Abdali : a hero or villian for Pakistani punjabis?

[kushan]

Timur Shah Durrani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. Timur Shah died in 1794, long before RS conquered Lahore.

I messed up the names. It was zaman shah who appointed ranjeet singh governor of lahore in 1798. Following year ranjeet singh rebelled against zaman shah and announced his independence.

 

[dawn_news]

I messed up the names. It was zaman shah who appointed ranjeet singh governor of lahore in 1798. Following year ranjeet singh rebelled against zaman shah and announced his independence.

Wrong again, he didnt apppint him but fought against RS and failed.

 

[MilSpec]

Oh oh original indo-aryan language sanskrit was composed and named in Punjab. I bet Shauraseni language was also manly punjab language. Its always been one way street from punjab to rest of india as far as civilization and culture goes.

Fail again, Shauraseni- derivative of prakrit> Which is derived from sanskrit....

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Sanskrit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

Oh oh original indo-aryan language sanskrit was composed and named in Punjab. I bet Shauraseni language was also manly punjab language. Its always been one way street from punjab to rest of india as far as civilization and culture goes.

It was Haryana, anyway you think you are a Persian, so why are concerned about the Indian culture.

74% means 3 in 4 Punjabis are drug addicts.. if you believe that then yu are foolish. sometimes indian Punjabi try to be friendly with Pakistan and praise them even though they know Pakistani Punjabis are not praiseworthy.. even your Punjabi leaders give lectures in Urdu in Pakistan. you people are getting urdufied since partition. earlier because we lived side by side we influenced you and you have the pride but since the partition without mentor Pakistani Punjabis are low in self esteem

PUNJABI IST A OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IN PAKISTANI PUNJAB..

The only places in Pakistan where Punjabi is uninhibitedly spoken are the so-called backward rural areas or city slums. These misfortunate people look up to prosperous educated Punjabis--the landed aristocrats, industrialists, the yuppies and the bourgeoisie--as role models. As they become educated they discard their mother tongue along with their uncouth dress and manners. Hence the formula seems simple enough: the more educated a Punjabi is, the more anti-Punjabi and Punjabi-less he or she becomes

I have talked to certain Pakistanis, they were feeling very happy that urban Punjabis speaking Urdu as first language and soon everyone in Pakistan will speak Urdu as they suffer from some inferiority complex towards their own Punjabi language. @Nuri Natt can explain better.

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

LOL, we defeated the Arabs and they never dared to attack India again. You guys fought by raping and looting. Cowards.

So then where were you when Ghauri, Babur, Taimur, Abdali, etc invaded countless times and plundered your people??

Where were you when the British invaded? Oh, wait, you became British slaves.

LOL, Pathan hill rat is in dreamland.
Rajput aren't lambs to anyone, we made the Mughals treat us right and when Aurangzeb got cocky we rebelled and messed him up.

Don't worry Pooktun, we will get it back.

And when the Brits invaded you sikhs became willing man servants for the White man, how nice

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

And their achievements were apart from 40 years?.

39,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Punjabis & culture is there actually a thing like that ? punjab has no culture ,we in Pakistan make serious jokes about this gaon ka gawar culture, speaking in Punjabi is actually a sign of illiteracy, bad manners, & backwardness, you want to see culture kid ?, here see & learn this is what is called refined, exquisite, high & educated culture its called beautiful Mughal Adab (culture)

And others can make fun of bhayia party.. ? try to respect cultures.

 

[Jaggu]

I meant genocide of entire sikh nation, not some massacres here and there. It was the job of mughals to nip the evil in the bud.

It's not that Abdali 'Should have' killed all the Sikhs. He tried but was incapable of doing so. The greatest Sikh genocide occurred at the hands of Abdali and his Baloch allies under Nasir Khan Baloch. To the Sikhs, it is known as the Vadda Ghalukara(Bigger holocaust) in which almost all Sikhs were killed in the battle of Kup fought on the 5th February 1762, this genocide was bigger than all the previous Sikh genocides that the Mughals did. During this time, all the Gurdwaras in Punjab were destroyed, the Darbar Sahib in Amritsar was blown up and it's Sarovar was filled with rubbish and dead cows. Estimates are that from 1/3 to almost 1/2 of the Sikh population perished.

