by Sikhs and punjabi hindus. You may you read about trains full of dead bodies coming at Lahore station but at Karachi station? I think not. Those who reached Karachi were from Lucknow thus gathering of urdu speaking made it a centre of urdu speaking population. Even those who reached Lahore station later migrated to Karachi.
 
Here's one man who literally changed Pakistan's destiny and gave the nation, and our people the ultimate weapon. One of the fathers of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.
The legendary Dr muhammad raziuddin siddiqui (Allah bless his soul).

Theoretical physicist and a renowned mathematician.
MA in Mathematics, under Dr Paul Dirac University of Cambridge.
Studied Quantum mechanics under the great Albert Einstein.
Achieved his doctorate under Albert Einstein.
Worked on the US, British and French nuclear weapons program.
Vice Chancellor of Quaid-e-Azam University.
Nishan-I-Imtiaz recipient.






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Dr. Muhammad Raziuddin Siddiqui was born on 8 January 1908 in Hyderabad, Deccan, India. He was one of the students, who attended the newly established Osmania University. He completed his matriculation from Osmania University in 1921, and earned the BA degree in Mathematics with distinction in 1925. He was one of the graduates of the first batch of Osmania University, in 1925.

Raziuddin was then awarded a scholarship from the Government of State of Hyderabad to pursue higher studies in United Kingdom where he completed his MA in Mathematics, under Paul Dirac from the University of Cambridge in 1928. Then, he proceeded further to work for his PhD at the University of Leipzig in Germany (Weimar Republic).

He studied Mathematics and Quantum mechanics under Albert Einstein in Berlin and Heisenberg at Leipzig. He completed his PhD in Theoretical Physics, writing a brief research thesis on the Theory of relativity and the Nuclear energy. He did his post-doctoral work at the University of Paris, France.

While in Europe, when Dr. Raziuddin Siddique was working on his post-doctoral research at the Paris University, he had the opportunity to meet with the members of ‘The Paris Group’ where he had led the discussions on unsolved problems in physics and in mathematics. During his stay in Great Britain, he studied Quantum mechanics and published scientific papers at the Cavendish Laboratory.

In 1931, Raziuddin Siddiqui returned to Hyderabad, British Indian Empire, and joined Osmania University, Hyderabad, as an Associate Professor of Mathematics. During 1948–49, he served as Vice-Chancellor of Osmania University, appointed by the Governor.



In 1950, at the request of the Government of Pakistan, Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui, along with his family migrated to Karachi. In Karachi, he joined the Karachi University's teaching faculty and taught as Professor of Applied Mathematics. In 1953, he was simultaneously appointed to the post of Vice-Chancellor of the University of Sindh and the University of Peshawar. Dr. Siddiqui founded the first mathematical society in Pakistan in 1952 by the name of ‘All Pakistan Mathematics Association’ (now known as Pakistan Mathematical Society), and remained its President until 1972. In 1956, Siddiqui helped establish the nuclear power and its expansion in the country by first joining the newly established Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) and then establishing the first science directorate on Mathematical physics.

In 1964, he moved to Islamabad where he joined Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. There he began his academic research in theoretical physics. In 1965, with the establishment of Quaid-e-Azam University (QAU), Dr. Siddiqui was appointed as its first Vice-Chancellor by the then Foreign Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. He was one of the first professors of Physics at the Quaid-e-Azam University where he also served as the Chairman of the Physics Department. He continued his tenure until 1972, when he re-joined the PAEC at the request of Prime Minister Bhutto.

During the 1960s, he helped convince President Field Marshal Ayub Khan to make a proposed university a research institution. He, at first, established ‘Institute of Physics’ at the QAU, and invited Professor Riazuddin to be its first director and the Dean of the Faculty. Then, Professor Riazuddin, with the help of his mentor Dr. Abdus Salam, convinced the then PAEC chairman Dr. Ishrat Hussain Usmani to send all the theoreticians to Institute of Physics to form a physics group. This established the ‘Theoretical Physics Group’ (TPG), which later designed the nuclear weapons for the country.

With the establishment of TPG, Raziuddin Siddiqui began to work with Dr. Abdus Salam, and on his advice began the research in Theoretical Physics at the PAEC. In 1970, he established the Mathematical Physics Group at the PAEC, where he led academic research in advanced mathematics. He also delegated mathematicians to PAEC to specialise in their fields at the MPG Division of PAEC.

After the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui joined the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) at the request of Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Dr. Siddiqui was the first full-time Technical Member of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and was responsible for the preparation of its charter.

During the 1970s, Dr. Siddiqui worked on problems in theoretical physics with Pakistani theoretical physicists in the integrated atomic bomb project. Previously, he had worked in Europe, including carrying out nuclear research in the British nuclear program, and the French atomic program. At the PAEC, he became a mentor of some of the country's academic scientists. At PAEC, he was the director of the Mathematical Physics Group (MPG) and was tasked with performing mathematical calculations involved in fission and supercomputing. While both MPG and Theoretical Physics Group (TPG) had reported directly to Abdus Salam, Siddiqui co-ordinated each meeting with the scientists of TPG and mathematicians of the MPG. At the PAEC, he directed the mathematical research directly involving the general relativity, and helped establish the quantum computers laboratories at the PAEC.

Since theoretical physics plays a major role in identifying the parameters of nuclear physics, Dr. Siddiqui started the work on special relativity's complex applications, the ‘Relativity of simultaneity’. His Mathematical Physics Group undertook the research and performed calculations on ‘Relativity of simultaneity’ during the process of weapon detonation, where multiple explosive energy rays are bound to release in the same isolate and close medium at the same time interval.

