Accession of Princely states- who started the trouble ??

[INDIC]

yes buddy, same link is given at the end of my opening post..what you have posted is the original source article.Pakistanis doesn't have any logical argument so they call it propaganda or cry foul

The same Pakistani article gives an impression that Pakistan was eying on a dozen of Hindu majority princely states and tried to discourage others to join India.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Good and informative article

BTW trying to take Kashmir forcefully was Pakistan's biggest mistake.

thanks. it's multiple articles and sources put together by me as a replay for Kashmir arguments made by Pakistani members..save it and use it and add new things and make it better.

 

[Sashan]

I think we have to look at the situation differently. Muslim League was given a mandate by majority muslims by voting them to victory in muslim dominated areas in the provincial/federal elections of 1945/46. This is what gave credibility for Muslim League to demand the partition of India by religion. Once half of the muslims stayed back and India represented a country without any official religion unlike Pakistan the partition by religion was null and void from India's perspective. India had the right then to annex whatever regions it saw fit to be part of India irrespective of what religious people were majority in those regions. The same argument holds good for Kashmir, Junagadh,Hyderabad(and later Goa and Pondicherry as well).

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

I think we have to look at the situation differently. Muslim League was given a mandate by majority muslims by voting them to victory in muslim dominated areas in the provincial/federal elections of 1945/46. This is what gave credibility for Muslim League to demand the partition of India by religion. Once half of the muslims stayed back and India represented a country without any official religion unlike Pakistan the partition by religion was null and void from India's perspective. India had the right then to annex whatever regions it saw fit to be part of India irrespective of what religious people were majority in those regions. The same argument holds good for Kashmir, Junagadh,Hyderabad(and later Goa and Pondicherry as well).

from legal Pov nothing except tho decision of rules matters..and Pakistan took the same line initially.

from Indian POV and practicaly geography, sustainability, peoples choice were considered.religion was also a big factor in each individuals decision making whether to join India or Pakistan.Pakistan being Islamic means a Hindu will never choose Pakistan if given a choice, India being multi cultural and multi religious means all Hindus and Muslims even though in small numbers will choose India if given a option.but in general the proposed idea was that where ever there is a dispute and rulers religion is different from the majority population then plebiscite was to be conducted.

 

[Mritunjaya]

There is no need to discuss kashmir with pakistan anymore. Since the govt. of kashmir signed the instrument of accession, Kashmir has legally become part of India.

There is no need for Indians in pdf to repeat the congress mistake (Nehru's mistake) in trying to justify kashmir for India.

To counter pakistani terrorism we need to scrap the Indus water treaty and bring them to their knees.

 

[INDIC]

I think we have to look at the situation differently. Muslim League was given a mandate by majority muslims by voting them to victory in muslim dominated areas in the provincial/federal elections of 1945/46. This is what gave credibility for Muslim League to demand the partition of India by religion. Once half of the muslims stayed back and India represented a country without any official religion unlike Pakistan the partition by religion was null and void from India's perspective. India had the right then to annex whatever regions it saw fit to be part of India irrespective of what religious people were majority in those regions. The same argument holds good for Kashmir, Junagadh,Hyderabad(and later Goa and Pondicherry as well).

Pakistan being a Muslim homeland created on a slogan of 'Muslim can't live with Hindus' too resorted to get Hindu majority princely states without territorial contiguity and as well as invasion to integrate princely. So, Pakistan's complains regarding accession of princely states with India don't have much weight.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

There is no need to discuss kashmir with pakistan anymore. Since the govt. of kashmir signed the instrument of accession, Kashmir has legally become part of India.

There is no need for Indians in pdf to repeat the congress mistake (Nehru's mistake) in trying to justify kashmir for India.

To counter pakistani terrorism we need to scrap the Indus water treaty and bring them to their knees.

that's a double edged sword, then we can't complain if China does the same.

 

[Mritunjaya]

that's a double edged sword, then we can't complain if China does the same.

China does what ? .............we have no water treaty with them and they have refused to have one with us.

There is a difference between wishful thinking and reality.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

China does what ? .............we have no water treaty with them and they have refused to have one with us.

There is a difference between wishful thinking and reality.

I know there is no water treaty, but there is international laws and ethics. if India but down entire water then China can show it as an e excuse and do the same, we lose the moral right to complain in international forums, Pakistan will screw us in international forums because we have violated a water treaty also.

