A Time Will Come, Muslims In India Will Have To Form Their Own National Party: Kancha Ilaiah

[gau8av]

India should be partitioned into many countries so South Asia can enjoy peace. Only Tamil Nadu for Hindus. Other lands are for Maoists, Muslims and Sikhs.

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this thread was in dire need of some comic relief, xiexie

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Having a national party based on one religion is not a good idea.

That seems like a sure-fire way to further social division.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

That would have been true if there was no partition. Having given away land for Muslims of India on their own demand, they had no tenable rights on the rest of the land that constitutes India. It was the graciousness of Hindus to allow Muslims live in India. We have every right to be patronizing..

I agree, however you cannot continue to place that burden on the muslims who were born in free India. They are as much Indian citizen and have as much claim on all resources as anybody else.

They can do a lot more to become part of main stream society, but then again, so can the hindus.

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No, Muslims cannot be part of everyone here. It is Muslims versus everyone else..

Not true, they can be a part of everyone here if they choose to be. Abdul Kalam was very much part of us. Just one example out of a million.

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Again, this canard that they chose to stay here out of selfless principle needs to be discarded as fast as possible. They did not migrate mostly because it was not economically feasible nor was a sense of urgency there because population transfers were allowed to go on for a long time. By the time Bangaldesh happened, Muslims of India seem to have had a change of mind. Every single consideration of their was based on selfishness and opportunism as it has always been.

Muslims like to have their cake and eat it too, too bad they have been allowed to get away with it for so long.

Again I agree. However once having made that choice they became part of our society. For better or for worse.

Having a national party based on one religion is not a good idea.

That seems like a sure-fire way to further social division.

That is correct. Political and Judicial emancipation should never be based on religion or any other division belief.

 

[ayesha.a]

Muslims are equal citizens because the nation has not discriminated against you.

Or you.

all sects are more free in India than many Muslim countries.

Correct.

But you need to remember no leader of the Muslim community went to prison during the Independence Movement. India was won with the blood and toil of kafirs. You did not care enough to fight for the country though you line up to fight for your religion.

You have a lot ot learn about the independence movement. Suffice to say, you are wrong.

Can you deny that 80% of the world trouble spots have Muslims on at least one side of the fight, in many cases both sides are Muslims.

Could you explain how you arrived at that figure of 80%? Or is this a case of 84% of all statistics being made up on the spot?

But yes, many islamic regions are troubled and war torn. I did not deny that. But so? Why do I have to answer for other islamic countries? I am only interested in India and the USA. If you want to gloat over Syria or Iraq, do so with Syrians or Iraqis. I cannot and will not answer on their behalf, just as a British Christian cannot and need not answer on behalf of the Phalange militia.

We all have to suffer because your people ran planes into buildings and blow up innocents.

They were not "my people", any more than they were yours. Should I hold you responsible for every crime committed by somebody who follows your religion?

Yes, I know you cannot be held responsible for every action by every Muslim sociopath, but what is deafening is the silence from so called liberal Muslim society when other Muslims behave badly and get away with it and the screeching when an innocent Muslim gets blamed.

I am not speaking on behalf of "the muslim community". As I mentioned before, nobody has the legitimacy to do that, just as nobody has the legitimacy to speak on behalf of "the hindu community".

Don't think we don't see the difference. It makes us suspicious that this is just talk and all this liberal stuff is only skin deep.

The day you can stop thinking of everything as us v/s them, is the day you will appreciate my stance.

Too many Muslims disrespect other religions on a casual basis yet expect extreme respect for theirs.

Take it up with "those muslims".

I have heard liberal and very wealthy Muslims criticizing the likes of Zakir Naik but again the weight of your population attend his rallies. Shame on you.

Shame on me because other people attend that lunatic's rallies? Once more, all I can tell you is to stop viewing everybody through a communal lens. We are all individuals humans, not a chaotic, collective mass.

Sorry, but I will not feel ashamed just because other people attend the rallies of Mr Zakir Naik, for whom I have nothing but contempt.

What you are stating here about Muslim Law is not correct.

In criminal cases, there is no muslim law and all citizens are judged under IPC. Muslims could not rely on Muslim law board for justice in case on criminal cases.

Personal laws are a subset of civil laws, and concern themselves with with marriage and inheritance. Here a muslim, barring conversion to some other religion, does not have recourse of Indian courts. He/She would be treated be judged by sharia courts only. He/She could marry under special marriage act, but for inheritance, he/she has to submit to sharia court.

UCC aims to do away with Sharia courts ,and institute uniform laws for all citizens. It is a good law , and it is not discriminatory on religious basis.

I know all that, and that is the reason it is called "muslim personal law board".

 

[wolfschanzze]

Having a national party based on one religion is not a good idea.

That seems like a sure-fire way to further social division.

Are you going to teach them about Common Sense and foresight? Like your Iron Brothers?

Or you.
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Ayesha.a ji are you married?
Here i dedicate a slow jam mix for you

 

[Bitter Melon]

I agree, however you cannot continue to place that burden on the muslims who were born in free India. They are as much Indian citizen and have as much claim on all resources as anybody else.

They can do a lot more to become part of main stream society, but then again, so can the hindus.

We can and we will. Who are their heroes? Who are their villains? What has changed for them in all these years? You can continue to be Mother Kindness and ignore all this.

Not true, they can be a part of everyone here if they choose to be. Abdul Kalam was very much part of us. Just one example out of a million.

They have not chosen to be. They will never choose to be. They demand segregation by their exclusivity and then complain. There is a reason they live in ghettos everywhere in the world.

Again I agree. However once having made that choice they became part of our society. For better or for worse.

They will be kept under watch and the society will remain vigilant for ever against them. That is the price they pay for being who they are.