Abhinav Bharat, a base of terrorism

[Windjammer]

Well the attacks were carried out on Indian soil. The Indian government has to take a stand on who they believe carried it out. That's how things normally work in cases of terrorist attacks.

How ironic if not bloody scandalous, the Indians apparently had phone numbers of Mumbai attackers inside Pakistan, yet the train massacre, which happened on their own soil, the culprits have evaporated into thin air.

 

[Old School]

The organizational structure of the Abhinav Bharat is not very clear. Many small groups conduct activities under the banner of Abhinav Bharat. They are certainly not a political aspirant. We better stop giving them the attention which they are actively seeking.

 

[ARCHON]

How ironic if not bloody scandalous, the Indians apparently had phone numbers of Mumbai attackers inside Pakistan, yet the train massacre, which happened on their own soil, the culprits have evaporated into thin air.

Apparently you haven't heard that India like developed countries has the ability to trace phones.

 

[ARCHON]

The organizational structure of the Abhinav Bharat is not very clear. Many small groups conduct activities under the banner of Abhinav Bharat. They are certainly not a political aspirant. We better stop giving them the attention which they are actively seeking.

NOoooooo.. dont do that. i came to know about this name only yesterday. Let it get all the attention in Pakistan since nobody is aware of it in India.

 

[Windjammer]

Apparently you haven't heard that India like developed countries has the ability to trace phones.

There is no big deal in tracing phone numbers, but apparently you missed how your media was portraying all this.

 

[notsuperstitious]

There is no big deal in tracing phone numbers, but apparently you missed how your media was portraying all this.

Well Indian media was actually incorrectly blaming Purohit for this, even after the ATS clarified that they had not charged him in the case.

Did Pakistani media carry the news of Arif Qasmani's sanctions in the UN and naming of Samjhauta in that regard?

 

[Old School]

NOoooooo.. dont do that. i came to know about this name only yesterday. Let it get all the attention in Pakistan since nobody is aware of it in India.

I agree. We Pakistanis are far behind in strategic way of thinking. Many of us do know how to think and act strategically but those good works get undone by the rest of the fools.

 

[Windjammer]

Well Indian media was actually incorrectly blaming Purohit for this, even after the ATS clarified that they had not charged him in the case.

Did Pakistani media carry the news of Arif Qasmani's sanctions in the UN and naming of Samjhauta in that regard?

The name, Colonel Purohit was humming on all the air waves, there is no smoke without fire, as for Arif Qasmani, i am hearing of him from your posts.
On the sideline, let me ask you, did the GOI, at anytime brought any culprits to justice, who were behind the massacre of others than Hindus.

 

[ARCHON]

There is no big deal in tracing phone numbers, but apparently you missed how your media was portraying all this.

Its ok if i missed it,. happy that u didn't miss the Indian media..

 

[Windjammer]

Its ok if i missed it,. happy that u didn't miss the Indian media..

There is no sarcasm there , their mobiles were being shown with bold numericals, obvious for all to be amused.

 

[ARCHON]

There is no sarcasm there , their mobiles were being shown with bold numericals, obvious for all to be amused.

Since you were so into it , it would have been better if you had made a call to those numbers.

 

[chachachoudhary]

Blatant lies being propagated in a foolish way.

I think the author of this crap is overwhelmingly frustrated being a citizen of Pakistan and being belonging to a generation that is witnessing the worst nightmare a Pakistani can have, that is seeing Pakistan disintegrating and that too not at the hands of its sworn enemy, but the very elements their rulers and scholars alike so preciously nurtured with the hope of using them against the enemies of Pakistan. I can understand the pain and frustration of living in a country, which has been declared by the world in unison as an Epicenter of Global Terrorism with over 99% terrorist acts being committed on the face of this earth having some or the other connections, direct or indirect, to the state of Pakistan or “non-state actors” inside Pakistan, be it USA, India, Europe, Russia, and even People's Republic of China. The situation in Pakistan is so grim that it is threatening the people of Pakistan with a painful consequence of getting socially, culturally, and economically isolated from the international community. This is obvious with majority of countries tightening and double-checking the entry procedures of anything “Pakistan” through their ports. This fear of international isolation is tremendous among the young generation of Pakistan who unlike the previous generations is restless and wants to do things that their yester-generation would not have dreamt of doing.

The images of people getting blown up to pieces, burning buildings, and citizens running helter-skelter on the streets of Pakistan being beamed day in and day out on news channels across the globe have done an immense damage to the overall image of Pakistan in the eyes of common citizens of the international community and the generation of expatriate Pakistanis or immigrant Pakistanis or Non-resident Pakistanis who are exposed to and are the actual recipients of this not-so-welcome gaze of the international community, especially western population, must be feeling the maximum heat and are the ones who are taking the maximum brunt of Pakistan's pathetic image of an utterly lawless, chaotic state where the life of a common citizen is less valuable than a household pet in western society. Sandwiched between the all-pervasive infestation by the religious hardliners on one side and inept and corrupt administration on the other, ordinary citizen of Pakistan is desperately trying to prove to the rest of the world that he or she is also a "Victim" and not the "perpetrator." A part of this desperate attempt to salvage this sagging image is drawing parallels to the similar events, elements, personalities, and organizations in other societies, which may not have remotest relevance to the people of Pakistan. So, drawing parallels to the fringe organizations like Abhinav Bharat or Sanatan Sanstha, which are thus far unknown to even the people in most part of India, to the home-grown, but globally spread terrorist organizations like Taliban and LET, is a part of this desperate, but sinister plot being carefully laid out by the top “players” and equally enthusiastically supported by all and sundry bloggers, journalists, and self-crowned think tanks across the Pakistani media landscape.

