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Abu Jundal: It’s not Pakistan that is in denial, it’s us


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The other day, the prime-time anchors on a TV show went on and on about how Pakistan was in “denial” about the role played by state actors in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks. Since the purpose of TV shows these days seem to be about building righteous indignation about some cause or the other, nothing much emerged from it.

However, there is need to discuss who is in a state of denial, Pakistan or India. We all know what the Pakistani state is all about, so if we still have not understood what they are up to, and why they won’t acknowledge the role of Abu Jundal (or Zabiuddin Ansari) in directing the 26/11 terrorists, we are in a state of denial.


The prime purpose of the Pakistani state is to oversee India’s failure as a state. Which is why when we brandish Abu Jundal’s dossiers, they smirk. They will toss it into a dustbin and ask us “what evidence?” When we sent them the dossier on Hafiz Saeed, the Pakistani foreign secretary in February 2010 called it mere “literature.”

We should never be in denial of this reality till Pakistan itself, through an internal process of rediscovering their relatedness to us, shed their anti-Indian identity.


But we have been consistently foolish in presuming that since we are so alike, they will be thinking like we do: let bygones be bygones. This has been the problem with Indians. :agree:

We have very short memories, we have very short-time horizons. We have no long-term strategic vision on how to deal with Pakistan beyond hoping that they will pipe down and become peaceful neighbours.

It’s never happened.

And it’s not going to happen in our lifetimes even with all the candle-light vigils on Wagah and Aman ki Aasha programmes organised by the media. Pakistanis will hug and sing with us, and then go back to hating us.


For us, 1948, 1965, 1971, and 1999 are just some dates involving past conflicts. Barring some armymen, no one in the present generation even remembers those wars. We don’t even have the grace to remember the sacrifices of our heroes of those times – even the one in Kargil, which is almost recent memory.:agree:

For Pakistan – or at least its army and the mullah constituency – these dates mean something else beyond military failure.

These dates are imprinted into their psyches; they are signs of repeated humiliation – humiliation they brought on themselves by aggressive behaviour, but humiliation nevertheless.

It thus needs avenging even if it means destroying itself in the process. This is why even when they are talking to us, they are constantly trying to damage us.


This is why even when Vajpayee was talking peace in Lahore, Musharraf was plotting Kargil. When India offered to help America fight terror post-26/11, the Pakistanis rushed in faster just so they could prevent an India-US tie-up. They didn’t help the US tackle terror but just wanted to prevent us from doing so. Even as they tasted defeat in Kargil, they plotted the Parliament attack. When things were on the mend, they planned 26/11.

Pakistan’s problem is that barring religion, there is little to differentiate Pakistanis from Indians. Thus, having created a state based on religion, they defined themselves as “Not India” and this meant they had to deny who they actually were: Indians with a different religious orientation.

Thus, while Muslims in India, despite their poverty, have no reason to deny their Indianness, :angel: the Pakistanis have done that to themselves – and they hate it.


This is why when Jinnah got his Pakistan in 1947, he called it a moth-eaten Pakistan. He would have been happier ruling India. Pakistan was merely a power gambit in his fight with Nehru and Gandhi – but he got what he wanted and didn’t live to rue it. He felt cheated when India was automatically considered the prime inheritor of British India – not Pakistan.

Even today, Pakistanis are unhappy that we are called India, even though they were the ones to choose the idea of Pakistan and wanted to be unIndian in every way.

For Pakistan, the destruction or failure of India is more important that the success of the idea of Pakistan – at least in the generations that are still connected to 1947.

If you don’t think so, read this article by Aatish Taseer, son of slain Pakistani Punjab Governor Salman Taseer. It is titled “Why my father hated India.”


Taseer writes:

“In the absence of a true national identity, Pakistan defined itself by its opposition to India….Had this assertion of national identity meant the casting out of something alien or foreign in favour of an organic or homegrown identity, it might have had an empowering effect.

What made it self-wounding, even nihilistic, was that Pakistan, by asserting a new Arabised Islamic identity, rejected its own local and regional culture. In trying to turn its back on its shared past with India, Pakistan turned its back on itself.”


The hatred of India clearly comes from having to deny your own identity. As Taseer writes, “India was just across the border, and it was still its composite, pluralistic self, a place where nearly as many Muslims lived as in Pakistan. It was a daily reminder of the past that Pakistan had tried to erase.”

And let’s remember: Pakistan was an idea supported more by Muslims in places where they were in a minority (in what is now India), and less by Muslims in Muslim-majority areas (in what is now Pakistan). For Pakistan, being Muslim means being against India. This is why they are busy trying to recruit the Abu Jundals of the world to fight India in India.

