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AAD Test Fails "Missile falls down,catches fire immediately after its take off"

The idea of being immune is utter idiocy and weird as well.
There is no immunity when the average flight time between the two nations is 4-6 minutes.
All the AAD offers is some protection for the eastern most cities.

There was a reason that despite various ABM measures such as the PATRIOT and otherwise.. the idea of IRBMs in any country makes people nervous. Smell the reality, you live under the very high potential of being BBQd to nothing.. regardless of how many PAADs you make.
Strange that you should put forth such silly arguments.

Firstly, during the run-up to a conflict, all systems would be in place including AWACs. Indication for war would be available at least a month in advance like enemy movement of troops to concentration areas, forward deployment of artillery and missile batteries, aircraft being weaponized and moved to particular air bases, increase in signal traffic, establishment of forward logistic bases etc. Similarly, Indian troops and formations would start deploying too including air defence systems well in advance.

Secondly, all air defence systems are computerized and thus can react within seconds of an enemy missile lifting off anywhere from within Pakistan. This would be picked up by AWACS and real time satellite imagery. ETOT for a missile to hit a close-proximity VA (vulnerable area) within India would be around 5-6 minutes, enough time to identify, acquire and take counter action, thus destroying the missile within 2-3 minutes of lift off. This would probably be over Pak territory itself!

So your argument that 'the idea of being immune to a missile attack from Pakistan is utter idiocy and weird', is laughable. You need to know your beans before making such sweeping statements.

However, I don't say that a Theater Air Defence system is 100% foolproof. A saturated missile attack could result in a few missiles getting through and hitting their targets. But this would require enormous resources - about 1 missile hitting target for every 10 fired. Seeing the number of targets in India, you'd run out of missiles before affecting unacceptable damage.
 
Today's test was to assess the performance of the new composite rocket motor and the missile's ejection from the canister. These two parameters were successfully tested. There was no actual target today - only an electronic one.


Cannisterised? Are you sure?
 
Cannisterised? Are you sure?

Sure, as per DRDO itself.

DRDO officials, who spoke to OneIndia said that they would be back with another launch of the missile by the end of April after studying what went wrong. "These are part and parcel of every missile trails. We had six successive missions of the interceptor missile. We suspect that one of the sub-systems in the missile might have failed," a top scientist not wanting to be named, said. He said that Monday's test was to assess the performance of the composite motor rocket and the missile's ejection from the canister. "These two parameters have been successfully tested. There was no target today. But one sub-system misbehaved and we are now analyzing some more data," he added. DRDO says the missile's basic systems are all intact and worked as per the textbook. "Random problems can occur while dealing with complex systems. We will be back by the end of this month for another launch," he added. He said that the missile caught fire after falling apart. This was DRDO's 7th interceptor missile test.

Read more at: Interceptor missile fails; DRDO to conduct another test soon - Oneindia
 
Secondly, all air defence systems are computerized and thus can react within seconds of an enemy missile lifting off anywhere from within Pakistan. This would be picked up by AWACS and real time satellite imagery. ETOT for a missile to hit a close-proximity VA (vulnerable area) within India would be around 5-6 minutes, enough time to identify, acquire and take counter action, thus destroying the missile within 2-3 minutes of lift off. This would probably be over Pak territory itself!

1. Exactly which Indian satellite has the capability to detect a missile launch? (equivalent of US SBIRS/DPS satellites)
2. Exactly how can the present/planned Indian BMD (Phase-I/II) intercept missiles over Pakistani territory?
 
This is just the inception of missile defence, in the future interceptors will be faster and more accurate, the detection systems both earth and space too will increase.
You can expect going over Mach-10 and having dual detection systems the norm then. And how cost efficient are ballistic missile compared to ABMs.
 
1. Exactly which Indian satellite has the capability to detect a missile launch? (equivalent of US SBIRS/DPS satellites)
RISAT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Communication-Centric Intelligence Satellite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many More were Planned in future in line from experiences gained by fielding Cartosat satellites

2. Exactly how can the present/planned Indian BMD (Phase-I/II) intercept missiles over Pakistani territory?
Soon the Missile Launch is detected The Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) is an anti-ballistic missile developed to intercept incoming ballistic missiles outside the atmosphere (exo-atmospheric).

Phase II

Two new anti ballistic missiles that can intercept IRBMs are being developed. These high speed missiles (AD-1 and AD-2) are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with a range of around 5,000 km (3,100 mi).The test trials of these two systems are expected to take place in 2011.The new missile will be similar to the THAAD missile deployed by the US.On 6 May 2012, Dr V K Saraswat while confirming the completion of Phase-I added that Phase-II would be completed by 2016 to protect against missiles having range up to 5000 km.
 
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1. Exactly which Indian satellite has the capability to detect a missile launch? (equivalent of US SBIRS/DPS satellites)

CARTOSAT-2A.

The Cartosat 2A is a military version of the Cartosat 2 satellite launched by ISRO.

Cartosat 2A carries an advanced synthetic aperture radar (SAR) made by Israel and a digital camera with a resolution of less than one metre. The Cartosat 2A gives India the capability to monitor missile launches by rivals Pakistan and China, and also makes the country only the second Asian country after Japan to have this advanced capability.