After the battle of Kup, Abdali called on all the chiefs of Punjab in Lahore to pay homage to him and ordered them to exterminate any Sikh found in their area. The few thousands of Sikhs that survived this genocide only saved themselves by leaving the plains of Punjab for the deserts of Malwa in Southern Punjab while many escaped to the mountains of Himachal. Abdali was at the zenith of his glory because a few years earlier he humbled the Jats, in 1761 he gave a crushing defeat to the Marathas in Panipat. And now a year later he almost exterminated the Sikhs of Punjab. It seemed as if no one was there to challenge him.

At this point in time the Sikh survivors regrouped and planned a new strategy to beat the invader and take back the lost honour of the country. The Sikhs gathered their army and decided to celebrate Diwali in Amritsar just 50 km from Lahore where Abdali was encamped with his army. At first Abdali sent his ambassadors to negotiate with the Sikhs. But Sikhs were furious at seeing the Darbar Sahib which was all destroyed. They dispersed Abdali's ambassadors. Abdali saw this as an insult to him. He immediately left Lahore for Amritsar with his army. When he came to Amritsar he saw the Sikhs were waiting for him. Historian Hari Ram Gupta writes of the battle that took place in Amritsar on 17th October 1762 between the Afghans and the Sikhs:

"The Sikhs drew up their armies early next morning and attacked the enemy so vehemently as not to care at all for their own lives. The Afghans fought with equal valour and energy and displayed strategy under the leadership of the greatest general of Asia of his time; but no amount of war tactics and military science could overcome the frantic enthusiasm evoked by the religious sentiment of sacrifice. The battle raged furiously from early morning till late at night. The enterprise and courage of the Afghans gradually gave way before the astonishing activity and invincible perseverance of the Sikhs. The hostilities were brought to a close on account of the pitch darkness of the moonless night. Both the armies then drew off to their respective camps to take rest for the night; but next morning it was discovered that the Shah had made good his escape to Lahore under the cover of darkness."

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

blah blah... bhangra is Sikh culture so is turban. Pakistani Punjabi no one even knew they exist. other than some Punjabi poets of ancient times Pakistani Punjabi contribution is jilch...which resturants you find more in west indian Punjabi or Pakistani..No one give too hoot about arab, pakistani food or central Asian food. they may b good in your Pakistan rest of the world they aint tasteworthy

You are the dumbest punjabi\sikh on PDF...

As for Pakhtuns "selling" their daughters ... retard ever geard of dower? its their custom... the grooms family pays for the wedding....

And it was the poor afghans who did what you were bitching about.. during the afghan jihad and tht too due to poverty n other problems... go to Rural KPK and try to even point a finger towards a woman ... ur turban will be on the ground with your head.

Pathan in today's world means someone who get manipulated by punjabis of pakistan.



too late,perhaps u can try changing the name of Haripur in KPK.

n the south indian .... knows crap.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

GDP per capita (current US$) | Data | Table
Pakistan is less according to the World Bank.

this is 2014..............

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's not that Abdali 'Should have' killed all the Sikhs. He tried but was incapable of doing so. The greatest Sikh genocide occurred at the hands of Abdali and his Baloch allies under Nasir Khan Baloch. To the Sikhs, it is known as the Vadda Ghalukara(Bigger holocaust) in which almost all Sikhs were killed in the battle of Kup fought on the 5th February 1762, this genocide was bigger than all the previous Sikh genocides that the Mughals did. During this time, all the Gurdwaras in Punjab were destroyed, the Darbar Sahib in Amritsar was blown up and it's Sarovar was filled with rubbish and dead cows. Estimates are that from 1/3 to almost 1/2 of the Sikh population perished.

