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A war in the Himalayas would expose India’s soft power

By M.K. Bhadrakumar August 10, 2017 2:22 PM

The Xinhua news agency and China Daily newspaper, two authoritative platforms of Chinese policies, held out warnings this week over the military standoff with India near the Sikkim border.

China Daily starkly wrote that the “window for a peaceful solution is closing. The countdown to a clash between the two forces has begun….” Xinhua said China’s “restraint has limits and with every day that passes the tether shortens.”

Should these warning be taken seriously? India stubbornly ignored similar warnings 55 years ago in a border war it resoundingly lost and the rest is history.


A war between India and China is improbable since neither side wants it. But below that threshold is a vast space where miscalculations can occur. Indians and Chinese are patriotic people, driven by nationalistic leaderships, and “territorial sovereignty” is a highly emotive issue. What’s alarming is that both governments have successfully rallied domestic opinion.

In China, perhaps, this wasn’t particularly difficult. But in India where a hundred flowers normally bloom, opinion is polarizing at an exceptional rate. It seems all Indians are rising in anger over Facebook posts supporting China’s position. But how could there be a contrarian opinion?

This holds dangers because hubris is a self-devouring monster. The plain truth is that India’s post-Cold War foreign policy calculus will be severely put to test for the first time if a conflict with China ensues. No country has backed India in its seven-week standoff with China. Indians all along fancied that they were leagues ahead of Chinese in “soft power” – yoga, Gandhi, snake charmers, etc. Apparently, that is not so.

It is particularly galling that the United States has not taken any posture favoring India. India’s post-Cold War strategic discourse is heavily laden with the blithe assumption that the US regards India as a “counterweight” to China. Meghnad Desai, a high-flying opinion maker in the English-speaking Delhi circuit, said last week:

“All things that follow now will have a lot to do with what happens in the South China Sea. The US has sent out enough signals. If there is war, it will be a US-China war, with India on the US side, in the South China Sea and in the Himalayas. This trio (India, China and the US) is a very combustible mixture right now.… Ultimately, you have to understand that India cannot stand up to China without American help and support. America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship.”

The sheer naiveté in the above passage sums up India’s misfortune. The Indians refuse to see the geopolitical realities. It doesn’t occur to them that US President Donald Trump will fight wars only if America’s interests are directly threatened. Why should he order the Pentagon to send the marines to the Himalayas or to dispatch a carrier battle group to hunt down Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean?

The one thing emerging out of the meeting in Manila last Friday between US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is that the two top diplomats did not waste time on the South China Sea or the Indian Ocean.

Tillerson told the media that North Korea was the main topic in his discussions and whatever extra “bit of reflection on the relationship” with China that took place was devoted to the four high-level dialogues between the two countries last April at the summit at Mar-a-Lago, Florida. That meeting, he said, is “really advancing our two countries’ understandings of the nature of this relationship … and how we should strive to strengthen this relationship so that it benefits the world in terms of maintaining a secure world absent of conflict.”

Interestingly, the White House released a press release on Saturday thanking China for its cooperation in securing the passage of a resolution in the United Nations Security Council on increased sanctions against North Korea. Trump is expected to make a state visit to China in November and Wang disclosed that preparations have begun.

Indian analysts simply do not get the point that the US-China relationship is in an altogether different league. Simply put, the single most crucial template of India’s strategy against China turns out to be delusional – that the US will confront China on India’s behalf.

Equally, Indian strategists never expected that post-Soviet Russia would bounce back on to the world stage. Through the past quarter-century, successive Indian governments have pursued a policy of benign neglect of relations with Russia, which are today in a state of atrophy. On the other hand, Russia-China relations are today at their highest point in decades.

Sadly, India’s “soft power” took a lethal blow during the past three-year period of the Hindu-nationalist government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. This is so not only in liberal Western opinion but also in the Muslim world. The violence against Muslims, the erosion in India’s secularist foundations, the mass upheaval in Kashmir have all received attention internationally. It is also useful to remember that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation represents 54 member countries of the United Nations.

Suffice to say, all these factors will come into play if a war ensues between India and China. India is not a match for China militarily, and in soft power too China may already have an advantage. By cocooning themselves in a fantasyland, Indians are too full of themselves in their refusal to be judged by international opinion – leave alone Chinese and its smaller South Asian neighbors’ opinions.

http://www.atimes.com/war-himalayas-will-expose-indias-soft-power/
 
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By M.K. BHADRAKUMAR AUGUST 10, 2017 2:22 PM

Suffice to say, all these factors will come into play if a war ensues between India and China. India is not a match for China militarily, and in soft power too China may already have an advantage. By cocooning themselves in a fantasyland, Indians are too full of themselves in their refusal to be judged by international opinion – leave alone Chinese and its smaller South Asian neighbors’ opinions.

http://www.atimes.com/war-himalayas-will-expose-indias-soft-power/


M.K. Bhadrakumar

M.K. Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for the Asia Times since 2001.
 
