A warning to India

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/alexander-the-great-mauryans-graeco-bactrians.601039/page-12

Now lock your spitting.
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/alexander-the-great-mauryans-graeco-bactrians.601039/page-12

Go lick your spitting.
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We are not all Arab or foreign origin. I stand by what I said.

Not my fault if you fail at English comprehension.

 

[Republic]

We are not all Arab or foreign origin. I stand by what I said.

Not my fault if you fail at English comprehension.

Go back to the page and read all previous and post comments
Read all our debate..
And feel the same if you are a real human and not a hard core fanatic zombie.

 

[Awan68]

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Where this fasiq fails is in changing my statement.

He claimed majority of Pakistanis are foreigners and we are all Arabs, hence we have no rights to IVC and our ancestral sites.

I said that only a portion of Pakistanis are of patrilineal Arab descent, we also have people of other origins like Turks, Persians, Kurds, Afghans, and Aryan/Irani groups.

His agenda is clear, it is BJP’s Consistent lies that we are all foreigners and should be expelled.

They are using these same lies to rape and murder Kashmiri civilians en masse, then they cry when Kashmiris hit them back.

Yes and they use this idiotic narrative to separate Pakistanis from the glorious Muslim past so they could feel better about themselves.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Go back to the page and read all previous and post comments
Read all our debate..
And feel the same if you are a real human and not a hard core fanatic zombie.

I was part of that conversation. You need to take a few more English courses.

Now stop attacking me to justify your folly.

I have proven you lied, now take it like a man and move on.

 

[Corona]

Sane people don't just read the title but whole article, they even don't stop here. They further try to understand the point of view of author. If author POV is valid logically then sane people don't argue. But unfortunately we don't see sensibility among most members including Indians & Pakistanis.

Sane people don't buy whatever is presented to them without scrutiny nor do they engage in discussions about a wrong concept just for the sake of talking.

OP's title is about a warning, one that he feels is justified. I see it as a threat of escalation if we don't let Pakistan keep supporting selective terrorism.

 

[shahbaz baig]

OP's title is about a warning, one that he feels is justified. I see it as a threat of escalation if we don't let Pakistan keep supporting selective terrorism.

So kindly elaborate why do you see this warning (possibly true) as threat?

This is exactly the problem that an Indian always sees Pakistan as threat & blame on behalf of selective propaganda by Indian Govt & media without even asking solid evidence from the Govt. This is not called sensibility which indians always do against Pakistan.

As you yourself said that Sane people don't buy whatever is presented to them without scrutiny. So why always accept everything from Indian media or Indian Govt?

Why Pakistan will do anything wrong specially in this current circumstances when Pakistan is looking for massive FDI and trying to fix economy? And trying to strengthen good relationship with neighboring country including India. Neither this kind of attack favours Pakistan nor India's people but favour to modi only.

But you know what we are ready for counterblast for your misadventure. We reject your baseless allegations but also ready to support you if you present solid evidence, actions can only be taken on the bases of solid evidences.

 

[Corona]

So kindly elaborate why do you see this warning (possibly true) as threat?

This is exactly the problem that an Indian always sees Pakistan as threat & blame on behalf of selective propaganda by Indian Govt & media without even asking solid evidence from the Govt. This is not called sensibility which indians always do against Pakistan.

As you yourself said that Sane people don't buy whatever is presented to them without scrutiny. So why always accept everything from Indian media or Indian Govt?

Why Pakistan will do anything wrong specially in this current circumstances when Pakistan is looking for massive FDI and trying to fix economy? And trying to strengthen good relationship with neighboring country including India. Neither this kind of attack favours Pakistan nor India's people but favour to modi only.

But you know what we are ready for counterblast for your misadventure. We reject your baseless allegations but also ready to support you if you present solid evidence, actions can only be taken on the bases of solid evidences.

My issue with the OP, and the reason for participating in this thread was to call out his notion that we owe something to Pakistan, not to discuss the actual MO of Pakistan when it comes to supporting terrorism. The absurd idea that Pakistan has a leverage to threaten us with when it comes to free movement of terrorists through it's land. It is colossally insane to think that India bases it's policies on the hope that Pakistan does us a favor, by obstructing terrorists whose mission aligns with certain elements in Pakistan, when in reality it is more practical and believable that India bases its strategies on the assumption that the Pakistani Prime Minister personally carries each of those terrorists across the country on his shoulder.

