Abe praised Class-A war criminals for being 'foundation' of Japan's prosperity

[Viet]

Many of these men died for Japan, the ultimate sacrifice for any nation.

As a martial nation that emphasizes honor for those who commit the supreme sacrifice, this is a cultural trait that defines Japan. Japanese also revere their ancestors, for the sake of duty and filial piety.

hmmmm...I don´t think chinese will be amused of it. brace for the storm coming to you.

 

[JSCh]

You know my position in this, I have already posted my views. No need to repeat like a broken record.

Good, that is for the whole wide world to see.
And understand why Chinese and S.Korean and the many victims of WWII Japan is angry.

 

[Grand Historian]

The Nazis were responsible for the near extermination of the European Jewish population. In Poland alone, they practically wiped out the Polish Jewish population, which once was 30% of the population. Hitler and Himmler's policy to genocide an entire religious group is in its own right disgusting and deplorable. This does not include the genocide of the Gypsy population as well.

There was no such policy committed by the Empire of Japan. Nor was that kind of deep religious hatred existed amongst Japanese at the time or even during this time. The empowerment of the anti-semitism in Germany was due to the culture of scapegoating of the Jews by many Europeans nationalities. European history is testament to such , i may remind the examples of Jewish pogroms conducted in Russia, in Prussia. Or even cite the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity during the Spanish Inquisition et al. There was no such phenomena like this in Japan or in the Japanese Empire.

Japan's decision to expand in Asia was purely political vis-a-vis the military government.

There was no systematic goal to kill the Chinese yet we see war crimes perpetrated everywhere by the IJA,the Japanese conducted the same if not more brutality than the Germans could ever muster.

However there were efforts to crush resistance ie Three Alls that resulted in massive amounts of civilian death.

 

[Viet]

Dude,

SS was never part of Wehrmacht.

not the SS, but the Waffen SS was part of the Wehrmacht, the german armed forces.

 

[Aepsilons]

There will be differences in opinion. My grandfather proudly served in the Imperial Navy, as did my grand uncles. I have visited Yasukuni in deep reverence of their memory. And I will continue to visit Yasukuni to honor their memory and their sacrifices in the War. Nothing will stop me from doing that. Least of all the opinions of foreign citizens.

hmmmm...I don´t think chinese will be amused of it. brace for the storm coming to you.

 

[Grand Historian]

No one is white washing anything. The Japanese Government has, through plenty of occasions through many representatives, conveyed its sincere apologies regarding war atrocities. I think there comes a point in time when continual apology must stop. Japan does not contest the actions conducted in the war. We are also a nation that values the sacrifices of our soldiers , who died in the defense of Japan. What we deem as sincere remembrance and gratefulness for their supreme sacrifice, some would deem as "glorification".

Atrocities were committed in both sides of the war. Why, even before the Imperial Army decided to invade China, the Chinese National Forces of Jiang Jieshi were already decimating and genociding those who were deemed 'communists'. From 1928 to 1936, an estimated 2+ million Chinese died from the civil war; and another some 6-7 million died due to the civil war the erupted again in 1945-1949. In 1930, the Central Plains War in China saw one of the worst carnage committed by KMT forces on Chinese peasants. The crimes committed were far more brutal than what the Imperial Japanese Army committed in Nanjing.

One has to be comprehensive in the analysis of the entire situation.

Lets not waste time and get to the point,you seek to whitewash the IJA crimes by simply shifting the blame or accusing Chinese of being worse.

None of the apologies are sincere except for rare individuals such as Hatoyama,there is no comparison to the German's sincerity(banning of Holocaust revisionism,monuments to the people who suffered under the Nazi regime) while Japanese harbor a recalcitrant heart.(Existence of a Right Wing who blames the US for WW2,claims that Japanese were liberating Asia etc.)

Your soldiers didn't die for the defense of Japan they died for Japanese militarists dream of world domination,Japanese had no business in China and was the aggressor not the victim.

Again anti Chinese nationalists tirades grow tiring,every time I mention the IJA you blame the KMT or CCP for internal disputes which pale in comparison to IJA brutality.

There will be differences in opinion. My grandfather proudly served in the Imperial Navy, as did my grand uncles. I have visited Yasukuni in deep reverence of their memory. And I will continue to visit Yasukuni to honor their memory and their sacrifices in the War. Nothing will stop me from doing that. Least of all the opinions of foreign citizens.

The Yasukuni shrine is a loathsome relic of Japanese barbarianism,this is why Germany is viewed positively while Japan will be crippled by pride.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Yasukuni shrine is a loathsome relic of Japanese barbarianism,this is why Germany is viewed positively while Japan will be crippled by pride.

The Shrine honors all men who served Japan from beginning of Modern Japan till now. I could care less what you think , you are not Japanese or relative of those honorable men who fought and died for Japan.

 

[Grand Historian]

The Shrine honors all men who served Japan from beginning of Modern Japan till now. I could care less what you think , you are not Japanese or relative of those honorable men who fought and died for Japan.

The honorable rapists/murderers/thieves that died for Japanese imperialism.

It doesn't matter if I'm Japanese or not even a fool realizes that Japan wages a campaign of revisionism in an attempt to whitewash their ancestor's crimes.

Really all you do is parrot the Right Wing stance that Japanese is innocent and that murderers should be heaped fame and praise for their deeds.

 

[Aepsilons]

The honorable rapists/murderers/thieves that died for Japanese imperialism.

It doesn't matter if I'm Japanese or not even a fool realizes that Japan wages a campaign of revisionism in an attempt to whitewash their ancestor's crimes.