So, let’s forget Abu Jundal. It may make for hot TV debates, it may serve to show the world we are the good guys and Pakistanis the terror-supporters. But nothing good will ever come of it.

Abu Jundal is a distraction, and we should not be in denial of this fact. We need a long-term plan to protect ourselves from Pakistan’s self-destructive tendencies, and should pray for the day when young Pakistanis themselves come to realise what they are doing to themselves.


A country which is busy denying its past and trying to erase its history is unlikely to help us with Abu Jundal. Or Hafiz Saeed. Or anything. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk. We always should.

But Pakistan will shed its enmity only at a time of its own choosing. It could take a few generations.


Abu Jundal: It’s not Pakistan that is in denial, it’s us | Firstpost
 
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Yes it were always we the indians who were in denials.
1.We always denied that indian muslims cant be radicalised .Well examples are in front of us from dawood ibrahim to IM's bhaktal brothers to abu jundal.
2.Indian always lived in denial that incidents like b kashmir,babri masjid ,gujarat riots will not have any repercussion.result is in front of us from serial blasts to 26/11.

Name of the game is im my child is attacked or repressed as protective natural motherly instinct i'll seek revenge .
 
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Hope situation will change for better untill then If someone cant accept the realities and want to live in stone age make them busy in their cave ..
 
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when we punjabis from both sides living side by side killed each other with impunity there is no point for indians to think pakistanis can stop hating india. we spared maler kotla in 1947 because they helped our guru ji once. and now if you go to maler kotla you will feel like you are in pakistan.
 
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Yes it were always we the indians who were in denials.
1.We always denied that indian muslims cant be radicalised .Well examples are in front of us from dawood ibrahim to IM's bhaktal brothers to abu jundal.
2.Indian always lived in denial that incidents like b kashmir,babri masjid ,gujarat riots will not have any repercussion.result is in front of us from serial blasts to 26/11.

Name of the game is im my child is attacked or repressed as protective natural motherly instinct i'll seek revenge .

There are traitors in every nation..that does not define a community!!
Just take your country, Pakistan's example, there literally a standing army of thousands of your own countrymen, who terrorize and blow you up every other day.
..and if killing 160 people in Mumbai was repercussion of Gujarat riots..You guys must have done somethings dastardly to your people to have 35000 dead from home grown terror attacks??!!
 
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Ahhh...the more they try to understand us the more they spin these tales !

They talk about the 'Two Nation Theory' without understand what it was ? Most of the time their comprehension doesn't go beyond, to quote a resident Indian on PDF, 'We don't want to live with evil Yindoos' !

They talk about us having an Identity crisis and all claiming descent from 'Arabs and Central Asians' without ever having stepped on Pakistani soil and having seen the vibrancy of our cultures and the pride that each ethnicity takes in it ! Heck they even say that we're suffering from an 'Identity crisis' because we're all claiming Arab lineage and then they have the intellect to mention, in the same sentence, words like 'Pukhtoonistan', 'Sindhu Desh' and 'Azad Balochistan' !

They talk of how Jinnah engaged in a power-game with Nehru and Gandhi whilst knowing full well that he sacrificed his love, his daughter's love, his political career as a Leader of the Congress, his career as a leading barrister in Bombay, his health and finally his life, for Pakistan ! The same man who knew that he was suffering from TB and still continued on with his 'Ambitions' despite his obsession with 'Pakistan' draining every last ounce of strength from his emaciated body !

They talk of how we live off 'Hatred for India' when they've probably written more articles demonizing Pakistan in the last decade then we've over the course of our entire existence.

They talk of us justifying our existence by vilifying India when 'Anti-Indianism' doesn't even sell as a political stance in Pakistan and hasn't for the past decade and a half that I've been politically consciousness enough to follow !

Ahhhh...they talk but understand nothing ! They accuse but never introspect ! They assert but never prove !
 
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I absolutely agree. We should just treat Pakistan for what it is - an enemy state that deserves to be fought in every sphere and ensure its absolute breakup till it can no longer be a threat.

That's what US did to USSR, and that's what we need to do to Pakistan. Drag them in to a consistent state of war preparedness, make them overspend on military and collapse due to economic implosion.

World will not be an observer at that point. They will step in to ensure the Nukes don't fall in to wrong hands. They'll do it by creating 3-4 separate nations out of Pakistan, clean up the nukes. worst case scenario, let the nukes be part of one of the new nations created (perhaps Punjab).

We need to impress upon the Americans not to keep funding the war machine of Pakistan. Without their Aid/Trade & international support, Pakistan will be reduced to a Chinese vassal like North korea for a couple of decades, and then it'll collapse.
 