After the battle of Kup, Abdali called on all the chiefs of Punjab in Lahore to pay homage to him and ordered them to exterminate any Sikh found in their area. The few thousands of Sikhs that survived this genocide only saved themselves by leaving the plains of Punjab for the deserts of Malwa in Southern Punjab while many escaped to the mountains of Himachal. Abdali was at the zenith of his glory because a few years earlier he humbled the Jats, in 1761 he gave a crushing defeat to the Marathas in Panipat. And now a year later he almost exterminated the Sikhs of Punjab. It seemed as if no one was there to challenge him.

At this point in time the Sikh survivors regrouped and planned a new strategy to beat the invader and take back the lost honour of the country. The Sikhs gathered their army and decided to celebrate Diwali in Amritsar just 50 km from Lahore where Abdali was encamped with his army. At first Abdali sent his ambassadors to negotiate with the Sikhs. But Sikhs were furious at seeing the Darbar Sahib which was all destroyed. They dispersed Abdali's ambassadors. Abdali saw this as an insult to him. He immediately left Lahore for Amritsar with his army. When he came to Amritsar he saw the Sikhs were waiting for him. Historian Hari Ram Gupta writes of the battle that took place in Amritsar on 17th October 1762 between the Afghans and the Sikhs:

"The Sikhs drew up their armies early next morning and attacked the enemy so vehemently as not to care at all for their own lives. The Afghan fought with equal valour and energy and displayed strategy under the leadership of the greatest general of Asia of his time; but no amount of war tactics and military science could overcome the frantic enthusiasm evoked by the religious sentiment of sacrifice. The battle raged furiously from early morning till tale at night. The enterprise and courage of the Afghans gradually gave way before the astonishing activity and invincible perseverance of the Sikhs. The hostilities were brought to a close on account of the pitch darkness of the moonless night. Both the armies then drew off to their respective camps to take rest for the night; but next morning it was discovered that the Shah had made good his escape to Lahore under the cover of darkness."

Similarly, it was Mir Nasir Khan again who, with his army of twenty five thousand Baluches, came to
the help of Ahmed Shah Abdali at the famous Third Battle of Panipat in 1761. It was this combination
of outstanding military valor and fighting skill which crushed once and for all the rising Marhatta
menace in Northern India.


The Baluches under their Khan had fought so gallantly and successfully against the Sikhs that Ahmed
Shah Abdali was delighted to express his appreciation and gratitude in these words:

“Khan! You once helped us, the Afghans,to become free from the slavery of the Persians by
giving them a crushing defeat; and now once again, on the battlefield of Panjab, you have earned our
gratitude for the selfless and gallant fight against the Sikhs, for which we are proud of you. ”



http://thebaluch.com/documents/Nasir Khan Noori.pdf

 

[kushan]

It's not that Abdali 'Should have' killed all the Sikhs. He tried but was incapable of doing so. The greatest Sikh genocide occurred at the hands of Abdali and his Baloch allies under Nasir Khan Baloch. To the Sikhs, it is known as the Vadda Ghalukara(Bigger holocaust) in which almost all Sikhs were killed in the battle of Kup fought on the 5th February 1762, this genocide was bigger than all the previous Sikh genocides that the Mughals did. During this time, all the Gurdwaras in Punjab were destroyed, the Darbar Sahib in Amritsar was blown up and it's Sarovar was filled with rubbish and dead cows. Estimates are that from 1/3 to almost 1/2 of the Sikh population perished.

After the battle of Kup, Abdali called on all the chiefs of Punjab in Lahore to pay homage to him and ordered them to exterminate any Sikh found in their area. The few thousands of Sikhs that survived this genocide only saved themselves by leaving the plains of Punjab for the deserts of Malwa in Southern Punjab while many escaped to the mountains of Himachal. Abdali was at the zenith of his glory because a few years earlier he humbled the Jats, in 1761 he gave a crushing defeat to the Marathas in Panipat. And now a year later he almost exterminated the Sikhs of Punjab. It seemed as if no one was there to challenge him.