Really all you do is parrot the Right Wing stance that Japanese is innocent and that murderers should be heaped fame and praise for their deeds.

They were noble soldiers who fought and died for the Glory of Japan. They fought to defend the Japanese Empire against enemy forces. Their ultimate sacrifice shall never be forgotten by the nation, and we honor them. They were fathers, brothers, sons, grandfathers, uncles, grand uncles. In the circumstance of war, many things occur , and we honor their short lives, honor the life that they were deprived of. We Japanese humbly pay our respects for them and their memory. As we also pay respect for the allied war dead who also died in the war.

 

[Viet]

There will be differences in opinion. My grandfather proudly served in the Imperial Navy, as did my grand uncles. I have visited Yasukuni in deep reverence of their memory. And I will continue to visit Yasukuni to honor their memory and their sacrifices in the War. Nothing will stop me from doing that. Least of all the opinions of foreign citizens.

well, Japan is different. that is truely the case here. I just look up what you worship in the shrine, seeing war widows are remembered as well. that is good, I find. personally, I believe Japan should remove the souls of the war criminals from this shrine and put them into another one, separating them from the rest. In doing so, you can help to ease the tension to China and Korea.

 

[Grand Historian]

They were noble soldiers who fought and died for the Glory of Japan. They fought to defend the Japanese Empire against enemy forces. Their ultimate sacrifice shall never be forgotten by the nation, and we honor them. They were fathers, brothers, sons, grandfathers, uncles, grand uncles. In the circumstance of war, many things occur , and we honor their short lives, honor the life that they were deprived of. We Japanese humbly pay our respects for them and their memory. As we also pay respect for the allied war dead who also died in the war.

What a contrived response,so the death of innocents is a justified for the sake of glorious Japan?

Tell me what did they sacrifice themselves for,the Chinese,Koreans and SEAs didn't have plans to invade Japan nor did they have the capability to.

Is it noble to rape,maim,kill,steal, etc.?

Why aren't there Nanking massacre memorials,Unit 731 museums or comfort women statues in Japan?

Do the victims not deserve to be remembered?

 

[Aepsilons]

A procession in Kongobuji Temple,

 

[Viet]

Waffen SS use to fight with wehrmacht but had independent command under Himmler. It was not part of German army.

you are wrong. the waffen-ss was part of the armed forces. the troop was under command of Heinrich Himmler, but in combat they were under command of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht.

Waffen-SS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so stop going off-topic, otherwise you and me will get a warning from mod.

 

[AgentOrange]

Abe's verbal fellatio of these Japanese war criminals is probably the first time a Japanese politician has been truthful in decades. These so-called heroes/founders of modern Japan (and probably a lot of Japanese people who visit that war criminal shrine) share similar values with the likes of ISIS and other terrorists, from murder to sodomy and cannibalism. Abe even calls them 'martyrs.' Where have we heard that type of lingo before? No difference between "Allah Akbar" and "Banzai" when what follows is the savage murder of small children. In Japanese culture, being two-faced is considered a virtue but as time goes on, their facade of civilization is slipping no matter how they try to justify their war criminal worship with weasel words and twisted facts.

 

[mike2000]

These were minority cases conducted by the Imperial Army. They , of course, do not represent the entirety of the Imperial Army, or the overall Imperial Armed Forces.

My friend Nihonji, you know i admire your country alot. But as you know i like being honest. Im afraid i have to disagree with you. As i said before on another thread, Japan was unlucky(dont know if i should put it that way) that the U.S didnt denazify Japan like it did with Nazi Germany after the war. Even though i understand that it was because the U.S wanted Japans cooperaion/use it against the Soviet Union. The U.S allowed many Japanese war criminals go free(of which the architect/head of which was the Emperor), the most famous of which was those responsible for chemical experiments(Unit 731) on inmates/civilians in China, south Koreans/Russian POWs. This led to a situation were Those in power were the same people who were responsible for the war/crimes, so of course nobody will ever enact laws to condemn himself(except its forved unto him by someone more powerful).
Most(not all) Japanese officals/politicians have repented one bit for the crimes they committed, in fact the only regret they have is the fact that Japan lost the war. This in itself is troubling. Since what other Asian countries view of Japan world war II past is totally different from what Japans own view. This is one of the main reason i believe there will hardly ever be peace/reconciliation/unity in Asia, and the reason the U.S pivot in Asia will fail. since South Korea who is key will always have this issue/differences with Japan on this issue.
Japan shouldnt overplay its hands, just because our media/politicians keep quite/ignore Japans actions/current denials of war crimes doesnt means we dont know whats going on. we do, but as a friend/ally we still try and keep a low face/do back door deals to calm things down/talk to Japan. But Japan shouldnt take this as meaning they can keep on inflaming things and venerating war criminals. This will make even the most die heart Japan lover resent the country.I think Japan should try and enact laws like Germany which criminalizes anybody who denies war crimes/sexual slavery etc committed during the war and sincerly apologies to its neighbours withouht retracting a few months later. This shows insincerity to be honest. Japan cant be hold up behind for refusing to recognize/accept its past. Only by doing so will it show it has truly moved on and bring peace and reconciliation in Asia. Otherwise this issue will keep on dividing the region. Theres no shame in accepting ones mistakes/crimes.

Mao killed more Chinese than than Japanese!

Bro this is off topic, even if Mao did, it has nothing to do with Japan, Its still China's own internal affair. But when you invade another country then that isnt your internal affair anymore, it becomes the country you invaded affairs as well since the crimes you committed happened in their country. The two are completely different. Its like saying your former Muslim conquerors killed more Indians than we did when we colonised you. So lets stick to topic.