A US-Vietnam Alliance? Not So Fast

[NiceGuy]

And Vietnam copied China

Nope. Ho CHi Minh studied the communist idea from SoViet at the same time with your chairman Mao

 

[dichoi]

And Vietnam copied China

It is no good. ...

 

[Jlaw]

It is no good. ...

We are doing fine thanks.

 

[Viet]

Yes sure Viet(sorry whats your real name bro?). But which great military power do you think Vietnam should ally with? there's is only one option as i said before and that's the U.S. So its up to vietnam to decide and ditch its delusional romance with Russia. The only other option for Vietnam is to seek to negotiate with China directly and be ready to make compromises. those are the only options i see.
Overall a peaceful resolution/negotiation to this will be the best option, as it will help poor countries with limited resources like Vietnam save money whcih is being wasted unnecessarily on buying militarily hardwares overseas while the country greatly needs these funds.
However, im also a realist, i know reality is different, so im sure this conflict/disputes will continue unfortunately.

You're right.

Surely, it's better to spend money on economy than military. But it is impossible if you live in a hostile environment where a big but aggressive neighbor claims 90 per cent of south china sea.

It is china who seeks confrontation. Latest actions suggest she wants to dictate and not negotiate. Ideally we reach a deal with them on the negotiating table, but it seems impossible. China speculates she will get more if she resorts to violence. It is understandable, due to china sheer economic and military superiority over vietnam. The latter chinese still have to prove in real combats.

We will reach a good deal if we are in a strong position. America and Japan are the perfect partners of choice to achieve that goal.

We are living in a crazy world. Actually, war is the last thing we want. We had enough throughout our history. We are fed up. But we have no choice but increase our military capacity and capability.

 

[Viet]

Those self-righteous Asian nations never truly learned the history.

Only China has devoid any strategic myopia because we are the original founder of the East Asian civilization and the home country of Sun Tzu.

Your history in the last 200 years gives you no reason to be proud of. It is full of ugliness. A bit of introspection would be helpful.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Your history in the last 200 years gives you no reason to be proud of. It is full of ugliness. A bit of introspection would be helpful.

Every nation has the cycle of glory and downfall.

But given the fact we have lasted for over 5000 years, and still remain the same civilization, this is something unprecedented.

And also keep in mind that we are now rising again.

 

[ANMDT]

When we buy weapon from someone, they must promise to VN that there is No kill switch chips inside. As u can see, in 1979 was between Vn-China, we used lots of China's weapons and still killed PLA troops well.

Do you really believe on those only with a " promise " thats a bit awkward.
What i mean isnt about kill switches,and thats a fact , weapon supply countries always using kill switches. But i mention about electronic warfare, once your equipment's data is give to china ( communications ,like radar , seeker , and sub systems of devices ) , so your critical equipments will be just "offline " .
In China war , equipments used usually was around on mechanized parts, 35 years passed almost ,war wont be in same way like it was.

Every nation has the cycle of glory and downfall.

But given the fact we have lasted for over 5000 years, and still remain the same civilization, this is something unprecedented.

And also keep in mind that we are now rising again.

there are too many nations to exist that long time, like turks , arabs , romans ,persians , and frenks . and china get many downs in history,and some ups again . Like some other nations . Actually " human kind" lastes too long time with too many nations

 

[United westand]

Every nation has the cycle of glory and downfall.

But given the fact we have lasted for over 5000 years, and still remain the same civilization, this is something unprecedented.

And also keep in mind that we are now rising again.

Are you sure any last longer than dinosaurs?

 

[NiceGuy]

Do you really believe on those only with a " promise " thats a bit awkward.
What i mean isnt about kill switches,and thats a fact , weapon supply countries always using kill switches. But i mention about electronic warfare, once your equipment's data is give to china ( communications ,like radar , seeker , and sub systems of devices ) , so your critical equipments will be just "offline " .
In China war , equipments used usually was around on mechanized parts, 35 years passed almost ,war wont be in same way like it was.

People could make a very good missile to fly to the Moon in 1969, US also could make a nuke carrier during Vn war, so its ur mistake to think that the current weapons r far better than weapons during Vn war. In fact, the weapons r just more accurate with longer range but not more powerful.

So, we still can use weapons of 35 years ago to fight against China and win as usual, but our casualties will surely very high. Russia can sell our weapons secret to China, but we wont lose,when Russia surely will lose a good customer ( a good friend,too) .

With US weapon embargo lift, we can buy weapons from other nations , we currently have some Israel missile too.

 

[ANMDT]

People could make a very good missile to fly to the Moon in 1969, US also could make a nuke carrier during Vn war, so its ur mistake to think that the current weapons r far better than weapons during Vn war. In fact, the weapons r just more accurate with longer range but not more powerful.

So, we still can use weapons of 35 years ago to fight against China and win as usual, but our casualties will surely very high. Russia can sell our weapons secret to China, but we wont lose,when Russia surely will lose a good customer ( a good friend,too) .

With US weapon embargo lift, we can buy weapons from other nations , we currently have some Israel missile too.

Lots of things changed with weapons, electronic application increased, all the system inside a missile turned into running computer rather than pressure based trajectory missiles.
35 years ago's weapons wont have any use nowadays if its not against a land invasion, both in sea and air all those systems will be useless unless upgraded ( once its upgraded will have similar critical systems far apart from old mechanics),( dont forget Russia always make some export versions, so they wont have some harm by delivering data to China )

No worries you wont change your opinion even Russia gives the data in hand of china , even VN technician, jet pilots , and some critical soldiers like engineers being trained in Russia.
Some "israel" missile wont save the VN against China, and US embargo lift wont bring anythinh too , there is a backbone of men in VN's head who decides everything and there is a incoming group will dominate it 20 years at least ,if they arent removed in some other way.
85pct oe even 90 pct of your weapons from Russia, lastly will have some new ships and submarine from them too.

 

[dichoi]

We are doing fine thanks.

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[ANMDT]

Nope. Ho CHi Minh studied the communist idea from SoViet at the same time with your chairman Mao

SoViet = SoPity to hear this illustration, to accept soviets within yourself this much.

Are you sure any last longer than dinosaurs?

Thats a true fact, china is one of the oldest nation in the world lets not ignore this

 

[NiceGuy]

Lots of things changed with weapons, electronic application increased, all the system inside a missile turned into running computer rather than pressure based trajectory missiles.
35 years ago's weapons wont have any use nowadays if its not against a land invasion, both in sea and air all those systems will be useless unless upgraded ( once its upgraded will have similar critical systems far apart from old mechanics),( dont forget Russia always make some export versions, so they wont have some harm by delivering data to China )

We can fire our old missile Scud with the range of 550km-700km or Shaddock missile (550km) to the islands in SCS(east sea) to destroy China troops too, and Russia dont have kill switch in our Scud coz we got Scud tech transfer from North Korea so we can produce it as many as we want now.

So, we still win if China dare to attack our islands in SCS(east sea) coz they can not set up anti-ship missile system in those small rocks.

So, Russia wont sell our weapon information to China, coz it doesnt help China to win VN in SCS(east sea), but they surely will lost a good customer

 

[United westand]

We can fire our old missile Scud with the range of 550km-700km or Shaddock missile (550km) to the islands in SC(east sea) to destroy China troops too, and Russia dont have kill switch in our Scud coz we got Scud tech transfer from North Korea so we can produce it as much as we want now.

Vietnam never plan to do so, friend !!!

 

[NiceGuy]

Vietnam never plan to do so, friend !!!

Just in case our Su-30, S-300, Kilos doesnt work coz Russia sell our weapon information to China.