At this point in time the Sikh survivors regrouped and planned a new strategy to beat the invader and take back the lost honour of the country. The Sikhs gathered their army and decided to celebrate Diwali in Amritsar just 50 km from Lahore where Abdali was encamped with his army. At first Abdali sent his ambassadors to negotiate with the Sikhs. But Sikhs were furious at seeing the Darbar Sahib which was all destroyed. They dispersed Abdali's ambassadors. Abdali saw this as an insult to him. He immediately left Lahore for Amritsar with his army. When he came to Amritsar he saw the Sikhs were waiting for him. Historian Hari Ram Gupta writes of the battle that took place in Amritsar on 17th October 1762 between the Afghans and the Sikhs:

"The Sikhs drew up their armies early next morning and attacked the enemy so vehemently as not to care at all for their own lives. The Afghan fought with equal valour and energy and displayed strategy under the leadership of the greatest general of Asia of his time; but no amount of war tactics and military science could overcome the frantic enthusiasm evoked by the religious sentiment of sacrifice. The battle raged furiously from early morning till tale at night. The enterprise and courage of the Afghans gradually gave way before the astonishing activity and invincible perseverance of the Sikhs. The hostilities were brought to a close on account of the pitch darkness of the moonless night. Both the armies then drew off to their respective camps to take rest for the night; but next morning it was discovered that the Shah had made good his escape to Lahore under the cover of darkness."

I wont say that i am very glad at extermination of 1/2 or 1/3 sikhs at the hands of abdali, it was necessary step to protect the lives and izat of meek and helpless punjabi musalmans and to maintain the writ of afghans.....sikhs as a whole were threat and abdali tried to eliminate this threat

 

[bronxbull]

Yea i know. Thats why historians agree that timur shah made the blunder of appointing ranjeet singh governor of lahore when a proper candidate from kasur was available...who could foresee that this one-eyed midget would prove to be a great leader and conquer entire punjab along with peshawer?. Mughals didnt do their job properly, they massacred sikhs but didnt finish them. The result was violent and revenge-seeking anti-muslim fanatics.

if u give the impression that pathans are still talking of old glory instead of looking at today,then u ll get sympathy but with all honesty,pathans shud do much better than that.

 

[kushan]

Similarly, it was Mir Nasir Khan again who, with his army of twenty five thousand Baluches, came to
the help of Ahmed Shah Abdali at the famous Third Battle of Panipat in 1761. It was this combination
of outstanding military valor and fighting skill which crushed once and for all the rising Marhatta
menace in Northern India.


The Baluches under their Khan had fought so gallantly and successfully against the Sikhs that Ahmed
Shah Abdali was delighted to express his appreciation and gratitude in these words:

“Khan! You once helped us, the Afghans,to become free from the slavery of the Persians by
giving them a crushing defeat; and now once again, on the battlefield of Panjab, you have earned our
gratitude for the selfless and gallant fight against the Sikhs, for which we are proud of you. ”



http://thebaluch.com/documents/Nasir Khan Noori.pdf

25 thousands is an exaggeration. Nasir khan rode with one thousand baloch cavalry to the panipat. Most of the soldiers were durranis, pashtun tribesmen of trans-indus and qizalbash. The most numerous allies were rohillas under najib ud daula, hafiz rehmat khan and dundy khan.
Balochs and qizalbash were required to participate in various compigns of abdali from persia to hindostan. They contributions to the cause of afghans are much appreciated.

if u give the impression that pathans are still talking of old glory instead of looking at today,then u ll get sympathy but with all honesty,pathans shud do much better than that.

Come on man we are in history section and we are discussing history. You want me to discuss current affairs in this section?

 

[Jaggu]

25 thousands is an exaggeration. Nasir khan rode with one thousand baloch cavalry to the panipat. Most of the soldiers were durranis, pashtun tribesmen of trans-indus and qizalbash. The most numerous allies were rohillas under najib ud daula, hafiz rehmat khan and dundy khan.
Balochs and qizalbash were required to participate in various compigns of abdali from persia to hindostan. They contributions to the cause of afghans are much appreciated.

Nasir Khan Baloch had an army of 10 thousand men. Even Punjabi historians record the bravery of the Baloch army. The Baloch were good fighters, plus they were led by an experienced general like Nasir Khan and the over all command of Abdali.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Marathas were always the enemy of us Punjabis whereas Abdali an ally and a brother.