However, these propagators of conspiracy theories are increasingly finding it difficult to find any serious buyers as far as attempt to draw the parallels between global Islamic jihadists and little known local Hindu extremists because even a layman with an average knowledge walking on the streets of Europe, America and even in Pakistan is least aware, leave alone feel threatened, by these so called Hindu terrorists. No world body of legit including UN or Interpol has any formal complaint or notice against any acts attributed to any of these Hindu organizations, including the ill-famous “Samjhauta Express” bombing.

In light of the above-mentioned facts, these conspiracy theorists themselves are becoming laughingstocks and utterly failing in their repeated attempts to project India in poor light and undermine the achievements by India in the eyes of international community.

I hope the better understanding dawns sooner upon the so-called intellectuals in Pakistan.

 

[secularguy]

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[Windjammer]

Blatant lies being propagated in a foolish way.

I think the author of this crap is overwhelmingly frustrated being a citizen of Pakistan and being belonging to a generation that is witnessing the worst nightmare a Pakistani can have, that is seeing Pakistan disintegrating and that too not at the hands of its sworn enemy, but the very elements their rulers and scholars alike so preciously nurtured with the hope of using them against the enemies of Pakistan. I can understand the pain and frustration of living in a country, which has been declared by the world in unison as an Epicenter of Global Terrorism with over 99% terrorist acts being committed on the face of this earth having some or the other connections, direct or indirect, to the state of Pakistan or “non-state actors” inside Pakistan, be it USA, India, Europe, Russia, and even People's Republic of China. The situation in Pakistan is so grim that it is threatening the people of Pakistan with a painful consequence of getting socially, culturally, and economically isolated from the international community. This is obvious with majority of countries tightening and double-checking the entry procedures of anything “Pakistan” through their ports. This fear of international isolation is tremendous among the young generation of Pakistan who unlike the previous generations is restless and wants to do things that their yester-generation would not have dreamt of doing.

The images of people getting blown up to pieces, burning buildings, and citizens running helter-skelter on the streets of Pakistan being beamed day in and day out on news channels across the globe have done an immense damage to the overall image of Pakistan in the eyes of common citizens of the international community and the generation of expatriate Pakistanis or immigrant Pakistanis or Non-resident Pakistanis who are exposed to and are the actual recipients of this not-so-welcome gaze of the international community, especially western population, must be feeling the maximum heat and are the ones who are taking the maximum brunt of Pakistan's pathetic image of an utterly lawless, chaotic state where the life of a common citizen is less valuable than a household pet in western society. Sandwiched between the all-pervasive infestation by the religious hardliners on one side and inept and corrupt administration on the other, ordinary citizen of Pakistan is desperately trying to prove to the rest of the world that he or she is also a "Victim" and not the "perpetrator." A part of this desperate attempt to salvage this sagging image is drawing parallels to the similar events, elements, personalities, and organizations in other societies, which may not have remotest relevance to the people of Pakistan. So, drawing parallels to the fringe organizations like Abhinav Bharat or Sanatan Sanstha, which are thus far unknown to even the people in most part of India, to the home-grown, but globally spread terrorist organizations like Taliban and LET, is a part of this desperate, but sinister plot being carefully laid out by the top “players” and equally enthusiastically supported by all and sundry bloggers, journalists, and self-crowned think tanks across the Pakistani media landscape.

However, these propagators of conspiracy theories are increasingly finding it difficult to find any serious buyers as far as attempt to draw the parallels between global Islamic jihadists and little known local Hindu extremists because even a layman with an average knowledge walking on the streets of Europe, America and even in Pakistan is least aware, leave alone feel threatened, by these so called Hindu terrorists. No world body of legit including UN or Interpol has any formal complaint or notice against any acts attributed to any of these Hindu organizations, including the ill-famous “Samjhauta Express” bombing.

In light of the above-mentioned facts, these conspiracy theorists themselves are becoming laughingstocks and utterly failing in their repeated attempts to project India in poor light and undermine the achievements by India in the eyes of international community.

I hope the better understanding dawns sooner upon the so-called intellectuals in Pakistan.

Albeit you have oozed your own desires and mentality, which incidentally without any link or back up holds no value and can be termed as mental masturbation of some wishful thinkers, what matters is when your own citizens out of hopelessness and deprivation cry out for help and expose your underbelly, we are indeed facing the menace of the terrorism and facing it head on, but when the citizens of a country posturing to be the land of tranquility and darling of the Western nomads end up destroying female Fetus and out of desperation commit suicide en-mass, albeit most are swept under shining banter, that's when the rot sets from within.
And since this rude awakening does come as a shock to any insane soul but those thriving in denial only indulge in a one horse race where they repeatedly seem to win over their own victory.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The name, Colonel Purohit was humming on all the air waves, there is no smoke without fire, as for Arif Qasmani, i am hearing of him from your posts.
On the sideline, let me ask you, did the GOI, at anytime brought any culprits to justice, who were behind the massacre of others than Hindus.

Yes no smoke, and purohit and his friends are in jail aren't they? and this org busted too... and without anyone else pursuading us to do it, we did it because we wanted to put these terrorists in jail. I have no love for these terrorists and if they can kill indians they can also kill pakistanis. But there is no evidence to show that these people are involved in samjhauta, so why do pakistanis keep telling the lie? To basically justify their own handling of the mumbai attacks, i think so.

Abt other cases of justice, i agree india's record is poor in giving justice to people. simple, its true, but there are indeed cases where justice has been served. so may cases in gujarat and kandhamal violence have been heard and concluded in courts - but you will never hear abt it, just the way you'd never heard about arif qasmani - the alleged pakistani killer of 60 pakistanis at panipat.

Isn't there food for thought for both of us?