The Cartosat-2A is officially billed as a reconnaissance satellite, but it caters exclusively to military and intelligence needs.

2. Exactly how can the present/planned Indian BMD (Phase-I/II) intercept missiles over Pakistani territory?
Time and space. In a nutshell, one scenario: ETOT 6 minutes from Pak launch base to Indian VA. Time to detect missile launch by AWACs and Cartosat 2A - 0 seconds as real time info will be provided. Data passed on to BMD CRs immediately, in real time, on secure networks and fed into computers. Missiles readied and launched. Time taken to intercept - 3 minutes while enemy missile is half way to target which means still over Pak territory.
 
All of the above are remote sensing satellites, not equipped with early-warning IR sensors. For them to be used in the mentioned role, the satellite has to be scanning the same region (say 100km square) at the same time when the missile is launched.
Kindly read up on early-warning satellites used to detect missile launches.


Soon the Missile Launch is detected The Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) is an anti-ballistic missile developed to intercept incoming ballistic missiles outside the atmosphere (exo-atmospheric).
PAD has a flight ceiling of 80 km. PDV has the same of 150 km. For either of them to intercept missiles inside Pakistani territory would require Pakistani missiles being launch from close to Iranian border at Amritsar.

CARTOSAT-2A.

The Cartosat 2A is a military version of the Cartosat 2 satellite launched by ISRO.

Cartosat 2A carries an advanced synthetic aperture radar (SAR) made by Israel and a digital camera with a resolution of less than one metre. The Cartosat 2A gives India the capability to monitor missile launches by rivals Pakistan and China, and also makes the country only the second Asian country after Japan to have this advanced capability.

The Cartosat-2A is officially billed as a reconnaissance satellite, but it caters exclusively to military and intelligence needs.

Refer to post #113.

Time and space. In a nutshell, one scenario: ETOT 6 minutes from Pak launch base to Indian VA. Time to detect missile launch by AWACs and Cartosat 2A - 0 seconds as real time info will be provided. Data passed on to BMD CRs immediately, in real time, on secure networks and fed into computers. Missiles readied and launched. Time taken to intercept - 3 minutes while enemy missile is half way to target which means still over Pak territory.
Umm so the interceptor runs on what, thin air? Halfway means ~900km for Shaheen-II. Which Indian interceptor has that much range?
 
All of the above are remote sensing satellites, not equipped with early-warning IR sensors. For them to be used in the mentioned role,
RISAT-2, or Radar Imaging Satellite 2 is an Indian radar reconnaissance satellite that is part of India's RISAT programme. It was built by the Israel Aerospace Industries and successfully launched aboard a PSLV-CA rocket at 01:15 GMT on April 20, 2009 from the Second Launch Pad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre.

RISAT-2 is India's first heavy satellite with a synthetic aperture radar. It has a day-night, all-weather monitoring capability. Potential applications include tracking hostile ships at sea that could pose a military threat.though ISRO sought to underplay the satellite's defence applications in its announcements, a majority of the media classified it as a spy satellite.
 
So this is the missile defence shield with 99% hit probability.

Hittnig the ground may be

The missile is not inducted yet and is being tested.

Do you know the meaning of this?
 
Also consider level of failure... its not failure to hit the target...its failure to fly...

that can even happen to a Pakistani nuclear tipped missile, falling back to where it is launched.
 
PAD has a flight ceiling of 80 km. PDV has the same of 150 km. For either of them to intercept missiles inside Pakistani territory would require Pakistani missiles being launch from close to Iranian border at Amritsar.
Phased 2 is much more Improved and sophisticated
Halfway means ~900km for Shaheen-II. Which Indian interceptor has that much range?
Two new anti ballistic missiles that can intercept IRBMs are being developed. These high speed missiles (AD-1 and AD-2) are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with a range of around 5,000 km.
 
RISAT-2, or Radar Imaging Satellite 2 is an Indian radar reconnaissance satellite that is part of India's RISAT programme. It was built by the Israel Aerospace Industries and successfully launched aboard a PSLV-CA rocket at 01:15 GMT on April 20, 2009 from the Second Launch Pad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre.

RISAT-2 is India's first heavy satellite with a synthetic aperture radar. It has a day-night, all-weather monitoring capability. Potential applications include tracking hostile ships at sea that could pose a military threat.though ISRO sought to underplay the satellite's defence applications in its announcements, a majority of the media classified it as a spy satellite.
Read post #113 again. SAR is used for remote-sensing/imagery, not for detecting missile launches.
Go through information on these systems for better understanding:
Missile Defense Alarm System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Defense Support Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Space-Based Infrared System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phased 2 is much more Improved and sophisticated
It will be, obviously you didn't get the point.
Two new anti ballistic missiles that can intercept IRBMs are being developed. These high speed missiles (AD-1 and AD-2) are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with a range of around 5,000 km.

Apologies for arguing with your Highness. :hitwall:
 
Are these AAD missiles kinetic kill or explosive warhead? Also Any one knows top speed??
 

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