A women-only market in AJK provides way around conservative beliefs

[Moonlight]

I'm not too sure about the kidding part

Ain't explaining will ruin my joke.

A prof. with PhD travels with his wife on a long journey and when they arrives at destination and walking towards the hotel, he suddenly stops, turns towards her and asks "Madam why are you following me?"

Hahaha.

I gotta tag @Doordie bhai here.

 

[abdulbarijan]

A prof. with PhD travels with his wife on a long journey and when they arrives at destination and walking towards the hotel, he suddenly stops, turns towards her and asks "Madam why are you following me?"

@Doordie @GreenFalcon @SherDil007 @Major d1 @abdulbarijan

The reason being....

Ain't explaining will ruin my joke.
Hahaha.
I gotta tag @Doordie bhai here.

 

[Moonlight]

reason ...

 

[T-123456]

The issue here is of women empowerment, of how to provide jobs for women in a safe environment, keeping in mind the conservative nature of that particular segment of rural society.

Law and Order issues do not get solved over night

I agree with you,its about the enviroment the women live in.
Law and order cant do much in conservative rural societies.

 

[Moonlight]

Death penalty on this crime or may be a day with trump?

 

[Desert Fox]

Personally I don't see anything wrong with a women's only market place so long as no illegal activity is taking place there. If having such safe spaces shields the women from sexual harassment and men who can't lower their gaze then so be it. Let's be honest here, no one is going to enforce the law anytime soon. We can't afford to wait for someone to do so. Therefore this is a good temporary measure. Also, regarding the shelter for battered women, I think those are necessary as domestic abuse is a problem. However as @abdulbarijan pointed out women aren't the only victims of domestic abuse. Men also face domestic abuse but unlike women we men suck it up and keep it to ourselves because as men society expects us to "take it like a man" and not complain (I'm not demeaning women but this is how it really is) and I guess this has allot to do with men's nature; we tend to keep our problems to ourselves and overtime this has become a societal expectation.

With that being said I am in no way a proponent of feminism, Liberalism, or any other Western cultural influence. Considering the harm that radical feminism has done to gender roles in the West and the complete breakdown of the traditional family structure, that is something we do not want in Pakistan.

@SMC @Khafee

 

[Spring Onion]

In theory it's equality between men and women in terms of social/political/economic life ...

In practice it is something like this ...

"I'm a woman and a feminist!... I am strong and can do everything a man can do .. which is why there should be more women in corporate boards and other positions of power!"
What about coal mine labor... well you see "I'm a woman after all"

Anyways , whether you like it or not ... sexual harassment / domestic violence etc. are and have been big issues in the movement ... which is why I linked it with this story ...

ye to bari teeeri kheer hay.

Anyway I failed to understand till date what exactly feminists want and till date, I feel, feminism failed to come clear what exactly it is.

As far as this all women bazaar is concerned I think it has more to do with providing opportunity in the field of entrepreneurship to those women who otherwise would not have been able to put their skills into practice due to some social/cultural/religious constraints or customs.

I feel till our mentality changes which may take decades of centuries we should continue with providing spaces to women in the field of education, business or social circles or for that matter any circle.

It is not about equality but facilitating those who otherwise would not have been able to step forward.

If you remember many women/girls are not allowed due to cultural sensitives to continue their education after college because most of the universities are co-education where male and female study alongside. So if we simply protest and hold awareness workshops in this regard it would not be enough neither lead to any significant progress but if we look for ways and means to find some amicable solution that could be acceptable to the parents or guardians of these girls then that would be a better thing.

For example in Pakistan all women universities were established few years back which at least facilitated those girls who's parents or guardians were not at all willing to send their girls to universities.

 

[Desert Fox]

ye to bari teeeri kheer hay.

Anyway I failed to understand till date what exactly feminists want and till date, I feel, feminism failed to come clear what exactly it is.

They want to smash the "patriarchy", to put it in a nutshell. Even though men are equally oppressed by the "patriarchy", if not more, but men don't make too much noise about it.

As far as this all women bazaar is concerned I think it has more to do with providing opportunity in the field of entrepreneurship to those women who otherwise would not have been able to put their skills into practice due to some social/cultural/religious constraints or customs.

I agree. There might be cultural/social constraints but there isn't a religious constraint on women for getting involved in entrepreneurship as long as it doesn't violate religious boundaries.

I feel till our mentality changes which may take decades of centuries we should continue with providing spaces to women in the field of education, business or social circles or for that matter any circle.

It is not about equality but facilitating those who otherwise would not have been able to step forward.

If you remember many women/girls are not allowed due to cultural sensitives to continue their education after college because most of the universities are co-education where male and female study alongside. So if we simply protest and hold awareness workshops in this regard it would not be enough neither lead to any significant progress but if we look for ways and means to find some amicable solution that could be acceptable to the parents or guardians of these girls then that would be a better thing.

For example in Pakistan all women universities were established few years back which at least facilitated those girls who's parents or guardians were not at all willing to send their girls to universities.

Agreed.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

A prof. with PhD travels with his wife on a long journey and when they arrives at destination and walking towards the hotel, he suddenly stops, turns towards her and asks "Madam why are you following me?"

@Doordie @GreenFalcon @SherDil007 @Major d1 @abdulbarijan

Ain't explaining will ruin my joke.



Hahaha.

I gotta tag @Doordie bhai here.

