A Visit To India, A Lollypop To Pakistan

[TaimiKhan]

How much can US earn from India? How many jobs can Indian military projects create in US?

I am sure the Saudi Arabia orders will be far more beneficial than the Indian ones.

But the point here is more than defence deals. US now recognises India that India as the ONLY counterweight to China in the region and hence wants to increase its influence over here.

I do agree that they are doing for themselves but then aren't we suppose to be that way, dont all nations think for themselves first?

So, we can say, India is towing the US line of becoming a counter weight to China.

Or may be you guys can change the towing thing to some other strategic partnership or economical benefit jargon.

 

[Markus]

Had we been towing American line, by now80% of the army would have been in tribal region, American losses on the other side may have been low, which i seriously doubt, and US would have been preparing for Afghan exit, with a powerful pro-US & India Afghan govt in place with no worries of getting routed by Taliban.

Since, nothing of this sort has happened, it can clearly show, we are not fully towing American line.

But i guess its hopeless to tell that to you guys.

Well , I do think that Pakistan is playing its cards well.

Even then dont you think Pakistan is not getting the respect it deserves from the US?

If Pakistan decides on non-cooperation, there is where my point is, does Pakistan really have any further options?

 

[Markus]

It's more about perception than reality.

American jobs are going to India, not Saudi Arabia, and Obama is coming to show people that he is going to get something in return.

My friend, I still dont understand, how much can Indian orders really impact US economy.

Offlate, Indian cos like Infosys and TCS are also creating jobs in US in reasonable numbers.

 

[Aslan]

Well , I do thing that Pakistan is playing its cards well.

Even then dont you think Pakistan is not getting the respect it deserves from the US?

If Pakistan decides on non-cooperation, there is where my point is, does Pakistan really have any further options?

Well sir when is it has been that a non European ally of Americas except for the Australians and the Japs have really benefited from their friendship. They are the perfect example of a monkey friend who will chop off the others nose at the first opportunity.

 

[Markus]

Mind you with a correction india is not the only counter weight rather have sold her self as one. And whether it can hold her own in a fight to the end against China is still left to be seen.

So, we can say, India is towing the US line of becoming a counter weight to China.

Or may be you guys can change the towing thing to some other strategic partnership or economical benefit jargon.

China is going to be a super power soon.

India needs US support on multiple things and on muiltiple fronts, difficult too enlist all here.

There is nothing "selling" ourselves, its give and take.

Do you guys disagree that India will have enough leverage on all fronts in the coming few years.

 

[Markus]

Well sir when is it has been that a non European ally of Americas except for the Australians and the Japs have really benefited from their friendship. They are the perfect example of a monkey friend who will chop off the others nose at the first opportunity.

Same case cannot be applied to all.

India knows how to deal with the US...right from the Cold war.

 

[Aslan]

China is going to be a super power soon.

India needs US support on multiple things and on muiltiple fronts, difficult too enlist all here.

There is nothing "selling" ourselves, its give and take.

Do you guys disagree that India will have enough leverage on all fronts in the coming few years.

And that is exactly because they want to counter China, the day that is done and taken care of india will be dumped more quicker then the ugly GF. And that is something you dont understand now, but the time will come. When and how, we are all watching the movie.

 

[Markus]

So, we can say, India is towing the US line of becoming a counter weight to China.

Or may be you guys can change the towing thing to some other strategic partnership or economical benefit jargon.

Well its give and take, isn't it.

You scratch my back and I scratch yours. This applies to politics also.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Well , I do think that Pakistan is playing its cards well.

Even then dont you think Pakistan is not getting the respect it deserves from the US?

If Pakistan decides on non-cooperation, there is where my point is, does Pakistan really have any further options?

Nops, its not. Had we been, things would have been different.

Respect aside, we are not getting lot of things which we should have, especially for the mess the US has created.

War would be the only option that would be left, but i guess the world is not that simple nor are decisions that simple.

 

[Aslan]

Same case cannot be applied to all.

India knows how to deal with the US...right from the Cold war.

And so did every one else, what was indias position during the cold war and what is it now. You guys think that you are so smart that you have outsmarted the yanks, where as they are playing you as such as where they are making you believe that all is well. Live the dream my friend, we are right around the corner when you would need a shoulder to cry just call us.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Well its give and take, isn't it.

You scratch my back and I scratch yours. This applies to politics also.

Well, thanks for accepting that, i was expecting some other reply, but surprises are good sometimes.

But in our case, US wants that we only scratch its back, while they do nothing.

Good for India, that it has the power and will to not just scratch, rather take something in return too, that is how politics are played. And hope and am sure, India does not and will not suffer the way we have at the hands of US.

 

[justanobserver]

And that is exactly because they want to counter China, the day that is done and taken care of india will be dumped more quicker then the ugly GF. And that is something you dont understand now, but the time will come. When and how, we are all watching the movie.

Well, Turkey was included in the NATO for the purpose of countering Russia. They've used their relationship with USA quite well. Same could be said for South Korea/Taiwan/West Germany. Infact most of the US 'allies' ended up pretty well with excellent economies with the exception being Pakistan.


edit: I'm not saying that we want to be some bigshot strategic partner of US, heck we're hesitant to sign even the CISMOA !

 

[amigo]

And that is exactly because they want to counter China, the day that is done and taken care of india will be dumped more quicker then the ugly GF. And that is something you dont understand now, but the time will come. When and how, we are all watching the movie.

if china problem get sorted, india will not mind if U.S dumps us or not our headache will be over. in that case we should be thanking U.S in future

 

[Aslan]

Well, Turkey was included in the NATO for the purpose of countering Russia. They've used their relationship with USA quite well. Same could be said for South Korea/Taiwan/West Germany. Infact most of the US 'allies' ended up pretty well with excellent economies with the exception being Pakistan.

well if that is the case then I can easily say that they are screwing us up just because they hate us for being Muslims. Would you agree to that.

 

[Developereo]

My friend, I still dont understand, how much can Indian orders really impact US economy.

Like I said, it is more about perception than reality. The reason the Democrats are taking a beating is because of the economy and (Indian) outsourcing has become one of the scapegoats.

Offlate, Indian cos like Infosys and TCS are also creating jobs in US in reasonable numbers.

The vast majority of the people they hire are Indians, or recent immigrants, who will work for less wages. If anything, they contribute to the perception that Indians are taking away jobs, even the ones that stay in America.