A Strange Case of Doppelgangers: Hitler and Gandhi in India

[Koovie]

LOL. You are pathetic.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Prajapati]

Thanks for proving my point

That you are a convenient tool for me ? ...... I was not aware you took so much pride in being my tool

 

[gslv]

those who say british better than nazi
plz follow the link
Orissa famine of 1866 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
many ppl may not be knowing it , it killed 1 million ppl due to govt apathy.

 

[Prajapati]

those who say british better than nazi
plz follow the link
Orissa famine of 1866 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
many ppl may not be knowing it , it killed 1 million ppl due to govt apathy.

How about 1857 ?

India's secret history: 'A holocaust, one where millions disappeared...' | World news | The Guardian

"..........there was an "untold holocaust" which caused the deaths of almost 10 million people over 10 years beginning in 1857 ".

 

[wolfschanzze]

Lol at syedali quoting an article blaming Bhagvat Geeta for nazi atrocities. They must remember krishna never asked Arjun to kill women and children. Shall I quote another holy book which also somehow related to terrorism these days?? Shall I? Then negative rating and banning will follow. That verse from Geeta is beyond your comprehensive power. Krishna meant whatever you do do it without attachment. Can you study properly if you think about your results all the time. Like I said you are quite hateful towards dharmic faiths and that's evident. @SarthakGanguly @wolfschanzze, @doppelganger, just look at the irony of syedali. Blaming geeta for nazi atrocities.

Infact in Mahabharata it was
Ashwatthama who unleashed the Brahma Astra to wipe out all Pandavas lineage.Most of the Pandavas children were destroyed and Lord Krishna saved the last offspring in the womb of Uttara,He was Parikshit by using his Sudarshana Chakra to guard againt Brahma astra.
For that reason as a warrior who unleashed his weaponry on Civilian population with the intent to commit Genocide of a lineage was cursed by Lord Krishna.That he will live for eternity and forever feel the pain for committing such act.

Our rules of war were clear ,we fought on Dharmic principles.We never Targeted the Civilian Population no matter what.
That is how Prithvi Raj chauhan lost, because he thought opponent will also fight on Dharmic Principles.
But Shivaji Maharaj changed the scenario and made these Mughals run for the hills.He fought Ambush by Ambush and Guerilla Warfare, while Mughals only saw Kshatriyas charging into battle with a kill or be killed zeal this threw them off guard.
In his rule though he never harmed Civilians.These Mughal Descendants should know we always fight fair.Even now after Liberating East Pakistan,Our army didn't start killing/Torturing those 90,000 Pows of Pakistan or go raping the Civilian population of Bangladesh.History is our witness.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

There is an excerpt you might find interesting to read:

Slavoj Žižek, while delivering a lecture at Institute for sociology and philosophy, University of Ljubljana, Slovenia, explains how SS head Heinrich Himmler used The Bhagavad Gita’s meanings to justify killings, without any moral remorse. “You need this type of a vision to enable you to do the horrors”, Zizek says. The Nazi soldiers carried out genocides, killed women and children, and committed unimaginable horrors, the problem was – how to enable the soldiers to do this ‘without becoming beasts’. In Bhagavad Gita, Arjuna has doubts while in the battlefield – ‘Do I have the right? thousands will die’, and Lord Krishna convinces him of the legitimacy of the violence he was to inflict. He explains how material realities are just appearances, true reality is the reality of your self (aatma) – “What you can destroy ‘deserves to perish’. Don’t get involved”. Zizek sees this as a good totalitarian propaganda when it’s difficult to carry out such violence. Himmler’s argument to convince soldiers suffering from pangs of conscience and ethical doubt was that - ‘most people could do great things for the country, even lay down their lives, but a true hero is the one who is ready to lose his soul for the country, to do horrible things for it. The true greatness is to elevate yourself above this temptation of ‘ordinary humanity’, true ethical greatness is when for a higher cause, you are ready to act beyond good and evil’.

It is all too relatable in the present context as we see a renewed popularity in totalitarian and fascist worldviews, be it in the form of Hindutva or Islamic fundamentalism (Islamic State et al) etc.

Lord Krishna's Gita Saar As Nazi Justification For Killing 6Mn Jews, Slavoj Žižek Explains

It is interesting to see that certain scholars have already started to compare Hindutva with Islamic fundamentalism seen with ISIS. No wonder Obama had to give a lecture to his guests on their mistreatment of minorities.

Hinduism is Nazism. I knew it. I wish I could promote you. A hundred like you in a country, and the country will never stand on her feet.

Btw it's not Hindutva, it's Hinduism that Gita is a part of.

 

[Donatello]

lot of people admire hitler in India... and we dont feel touchy about jews or holocust like europeans do.. it did not happen in our backyard and did not affect us directly... people still remember auranzeb as pure evil(hindus and sikhs do, muslims dont) , even though he ruled centuries ago, much before hitler.
I tried to explain that to a german tourist... who might have not only seen mein kampf sold on street, he must have seen Indians bringing hitler into conversation(but in a positive 'oh you from germany... hitler?.... err bmw? .. nice room sir do you want hotel?" ).... he was not happy with my explanation..