But since you enquired about it, my limited opinion is that propaganda can go both ways. You accuse India of propaganda. Maybe so, but what is to say Pakistan is not pulling the wool on its citizens? My views against Pakistan are based on our broader history and not any recent events. We are suspicious about Pakistan because of the wars they instigated, the policies they follow, the rhetoric they use, etc.

Now, about why Pakistan would do this now, why now in its financially troubled time, why now when it's trying to mend relations with neighbors; Pakistan has always had a rift between who seems to be in power and who actually is in power. With all the coups and overthrows, you're more familiar with the tumultous relation between the civilian government, the military establishment and the religious groups than me. What one group in Pakistan wants, the other wants to undo. When someone in Pakistan extends an offer peace, someone else in Pakistan makes an attempt to undo it.

This is not some tinfoil theory either, this was what caused the Kargil conflict and the worsening of relations between the two countries at the turn of the century. It is on record that a general went to war without consulting the Pakistani civilian government, or his own airforce and navy for that matter.

Again, I'm not here to discuss how, why or if Pakistan is involved in terrorism. Just that we don't expect any handouts from Pakistan, and Pakistan shouldn't expect any from us.
To suggest that we should be grateful to Pakistan for holding back terrorism in India is akin to India asking Pakistan to be grateful that we didn't train and arm Muki bahini during the 1971 war.

 

[ThinkLogically]

Our religion negates ethinic caste systems, that is the very core principle of Islam. Once u are a muslim, thats it, u belong to the ummat as sanctioned by the Prophet(pbuh) and still if u cant comprehend that because indian minds are programmed with cast and ethinic divisions then u can take my example. My family has resided in Punjab for centuries yet my heritage is pure Arab, i am directly descended form the hashimite clan from whom the Prophet(pbuh) hailed. What u people fail to understand is that muslims have a common and certain mindset and that comes from the teachings of Quran. Before Islam Arabs were a rag tag tribal nation who couldnt even dream of rising up to superpowers like Persian and Byzantine empires. It was Islam that moulded them into what they became and it is the very same Islam that moulds Punjabis, Pakhtoons, Sindhis, Balochs and Kashmiris into what we are.

Good joke. Even with no caste system you people are killing yourselves in hundreds everyday around the world.

 

[TheSeeker]

Hurts doesnt it, hurts so much that ur only retort to established historical facts is "lol", and calling documented global history as "imagined", i sincerely feel sorry for u mate, i really do......

Oh come on ,bring on something which you have achieved after 1947.Those rules you pointed out ,was of Arabs/Turks,Uzbeks etc. you were banged.your ancestors were plundered raped and looted.Is there any pride in being product of the bang?.....

 

[Amalek]

Now here is the warning:
Pakistan is stopping many creatures from crossing Indian boarder since much time. If Pakistan is attacked in any way, we will, at first, shoot down any thing attacking, and, may be we do some diplomatic monkey jumping too, but not much.
The real thing we will do is that we will not bare those jobless Jihadis and contractors from crossing into India. And your forces are simply not capable of handling this situation.

So dear India, don't try to break your protection. We are not what you perceive about us.

So the choice is yours.

These Jihadis are not your friends. They will affect you more than they can affect India. They will destroy your country, as they have always done for centuries.

Don't repeat the mistakes of Chechnya. Don't destroy your own country to hurt India.

Secondly, as far as Kashmir is concerned, you know your self the situation.. 7 million troops, killing and raping on daily basis. You think thats the way to proceed towards peace in the region?

If 7 million troops are killing and raping on a daily basis, then there must be tens of thousands of Kashmiris dying everyday. Do you know how many civilians were killed in Kashmir in 2018? The number is 160 civilians, many of them killed by militants.

Do you see how you have been deluded?

Our religion negates ethinic caste systems, that is the very core principle of Islam. Once u are a muslim, thats it, u belong to the ummat as sanctioned by the Prophet(pbuh) and still if u cant comprehend that because indian minds are programmed with cast and ethinic divisions then u can take my example. My family has resided in Punjab for centuries yet my heritage is pure Arab, i am directly descended form the hashimite clan from whom the Prophet(pbuh) hailed. What u people fail to understand is that muslims have a common and certain mindset and that comes from the teachings of Quran. Before Islam Arabs were a rag tag tribal nation who couldnt even dream of rising up to superpowers like Persian and Byzantine empires. It was Islam that moulded them into what they became and it is the very same Islam that moulds Punjabis, Pakhtoons, Sindhis, Balochs and Kashmiris into what we are.

Let's see your 23&me report.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Good joke. Even with no caste system you people are killing yourselves in hundreds everyday around the world.