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First point some idiots even on the Indian side also makes. We dont need anybody support to stand for what's right in first place. We dont need US support or Russian ones. India, the fourth largest armed forces, second largest army is capable of holding fort I believe. We dont want war. India China interests are too much in convergance than divergence. We will shout for a few days for respective domestic audience and when the snow sets in 2 months time we would move on.
 
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A friendly advice to the neighbour's.

India will not be able to handle China. India will lose everything, it's economy will collapse, India will go decades backwards. It's better for India to listen and obey Chinese rules in the region for another few decades until India has some sort significant power to withstand the Chinese, who in time with the ageing population will be reduced in power. India for now has to be stepping back, get out Chinese target zone. Better for the hundreds of Millions below poverty Indians. India has huge huge issues in many areas, first deal with them than going head to head with the power China who are miles ahead in development.
 
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A friendly advice to the neighbour's.

India will not be able to handle China. India will lose everything, it's economy will collapse, India will go decades backwards. It's better for India to listen and obey Chinese rules in the region for another few decades until India has some sort significant power to withstand the Chinese, who in time with the ageing population will be reduced in power. India for now has to be stepping back, get out Chinese target zone. Better for the hundreds of Millions below poverty Indians. India has huge huge issues in many areas, first deal with them than going head to head with the power China who are miles ahead in development.
A friendly advice to the neighbour's.

India will not be able to handle China. India will lose everything, it's economy will collapse, India will go decades backwards. It's better for India to listen and obey Chinese rules in the region for another few decades until India has some sort significant power to withstand the Chinese, who in time with the ageing population will be reduced in power. India for now has to be stepping back, get out Chinese target zone. Better for the hundreds of Millions below poverty Indians. India has huge huge issues in many areas, first deal with them than going head to head with the power China who are miles ahead in development.


You are an inspiration for budding cheerleaders.
India as a nation is more than capable enough to give a bloody nose to the chinese should they do anything stupid
However I believe that China is a responsible nation and would never act like a war mongering nation.
God forbid they do anything otherwise tje Indian military is extremely potent and will give a real forceful reply to any chinese aggression.
 
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You are an inspiration for budding cheerleaders.
India as a nation is more than capable enough to give a bloody nose to the chinese should they do anything stupid
However I believe that China is a responsible nation and would never act like a war mongering nation.
God forbid they do anything otherwise tje Indian military is extremely potent and will give a real forceful reply to any chinese aggression.


And. You're an inspiration for the ignorant, blind bhakts who can't see anything clear well, out of their own zone.
Do you seriously think you can take on China and defeat them without being damaged heavily? good luck going back decades, with huge crises more ontop of the crises in poverty poor sanitation India already have.

And yeah, I'd happily be cheerleading for China, if I had to choice out of the two.
 
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A friendly advice to the neighbour's.

India will not be able to handle China. India will lose everything, it's economy will collapse, India will go decades backwards. It's better for India to listen and obey Chinese rules in the region for another few decades until India has some sort significant power to withstand the Chinese, who in time with the ageing population will be reduced in power. India for now has to be stepping back, get out Chinese target zone. Better for the hundreds of Millions below poverty Indians. India has huge huge issues in many areas, first deal with them than going head to head with the power China who are miles ahead in development.

Do you tell the same thing to the Pakistanis, when it comes to India Pakistan relationship? Or would you advice the same thing to the Chinese when it comes to US China relationship?
 
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A friendly advice to the neighbour's.

India will not be able to handle China. India will lose everything, it's economy will collapse, India will go decades backwards. It's better for India to listen and obey Chinese rules in the region for another few decades until India has some sort significant power to withstand the Chinese, who in time with the ageing population will be reduced in power. India for now has to be stepping back, get out Chinese target zone. Better for the hundreds of Millions below poverty Indians. India has huge huge issues in many areas, first deal with them than going head to head with the power China who are miles ahead in development.

Would your advice extend to Pakistanis who chose to challenge India ?
 
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A war in the Himalayas would expose India’s soft power

By M.K. Bhadrakumar August 10, 2017 2:22 PM

The Xinhua news agency and China Daily newspaper, two authoritative platforms of Chinese policies, held out warnings this week over the military standoff with India near the Sikkim border.

China Daily starkly wrote that the “window for a peaceful solution is closing. The countdown to a clash between the two forces has begun….” Xinhua said China’s “restraint has limits and with every day that passes the tether shortens.”