For once i agree with you........Hitler and what he did might have been bad....but he didn't kill those millions with his personal side arm....he was able to garner rave support and his nation backed him.....along with the Italians......besides, dating back from 1945, Europe has been at war for 2000 years......
The Holocaust has been blown in proportion...for self serving interests....i mean...the Japanese killed more than that in their invasion of China....but you will not find details on that in US history books.
Soviet Red Army was the one that liberated Berlin and hence Europe from the clutches of the Nazis......and the Concentration camps.....western allies were still far away.....yet for the next 45 years, we were taught that the Soviet Union is the bad guy.
What i mean to say is, i would want to read Mein Kampf and have my own opinion.....just because there is a book that Hitler authored...so it cannot be sold...that doesn't make any sense. But, we have the ignorant and idiots in large amounts.

 

[livingdead]

For once i agree with you........Hitler and what he did might have been bad....but he didn't kill those millions with his personal side arm....he was able to garner rave support and his nation backed him.....along with the Italians......besides, dating back from 1945, Europe has been at war for 2000 years......
The Holocaust has been blown in proportion...for self serving interests....i mean...the Japanese killed more than that in their invasion of China....but you will not find details on that in US history books.
Soviet Red Army was the one that liberated Berlin and hence Europe from the clutches of the Nazis......and the Concentration camps.....western allies were still far away.....yet for the next 45 years, we were taught that the Soviet Union is the bad guy.
What i mean to say is, i would want to read Mein Kampf and have my own opinion.....just because there is a book that Hitler authored...so it cannot be sold...that doesn't make any sense. But, we have the ignorant and idiots in large amounts.

No, I was not absolving hitler of anything that is attributed to him, he ordered killing of his own people on industrial scale, that is infinitely evil (not attacking other countries or dropping bombs on london... nothing special about war others started when they felt)
The point I was making was, we dont feel as strongly about the whole WW2 thing as europeans do. It did not happen in our backyard, surely some went to fight in distant land, but hardly any bomb dropped on us.
And then, we were fighting for independence, and hitler was also fighting same power. The idea that hitler was seen as charismatic leader who was single handedly fighting the whole world including the british(something that people also said about saddam) is what makes his personality attractive to Indians.
I never read about holocust in history books, independence effort has been described in much great details, but world war 2 is just a chapter with series of events. So there is gap in knowledge about european history and the context.
I wish more Indians come to know about world history, but to demand such knowledge from people of third world country is silly, and slightly eurocentric view.

 

[syedali73]

What i mean to say is, i would want to read Mein Kampf and have my own opinion.....just because there is a book that Hitler authored...so it cannot be sold...that doesn't make any sense. But, we have the ignorant and idiots in large amounts.

There is nothing wrong about reading a book no matter who authored it. Problem is with finding inspirations and justifications from that book or the person who authored it for one's own fascist beliefs and actions. Hitler went on with killing tens of thousands (lets believe the holocaust was blown out of pr potion) of Jews, gypsies, disables etc in order to bring about a superior race that was not only racially but ideologically uniform. That is what Hindutvadis are after, and find inspirations and justifications from the ideology and actions of Hitler's Nazi fascism. You perhaps did not read the last paragraph:

The fate of Indian Muslims was sealed in 1937: as Golwalkar put it unequivocally, “the foreign elements in Hindusthan” had but “two courses” of action open to them, entertaining “no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e., of the Hindu nation and must lose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race,” or they were to live “wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment not even citizen’s rights.” In all this, Golwalkar held up Germany as a country that might usefully be emulated by India: “Germany has also shown how impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.”

So essentially Mr. Golwalkar (and the Hindutva fascists) is suggesting that all the minorities in India must be eliminated and their cultures eradicated, like Nazi did to the minorities in Germany. You approve of that?

I hope this clears up the POV of this idiot and ignorant. Cheers mate.

 

[Donatello]

There is nothing wrong about reading a book no matter who authored it. Problem is with finding inspirations and justifications from that book or the person who authored it for one's own fascist beliefs and actions. Hitler went on with killing tens of thousands (lets believe the holocaust was blown out of pr potion) of Jews, gypsies, disables etc in order to bring about a superior race that was not only racially but ideologically uniform. That is what Hindutvadis are after, and find inspirations and justifications from the ideology and actions of Hitler's Nazi fascism. I hope this clears up the POV of this idiot and ignorant. Cheers mate.

Fine, but i'd rather read a book written by Hitler himself so i can get into his mind, what he was thinking and why, and then piece together what happened....rather than relying on some else to do that for me. I love autobiographies for a reason.....they give me close insight into how the mind of that person works...and why he/she does what they do.

 

[syedali73]

Fine, but i'd rather read a book written by Hitler himself so i can get into his mind, what he was thinking and why, and then piece together what happened....rather than relying on some else to do that for me. I love autobiographies for a reason.....they give me close insight into how the mind of that person works...and why he/she does what they do.

Hitler's actions and their consequences for the world in general and Europe in particular have become the part of the history, and I believe (perhaps you do too) that actions speak louder than words.

 

[Donatello]

His actions and their consequences for Europe in general and the rest of the world in particular have become the part of the history, and I believe (perhaps you do too) that actions speak louder than words.

Yes i do too.....and no way am i justifying what Hitler did.....i hope that's not what you got from my post. Anyway, History is ridden with mass slaughter in one case or other.....we should learn from that, not repeat that.