After his work at the PAEC, Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui again joined Quaid-e-Azam University's Physics Faculty. As professor of Physics, he continued his research at the Institute of Physics, QAU. He helped develop the higher education sector, and placed mainframe policies in the institution. Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui Memorial Library is named after Dr. Muhammad Raziuddin Siddiqui at the Quaid-i-Azam University.

Dr. Siddiqui remained in Islamabad, and had associated himself with Quaid-e-Azam University. In 1990, he was made Professor Emeritus of Physics and Mathematics there. He died on 8 January 1998, at the age of 90. His biography was written by scientists who had worked with him. In 1960, due to his efforts to expand education, he was awarded the third-highest civilian award of Pakistan, Sitara-i-Imtiaz, from the then-President of Pakistan, Field Marshal Ayub Khan.

In 1981, he was awarded the second highest civilian award, Hilal-i-Imtiaz, from President General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq due to his efforts in Pakistan's atomic programme, and popularising science in Pakistan. In May 1998, the Government of Pakistan awarded him the highest civilian award, Nishan-i-Imtiaz posthumously by the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif when Pakistan conducted its first successful nuclear tests. Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui Memorial Library is named after Dr. Muhammad Raziuddin Siddiqui at the Quaid-i-Azam University.

His eldest daughter, Dr. Shirin Tahir-Kheli, is a former Special Assistant to the President of the United States of America, and Senior Adviser for women's empowerment.
 
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Bro Balochistan is bigger than Punjab.
Dude, All major cities need to be made into Federal Cities. Karachi, Lahore, Pindi make them all federal cities. Cut provinces down especially Punjab. Punjab needs to be broken into at least 2 at most 3-4.

This thread makes no sense.
There are Punjabis, Pashtoon, Sindhis, Balochis, Bengalis that migrated over from India to their respective areas are they not migrants? My family came from Gurdaspur which was a Muslim majority region but still given to India.. Anyways, I am technically muhjar too. What about all the muhjars that were butchered by Hindus and Sikh just for migrating over and being Muslim. Many families here were affected by partition but their sacrifice was part of the creation of Pakistan and should never be underestimated.

To count individuals is useless anyways. There are many people we never heard of that contributed to the creation of Pakistan. Every death and every Pisa is important. That is what people don't understand today. It is not about being an individual and our strength is in unity. If there is a problem you need to bring it to the forefront peacefully and work through internal channels. Not sit in the lap of the enemy as the MQM has admitted.

Today's MQM is PTM and they are going about it the wrong way. If there are some issues with the Pashto people then we should not shit on other ethnicities. That is the whole idea of the civilian government. Everyone in Pakistan wants to be the chief but no one wants to be the indian and then we count our contributions... Like the alternative would have been better.
 
Dost, Punjab is too large in terms of the public and is mismanaged. It needs to be broken into smaller more manageable pieces. It would be better for the health of Pakistan and Punjabis overall.

Politics is not about the land Area.. its about population. At least make Bahawalpur with multan as a hub.
Sir it took 2 hours to clean this thread please stick to topic There is an other thread for this discussion kindly take it there it is a humble request.
 
Sir it took 2 hours to clean this thread please stick to topic There is an other thread for this discussion kindly take it there it is a humble request.

You got it, boss. Thought it was a conversation and not a list lol but I've said my piece.
 
There were no urdu speakers in Punjab shortly after independence. Refugees in Punjab came from Eastern Punjab and surrounding areas and were mostly punjabi speaking. Those were mainly butchered by Sikhs and punjabi hindus. You may you read about trains full of dead bodies coming at Lahore station but at Karachi station? I think not. Those who reached Karachi were from Lucknow thus gathering of urdu speaking made it a centre of urdu speaking population. Even those who reached Lahore station later migrated to Karachi.

You are wrong brother, there are many Urdu speakers in Lahore that I know of personally. Many of them have high positions and good jobs throughout the city, I am sure it is the same for other cities in Punjab.

The thing is that many have begun to speak Punjabi and are basically Punjabis now. You cannot distinguish them from those whose forefathers are from here.
 
Need to get out of this victim mentality. My maternal/paternal side moved in from UP to Lahore and were fortunate enough to have not got ripped to pieces as they landed in Wagha, the previous train was drenched in blood. Lost everything they had, lands, animals, belongings. Started anew, got some land, lost it somewhere down the road due to sheer bad luck but are still proud urdu speaking folks living in Lahore.

Proud Pakistani ban k jio! :pakistan:
 
Need to get out of this victim mentality. My maternal/paternal side moved in from UP to Lahore and were fortunate enough to have not got ripped to pieces as they landed in Wagha, the previous train was drenched in blood. Lost everything they had, lands, animals, belongings. Started anew, got some land, lost it somewhere down the road due to sheer bad luck but are still proud urdu speaking folks living in Lahore.

Proud Pakistani ban k jio! :pakistan:

Glad to have you brother, actually we consider you as one of us. You are the same like any of us. Punjab is not an ethnic group, but moreso a linguistic, cultural group.

There are many Urdu speaker origin people in Lahore and Faisalabad, but they identify as Punjabi now.

Actually the same should have happened in Sindh, I don't know why the rift was made between Urdu speaker and Sindhis. You should all be equal Sindhis to any other. Clearly Pakistan failed in this endeavor. We need to work harder to fix these issues.
 

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