Should these warning be taken seriously? India stubbornly ignored similar warnings 55 years ago in a border war it resoundingly lost and the rest is history.


A war between India and China is improbable since neither side wants it. But below that threshold is a vast space where miscalculations can occur. Indians and Chinese are patriotic people, driven by nationalistic leaderships, and “territorial sovereignty” is a highly emotive issue. What’s alarming is that both governments have successfully rallied domestic opinion.

In China, perhaps, this wasn’t particularly difficult. But in India where a hundred flowers normally bloom, opinion is polarizing at an exceptional rate. It seems all Indians are rising in anger over Facebook posts supporting China’s position. But how could there be a contrarian opinion?

This holds dangers because hubris is a self-devouring monster. The plain truth is that India’s post-Cold War foreign policy calculus will be severely put to test for the first time if a conflict with China ensues. No country has backed India in its seven-week standoff with China. Indians all along fancied that they were leagues ahead of Chinese in “soft power” – yoga, Gandhi, snake charmers, etc. Apparently, that is not so.

It is particularly galling that the United States has not taken any posture favoring India. India’s post-Cold War strategic discourse is heavily laden with the blithe assumption that the US regards India as a “counterweight” to China. Meghnad Desai, a high-flying opinion maker in the English-speaking Delhi circuit, said last week:

“All things that follow now will have a lot to do with what happens in the South China Sea. The US has sent out enough signals. If there is war, it will be a US-China war, with India on the US side, in the South China Sea and in the Himalayas. This trio (India, China and the US) is a very combustible mixture right now.… Ultimately, you have to understand that India cannot stand up to China without American help and support. America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship.”

The sheer naiveté in the above passage sums up India’s misfortune. The Indians refuse to see the geopolitical realities. It doesn’t occur to them that US President Donald Trump will fight wars only if America’s interests are directly threatened. Why should he order the Pentagon to send the marines to the Himalayas or to dispatch a carrier battle group to hunt down Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean?

The one thing emerging out of the meeting in Manila last Friday between US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is that the two top diplomats did not waste time on the South China Sea or the Indian Ocean.

Tillerson told the media that North Korea was the main topic in his discussions and whatever extra “bit of reflection on the relationship” with China that took place was devoted to the four high-level dialogues between the two countries last April at the summit at Mar-a-Lago, Florida. That meeting, he said, is “really advancing our two countries’ understandings of the nature of this relationship … and how we should strive to strengthen this relationship so that it benefits the world in terms of maintaining a secure world absent of conflict.”

Interestingly, the White House released a press release on Saturday thanking China for its cooperation in securing the passage of a resolution in the United Nations Security Council on increased sanctions against North Korea. Trump is expected to make a state visit to China in November and Wang disclosed that preparations have begun.

Indian analysts simply do not get the point that the US-China relationship is in an altogether different league. Simply put, the single most crucial template of India’s strategy against China turns out to be delusional – that the US will confront China on India’s behalf.

Equally, Indian strategists never expected that post-Soviet Russia would bounce back on to the world stage. Through the past quarter-century, successive Indian governments have pursued a policy of benign neglect of relations with Russia, which are today in a state of atrophy. On the other hand, Russia-China relations are today at their highest point in decades.

Sadly, India’s “soft power” took a lethal blow during the past three-year period of the Hindu-nationalist government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. This is so not only in liberal Western opinion but also in the Muslim world. The violence against Muslims, the erosion in India’s secularist foundations, the mass upheaval in Kashmir have all received attention internationally. It is also useful to remember that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation represents 54 member countries of the United Nations.

Suffice to say, all these factors will come into play if a war ensues between India and China. India is not a match for China militarily, and in soft power too China may already have an advantage. By cocooning themselves in a fantasyland, Indians are too full of themselves in their refusal to be judged by international opinion – leave alone Chinese and its smaller South Asian neighbors’ opinions.

http://www.atimes.com/war-himalayas-will-expose-indias-soft-power/


There is a reason why razakars hate India and Bangladesh.

And. You're an inspiration for the ignorant, blind bhakts who can't see anything clear well, out of their own zone.
Do you seriously think you can take on China and defeat them without being damaged heavily? good luck going back decades, with huge crises more ontop of the crises in poverty poor sanitation India already have.

And yeah, I'd happily be cheerleading for China, if I had to choice out of the two.


Actually you are cheerleading for a country who was against you independence and have issues with all neighbours including Bhutan, where India is fighting for a small country. But on the other hand in recent deal with Bangladesh India gave away hundreds of kms of land to BD for border settlement.

You are always on the wrong side.
 
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