Have you missed female infanticide, rape epidemic, farmer suicides, and mob lynchings in your country?

Glass houses...

So kindly elaborate why do you see this warning (possibly true) as threat?

This is exactly the problem that an Indian always sees Pakistan as threat & blame on behalf of selective propaganda by Indian Govt & media without even asking solid evidence from the Govt. This is not called sensibility which indians always do against Pakistan.

As you yourself said that Sane people don't buy whatever is presented to them without scrutiny. So why always accept everything from Indian media or Indian Govt?

Why Pakistan will do anything wrong specially in this current circumstances when Pakistan is looking for massive FDI and trying to fix economy? And trying to strengthen good relationship with neighboring country including India. Neither this kind of attack favours Pakistan nor India's people but favour to modi only.

But you know what we are ready for counterblast for your misadventure. We reject your baseless allegations but also ready to support you if you present solid evidence, actions can only be taken on the bases of solid evidences.

Don’t worry too much about them. Logic goes out of the window when Indians are concerned.

They are the millipede version of humanity and their actions and speech is based purely on emotion and irrational feelings.

Kashmir is proof of it. For 72 years, India has not been able to stop itself from massacring, torturing, raping, and humiliating Kashmiris.

They are self-destructive beasts, nothing more. Our high ideals mean nothing to them. They will do anything to satisfy their own ego.

 

[Amalek]

Sure if 50 Muslim countries can have place in this world, a single Hindu India too will have it's place, secularism can go to hell...

You have a mindset the same as Jinnah. Congratulations.

 

[Super Falcon]

Time to teach them a harsh lesson seems like they are mind sick every attack no matter what oak did it first of all if you occupy harassing people forcefully raping girls killing their families than these people hold right to do pulwama this you got what you did

 

[pahadi]

You have a mindset the same as Jinnah. Congratulations.

Secularism has hurt India more than these terrorists can ever do, I hope India becomes less tolerant towards such people, just like China and Russia...

 

[shahbaz baig]

My issue with the OP, and the reason for participating in this thread was to call out his notion that we owe something to Pakistan, not to discuss the actual MO of Pakistan when it comes to supporting terrorism. The absurd idea that Pakistan has a leverage to threaten us with when it comes to free movement of terrorists through it's land. It is colossally insane to think that India bases it's policies on the hope that Pakistan does us a favor, by obstructing terrorists whose mission aligns with certain elements in Pakistan, when in reality it is more practical and believable that India bases its strategies on the assumption that the Pakistani Prime Minister personally carries each of those terrorists across the country on his shoulder.

But since you enquired about it, my limited opinion is that propaganda can go both ways. You accuse India of propaganda. Maybe so, but what is to say Pakistan is not pulling the wool on its citizens? My views against Pakistan are based on our broader history and not any recent events. We are suspicious about Pakistan because of the wars they instigated, the policies they follow, the rhetoric they use, etc.

Now, about why Pakistan would do this now, why now in its financially troubled time, why now when it's trying to mend relations with neighbors; Pakistan has always had a rift between who seems to be in power and who actually is in power. With all the coups and overthrows, you're more familiar with the tumultous relation between the civilian government, the military establishment and the religious groups than me. What one group in Pakistan wants, the other wants to undo. When someone in Pakistan extends an offer peace, someone else in Pakistan makes an attempt to undo it.

This is not some tinfoil theory either, this was what caused the Kargil conflict and the worsening of relations between the two countries at the turn of the century. It is on record that a general went to war without consulting the Pakistani civilian government, or his own airforce and navy for that matter.

Again, I'm not here to discuss how, why or if Pakistan is involved in terrorism. Just that we don't expect any handouts from Pakistan, and Pakistan shouldn't expect any from us.
To suggest that we should be grateful to Pakistan for holding back terrorism in India is akin to India asking Pakistan to be grateful that we didn't train and arm Muki bahini during the 1971 war.

This is not a time of kargil. When Pakistani Army & govt were not on same page, right now both Pakistani Govt & Army are on same page. Infect both Army & govt have sent the message of Peace not only in Pakistan but also at every world's platform but India denied our peaceful gesture by showing hateful speeches & doubts.

If India keep ignoring to understand indigenous movement of Kashmiris and always follow indian egos and blame Pakistan for everything. This behavior of India will never get any chance of peace no matter what.

We know what is happening in India right now if we want to promote anarchy and exploit every anti India movement in India we can do it which we are not doing right now. But it seems you indians are provoking us to do it.