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WASHINGTON: An Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear sites would amount to a roll of the dice against elusive targets, drawing in the United States if the gamble fell short, analysts and former US military officers say.

Iran’s air defenses and aging fighters would be no match for Israel’s high-tech aircraft and cyber warfare, but the outcome of a raid would largely hinge on intelligence and whether Tehran is able to hide key elements of its uranium enrichment network.

Israel’s military has earned a reputation for lightning assaults that blindside their enemies, but the Iranian nuclear program presents a much more complicated task for Israel compared to previous raids that took out reactors in Iraq and Syria.

In 1981, Israeli fighters destroyed an Iraqi atomic reactor in Osirak without losing a plane and in 2007 the Israelis are widely believed to have knocked out a clandestine reactor in Syria.

But flying fighter jets 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) all the way to Iran would stretch Israel’s limited supply of aerial refueling aircraft, while Tehran’s dispersed, hidden nuclear sites — including a facility dug into the side of a mountain — present a daunting challenge.

“This is not a pinpoint, single target, one strike and it’s over,” said William Fallon, a retired navy admiral who led US Central Command in 2007-8.

An assault designed to delay Iran’s nuclear work would be “very difficult” partly because the Iranians have “been pretty clever about distributing stuff,” Fallon told an audience Thursday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

Unlike in Syria or Iraq, Iran’s nuclear program does not have a single vulnerable point that, if hit, would leave the project crippled for years.

Iran has developed the know-how to enrich uranium and a supporting industrial network to build centrifuges, which it has worked to conceal. As a result, Iran could potentially withstand a bombing campaign and still have enough centrifuge components and assembly plants to renew uranium enrichment work, analysts said.

“Equipment to make centrifuges can be moved relatively quickly. Centrifuge components that are finished can easily be moved and probably are. So what you may know one month, it may not be good the next month,” said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security.

“If they (Iranians) feel that a strike is imminent they may move a lot of things… That’s really the question, how much do the Israelis know about the program?” he told AFP.

Amid growing speculation that Israel may strike at Iran, the potential success of such a raid is the subject of intense debate in and outside the US military, but there is wide agreement that — at best — an attack would postpone and not paralyze Tehran’s nuclear project.

Experts are assessing how long an Israeli attack could be sustained, how effective the bombing would be and what ultimate goal would be achieved.

Israel would need its entire fleet of about 125 high-end American-made fighter jets, including its 101 F-16Is and 24 F-15Is, to carry out such an ambitious raid, as well as all eight of its KC-707 refueling tankers, said Scott Johnson, an analyst at IHS Jane’s defense consultants.

“They would use everything they have. Everything would be ready and everything would be in play,” Johnson said.

Israeli fighter jets, using precision-guided bombs, cruise missiles and air-to-ground missiles, would likely be focusing on crucial links in the nuclear program, including an underground uranium enrichment center in Natanz, a centrifuge plant in Tehran and the recently revealed Fardow facility built into the side of mountain near Qom.

The Fardow site lies at least 80 meters (260 feet) underground and likely beyond the reach of even America’s most powerful conventional bomb.

Israel would be under pressure to stage a quick attack, as any operation extending beyond one night could open the way to untenable military and political risks, said Daniel Levy, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation think tank.

“Both for technical and political reasons, the capacity for several repeat runs is a stretch,” said Levy, who worked in Ehud Barak’s Israeli government in 1999-2001.

Apart from triggering massive diplomatic fallout, a prolonged attack over days would remove any surprise element and Iran’s air defenses would have a better chance of countering Israeli warplanes, Western officials said.

A job half-finished, with Iran’s nuclear program bruised but not battered, could pull America into the fray with Tehran staging retaliatory strikes against Israel and attacks on US targets.

“When Israel games this scenario, strongly built into that is that America gets dragged into this,” Levy said.

A strike on Iran would pose tough test for Israelis – The Express Tribune
 
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American Jews, so called experts inflating Israeli capacities, talking about tough test ,I will rather say tough thought. Talking about a tough test, I will rather say a tough thought.

When they attacked Osiraq it was coordinated with the US satellites and it was mostly an American strike executed by Israelis, or even probably some Americans since they have dual nationalities, and the cooperation of many nations from Europe and from the region.
The strike on Syria's supposedly nuclear site was a false strike since it was proven afterward that it was a textile factory, meaning they were no air defences, and just prior to Syria receiving the Pantsir and other sophisticated Air defence weapons.

They are talking -If you have also noticed without any logic, just inflated egos talking- about attacking Iran as if they will be the only ones in the skies or as if Iran can't intercept them, forgetting all about the battle in the skies the missiles the AAs the Radars an so on...they are scared of loosing all their striking air force without achieving any or most of their objectives, that is why they talking a lot about dragging in the US.
But the US is in no position to go to war(they now seek a way out of Afghanistan, they are even asking the government to protect their troops) and they know the Jews to be suicidal and irrational.
 
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Israel would need its entire fleet of about 125 high-end American-made fighter jets, including its 101 F-16Is and 24 F-15Is, to carry out such an ambitious raid, as well as all eight of its KC-707 refueling tankers, said Scott Johnson, an analyst at IHS Jane’s defense consultants.
i wonder if iran could ambush them before they get to iran with the best anti air they have that depends on ther route
 
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i wonder if iran could ambush them before they get to iran with the best anti air they have that depends on ther route
no mate, no need to ambush something that can't get anywhere near its targets.

According to this report, such a mission would require around 135 jets. I've personally seen estimates of about 300 by most experts, but let's go with 135, around 10 of which will be refuel planes. The refuel planes are target practice for any air defence. The fighter jets will need to slow down to refuel so they will also be found easily in the sky. Also, the distance between the two extreme points of Iran is the same as Israel to the Southern borders of Iran, where the Bushehr facility is. If they want to get up North to take out Fordo, Arak and other research facilities, they would have to cross the entire country.