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The article has mentioned a very deep point not many in India were willing to acknowledge. After all these years if any Indian believes Pakistan is going to support us against terrorism , he is living in a fool's paradise .We should quit expecting anything from Pakistan and work with friendly countries like US , Afghans, Israel and Saudis who are serious about fighting and eliminating global terror.
 
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We have recieved all bitter fruits so far ..expecting the tree will give sweeter fruits this season is foolishness ..
 
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Analyzing the Mumbai Attacks: Should we just believe India?

The last thing the Indian and Pakistani governments can be blamed for is trusting each other. However these days Pakistan's government can also be blamed for not having the spine to defend National Interest.

Last month 10 terrorists held the city of Mumbai hostage for over 60 hours massacring over 170 people. Immediately after the attack several leaders of Hindu terrorist outfits such as the VHP, Shiv Sena and RSS stated that war with Pakistan is the only solution. The RSS chief even suggested all out nuclear war to cleanse the World of “Evil Pakistan”.

While this warmongering and the usual blame game continued the media in Pakistan too fell to the claims of India and accepted that Pakistan was to blame for the incident. However we seem to be forgetting that Lashkar E Toiba was also blamed for the Samjhauta Express attacks which were later known to have been conducted by Hindu Terrorists.

Now you may call me a conspiracy theorist but the last thing I believe in doing is accepting the blame for something that actually did not happen from our territory. Here I will point out the things that go against the Indian medias version of events. I will not form an opinion because I admit I do not know what happened. But I will point out that there are severe issues with the account of things as it is now.

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?

2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi, their speaking style, their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.

3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the Samjhauta attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic Hindu websites stated he was a "slave of Muslims."

4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of her husband?

5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat. He had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and were the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?

6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.

7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.

8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD has over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the old blame game. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.

9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that fanatic Hindus wear? The band he was wearing is a band worn by RSS terrorists.

10 Lashker E Toiba and ISI have been blamed before in the Samjhauta Express and Malegaon attacks as well & it was later proven that Purohit was actually involved for both. Over 50 Pakistanis died in the same attack and this was also blamed on the Lashker E Toiba at first. So how credible is India's version of events and what is being hidden this time? I believe this point should not be ignored at all costs.

11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?

12 Many Indian intellectuals and think-tanks have raised the issue of the falsity of Indian governments claims and their disapproval of finger pointing saying Hindu fanatics in India may have committed the attack. One of these was AR Antulay Minority Affairs Minister whose comments are the biggest blow to the Indian analysis and he said Karkare has been killed by Hindu fanatics and it should be probed.

13 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. The RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)

14 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans, completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.

15 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani?

16 Several Police Officers have broken the silence and said that it was standard procedure to blame Pakistan for terrorist attacks. A Muslim Police Officer even stated that he was not sure that Ajmal Amir Qasab was a Pakistani.

17 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi via sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all. If I know something I know very well India's navy is much more powerful than Pakistan's and ruined ours in the 1971 war. I would not expect negligence of the Indian Navy.

18 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of several thousand Muslim civilians in cold blood in Gujarat even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?

19 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.

20 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.

21 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?

22 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation, passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?

23 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

24 India brought the controversial Prevention of Terrorism Act back (It had been repealed in 2004 when the Congress came to power) after the attack which allowed any person to be arrested on the charge of fomenting terrorism without adequate proof. It was quite convenient that the act was brought up again. The act gives major powers to the agencies.

25 The Malegaon blasts case was forgotten where Sadhvi Pragya and Colonel Purohit were said to have taken part in the blasts. It pushed both the cases to the sidelines.

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^we only wrote about your deeds .. Which are endless ..not our mistake
 
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There are traitors in every nation..that does not define a community!!
Just take your country, Pakistan's example, there literally a standing army of thousands of your own countrymen, who terrorize and blow you up every other day.
..and if killing 160 people in Mumbai was repercussion of Gujarat riots..You guys must have done somethings dastardly to your people to have 35000 dead from home grown terror attacks??!!
Are you confused or acting dumb????
 
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Yes it were always we the indians who were in denials.
1.We always denied that indian muslims cant be radicalised .Well examples are in front of us from dawood ibrahim to IM's bhaktal brothers to abu jundal.
2.Indian always lived in denial that incidents like b kashmir,babri masjid ,gujarat riots will not have any repercussion.result is in front of us from serial blasts to 26/11.

Name of the game is im my child is attacked or repressed as protective natural motherly instinct i'll seek revenge .

1. Your post accepts that these are radicalized means u accepts that their cause is fake its just they are trained to hate.

2. Who radicalized them?? Ur posts suggests its a foreign source.

3. There can be few rotten apples anywhere but we have one of the the best Muslims in the world.
 
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