 

[Mritunjaya]

I know there is no water treaty, but there is international laws and ethics. if India but down entire water then China can show it as an e excuse and do the same, we lose the moral right to complain in international forums, Pakistan will screw us in international forums because we have violated a water treaty also.

What kind of nonsense argument is this ?


How is scraping the indus water treaty = to consume entire water ? ....are you retarded ?

China is no weakling looking for "excuse" to take care of its self interest. Unlike India, Chinese have a pair of balls and a strong SPINE that helps them take decision in their best interest.

Moral right to complain ? .........what are you ? a 5 year old kid running to Mummy to 'Complain" about big bully china ? Pathetic.

"International community" is not a ethical or moral guardians ............they are vultures looking to prey on weak nations that come to them with 'complaints'. When will Indians grow beyond the caricature of spineless Nehru's.


How can pakistan screw us more than sending terrorists ? ....... what will you do ? send more dorssiors to 'international community' and cry like a baby ? .....complain to big daddy USA like MMS did ? Disgusting.


GROW UP, Find a pair of BALLS, try to find a Spine that is reasonably straight and stop crawling in fear off 'international community' and big bully 'China'.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

What kind of nonsense argument is this ?


How is scraping the indus water treaty = to consume entire water ? ....are you retarded ?

China is no weakling looking for "excuse" to take care of its self interest. Unlike India, Chinese have a pair of balls and a strong SPINE that helps them take decision in their best interest.

Moral right to complain ? .........what are you ? a 5 year old kid running to Mummy to 'Complain" about big bully china ? Pathetic.

"International community" is not a ethical or moral guardians ............they are vultures looking to prey on weak nations that come to them with 'complaints'. When will Indians grow beyond the caricature of spineless Nehru's.


How can pakistan screw us more than sending terrorists ? ....... what will you do ? send more dorssiors to 'international community' and cry like a baby ? .....complain to big daddy USA like MMS did ? Disgusting.


GROW UP, Find a pair of BALLS, try to find a Spine that is reasonably straight and stop crawling in fear off 'international community' and big bully 'China'.

You have no sense of reality and jumps up and down like a moron..talks big words without realising the implications.
without cutting down the water significantly what purpose will it serve in real world ? other than a symbolic threat ?
There are international laws for up stream/down stream nations you can't just do whatever you want..then complain when somebody else dose the same, there is no logical argument left to make..is what I mean by morality.
if India wants to control Pakistan then it needs to pump up it's military strength, secure the boundary with modern wires and monitoring systems,scrap article 370(?) and flood Kashmir with Indians with other parts of India.

 

[Mritunjaya]

You have no sense of reality and jumps up and down like a moron..talks big words without realising the implications.
without cutting down the water significantly what purpose will it serve in real world ? other than a symbolic threat ?
There are international laws for up stream/down stream nations you can't just do whatever you want..then complain when somebody else dose the same, there is no logical argument left to make..is what I mean by morality.
if India wants to control Pakistan then it needs to pump up it's military strength, secure the boundary with modern wires and monitoring systems,scrap article 370(?) and flood Kashmir with Indians with other parts of India.

Someone talking about 'moral right to complain' is now talking about Reality ?


The purpose of scraping the Indus water treaty is to negotiate a new one, one in which enough water from the Indus is also allocated to Kashmir state and that too ONLY when pakistan provides evidence that all terror infrastructure is dismantled.

Else like all other 'international law' that is against terrorism, laws for water sharing can also take a hike. That is how you do business.

Rather than do all that drama of spending more money on Defense, and finding half a million people to push in Kashmir and than actually paying for their resettlement, its much more cheaper and effective to scrap the water treaty. Do you have any concept of 'path of least resistance' ? ...do you understand ROI ? ..... cost of doing business ? Feel free to read up and understand these basic principles used in daily real life.

 

[Mritunjaya]

Well sorry for my outburst. I am sick of Indians taking like a second Nehru. Congress has damaged our psyche to such an extend that our thinking is clouded with Fear. Fear of Hindutva, Fear of china, Fear of USA, even fear of pesky pakistan........ .......its horrible.

In any case if you really support scrapping Article 370 then support BJP. BJP has that in their agenda from day-1.