In the Osiraq mission they sent 7 jets, no refuel planes, that flew meters above the desert ground. The reactor was unfinished and damaged by Iranian attacks. Iran and the US both helped Israel to take it out.

The two situations are completely different. Iran has the highest points in the Middle East (highest points above sea level I mean) so there is no way they can fly low to the ground, all the reactors and enrichment facilities are live (if targetted, radiation would go as far as India), most Iranian facilities are deep underground, all the facilities are dispersed in a country bigger than Alaska, there are tens of facilities, Iran can target Israel with ballistic missles... The list goes on.

There is only one country on earth that can attack Iran and that's the US.
 
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i wonder if iran could ambush them before they get to iran with the best anti air they have that depends on ther route
There is another way: We can destroy all their Air bases in Israel with missiles while their fighters are still in the skies,so they have to land in Saudi Arabian deserts.;)
 
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found this on the net yesterday

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If this scenario should accrue I hope Iran bomb all of these bases as-well and not be limited to israhell only
 
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Israeli military may have lightining attack reputation but iran aint syria or iraq. iran will be israels biggest nightmare. the iranian response is gonna be big if attacked n belive me pakistan will have no option but to help. i have a feeling an attack on iran would kick off world war 3, predicted by albert pike (by the way he said WW3 would erupt from the middle east) so it makes sense if iran is attacked.
 
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Israeli military may have lightining attack reputation but iran aint syria or iraq. iran will be israels biggest nightmare. the iranian response is gonna be big if attacked n belive me pakistan will have no option but to help. i have a feeling an attack on iran would kick off world war 3, predicted by albert pike (by the way he said WW3 would erupt from the middle east) so it makes sense if iran is attacked.

trust me Pakistan will not support Iran militarily, they dont even need our help in that regard. the only help would be "OHH YOU DID THAT!? Good Job!!!" and a pet on the back* thats all we can give to Iran.


on topic - A strike on Iran would mean the End of Zionist regime!
 
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The strike on Syria's supposedly nuclear site was a false strike since it was proven afterward that it was a textile factory, meaning they were no air defences, and just prior to Syria receiving the Pantsir and other sophisticated Air defence weapons.
First of all it was proved that its nuclear site:

Syria tried to build nuclear reactor, says head of IAEA | News.com.au

Secondly only retard would believe that thick walled concret building in middle of nowhere is "textile factory".

Thirdly Syrian authorities instead to invite journalists to the site immideately after attack, called bulldozers and destroyed all traces of the facasility.
 
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First of all it was proved that its nuclear site:

Syria tried to build nuclear reactor, says head of IAEA | News.com.au

Secondly only retard would believe that thick walled concret building in middle of nowhere is "textile factory".

Thirdly Syrian authorities instead to invite journalists to the site immideately after attack, called bulldozers and destroyed all traces of the facasility.
So you bombed Syria because they were making nuclear reactor?Whats the problem with that?You mean only Israel has a right to build reactors?
Maybe Syria or Iraq were some easy targets,but Iran is not,because right after an Israeli plane enters Iran's air space,i assure you Dimona will turn in to ashes after a bit.
 
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Israel would need its entire fleet of about 125 high-end American-made fighter jets, including its 101 F-16Is and 24 F-15Is, to carry out such an ambitious raid, as well as all eight of its KC-707 refueling tankers, said Scott Johnson, an analyst at IHS Jane’s defense consultants.

If Israel does this, they are going to lose a LOT of their fighter jets.

And they won't even be able to hit the underground facilities, let alone destroy them.

So what is the point?
 
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If Israel does this, they are going to lose a LOT of their fighter jets.

And they won't even be able to hit the underground facilities, let alone destroy them.

So what is the point?
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The strongest bunker busters in the American arsenal are said to be ineffective (Source). Even these ineffective bunker busters can't be fitted on Israeli jets. The US is building stronger ones.

there are a ton of reasons why the Israelis will sit and watch us achieve greatness.
 
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USA still recovering form recession. Still a lot of unemployed people around. War with Iran will be chaotic for USA's shaky economy. Mass disturbance will hit the street due to absence of basic commodities because gasoline price will go up $10 per gallon. Not a pretty picture.

But I wonder, what will be the role of Hezbollah in case Zionists regime attack?
 
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Report: US troops in Yemeni island for Iran war


A report has revealed that thousands of US troops have arrived in the Yemeni island of Socotra for a possible military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.


The troops built up comes a few months after the announcement of the creation of a US Army base near Yemeni waters, Islam Today website reported.

This is while Yemen had said that it rejected a deal with Washington for having a temporary military base in the island.

Socotra, which is situated 80 kilometers east of the Horn of Africa and 380 kilometers southeast of the Yemeni coastline, lies athwart the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

The United States has been quietly building giant air force and naval bases on Socotra since 2010 with facilities for submarines, intelligence command centers and take-off pads for flying stealth drones.

The secret Socotra facilities are never mentioned in any catalogue listing US military facilities in this part of the world, which include Jebel Ali and al-Dahfra in the United Arab Emirates; Arifjan in Kuwait; and al-Udeid in Qatar.

The US and Israel have repeatedly threatened Tehran with the "option" of a military strike, saying Iran's nuclear program may include a covert military aspect, a claim strongly rejected by Tehran.

Meanwhile, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has never found any evidence indicating that Tehran's civilian nuclear program has been diverted towards nuclear weapons production.


PressTV - Report: US troops in Yemeni island for Iran war
 
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