Well @Moonlight thank God im not that PHD person. ANNA MISKEEN . And i will be dead in Sleep if did that

 

[Moonlight]

Well @Moonlight thank God im not that PHD person. ANNA MISKEEN . And i will be dead in Sleep if did that

This gang is normal ;D

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

This gang is normal ;D

?

 

[abdulbarijan]

Death penalty on this crime or may be a day with trump?

I actually supported the idea of Trump over Hillary lol! So the latter is not really that bad an option

ye to bari teeeri kheer hay.

Anyway I failed to understand till date what exactly feminists want and till date, I feel, feminism failed to come clear what exactly it is.

As far as this all women bazaar is concerned I think it has more to do with providing opportunity in the field of entrepreneurship to those women who otherwise would not have been able to put their skills into practice due to some social/cultural/religious constraints or customs.

I feel till our mentality changes which may take decades of centuries we should continue with providing spaces to women in the field of education, business or social circles or for that matter any circle.

It is not about equality but facilitating those who otherwise would not have been able to step forward.

If you remember many women/girls are not allowed due to cultural sensitives to continue their education after college because most of the universities are co-education where male and female study alongside. So if we simply protest and hold awareness workshops in this regard it would not be enough neither lead to any significant progress but if we look for ways and means to find some amicable solution that could be acceptable to the parents or guardians of these girls then that would be a better thing.

For example in Pakistan all women universities were established few years back which at least facilitated those girls who's parents or guardians were not at all willing to send their girls to universities.

Providing opportunities is just fine ... and If a group that perceives itself as marginalized and in need of help, and can go and convince people to give them any sort of opportunity ... good for them ... The problem I have is restriction on visitation ... so as a man I can't visit this market ... why ? because I'm a man which must mean I'm a "potential domestic abuser/predator" ... that assumption doesn't sit well with me at all ... and it shouldn't sit well with any one with a level head on their shoulders ...

What you brought up about cultural sensitivities is in fact a rather interesting topic. Our "culture" is quite interesting. In our objectives resolution, our laid out aim was to follow the principles of islam. Yet our entire economic system is based on the system of interest. Coming to social issues, our citizen's are the first ones to judge each other on the basis of Islam when it comes to social matters .. yet we're also the first ones to break Islamic principles when it suits us. Just look up the state of bribery in our country, nepotism and the list goes on. People who are very "Islamic" who go about and condemn concerts and other such events are more then happy to visit Mehandis and watch girls dance all up and down the stage and that's not a problem because it's a "family function" ... Your allowed to be judgy as all hell when it comes to things like marriages, where the guy side of the family goes out and completely berates the looks of the girl, while the girl side of the family does the same to the guy's wallet where demanding a seven figure salary from a mid 20's kid who has just started his career is somehow the objective ...

Our "cultural sensitivities" are basically like this ... " I don't like what your doing so I'm going to use a cultural argument against you to manipulate you in to doing ... what I want you to do"

 

[SMC]

I actually supported the idea of Trump over Hillary lol! So the latter is not really that bad an option




Providing opportunities is just fine ... and If a group that perceives itself as marginalized and in need of help, and can go and convince people to give them any sort of opportunity ... good for them ... The problem I have is restriction on visitation ... so as a man I can't visit this market ... why ? because I'm a man which must mean I'm a "potential domestic abuser/predator" ... that assumption doesn't sit well with me at all ... and it shouldn't sit well with any one with a level head on their shoulders ...

What you brought up about cultural sensitivities is in fact a rather interesting topic. Our "culture" is quite interesting. In our objectives resolution, our laid out aim was to follow the principles of islam. Yet our entire economic system is based on the system of interest. Coming to social issues, our citizen's are the first ones to judge each other on the basis of Islam when it comes to social matters .. yet we're also the first ones to break Islamic principles when it suits us. Just look up the state of bribery in our country, nepotism and the list goes on. People who are very "Islamic" who go about and condemn concerts and other such events are more then happy to visit Mehandis and watch girls dance all up and down the stage and that's not a problem because it's a "family function" ... Your allowed to be judgy as all hell when it comes to things like marriages, where the guy side of the family goes out and completely berates the looks of the girl, while the girl side of the family does the same to the guy's wallet where demanding a seven figure salary from a mid 20's kid who has just started his career is somehow the objective ...

Our "cultural sensitivities" are basically like this ... " I don't like what your doing so I'm going to use a cultural argument against you to manipulate you in to doing ... what I want you to do"

And an assumption about men being sexual predators or dangerous would not sit well with people if we only did it for men of a particular race, even if that group is statistically more likely to commit crimes. Because then the issue becomes about race, which people are more charged up about. But if its plain gender, then people don't give a sh*t that men are routinely assumed to be dangerous or whatnot. Just try generalizing all women as gold diggers and whatnot, see the response you get from the feminazis.

 

[ghazi52]

As far as this all women bazaar is concerned I think it has more to do with providing opportunity in the field of entrepreneurship to those women who otherwise would not have been able to put their skills into practice due to some social/cultural/religious constraints or customs
I feel till our mentality changes which may take decades of centuries we should continue with providing spaces to women in the field of education, business or social circles or for that matter any circle.
It is not about equality but facilitating those who otherwise would not have been able to step forward.
For example in Pakistan all women universities were established few years back which at least facilitated those girls who's parents or guardians were not at all willing to send their girls to universities.

Agreed.

 

[Moonlight]

I actually supported the idea of Trump over Hillary lol! So the latter is not really that bad an option

Wait why? You hate this world?