A Split Within the Taliban?

[A1Kaid]

I have been analyzing and focusing on the critical events that have unfolded the past years relating to the "War On Terror", Coalition Forces, US, India, Pakistan, and the Taliban's role in the region.

Several years ago, the Taliban served as a strategic and pro-Pakistani asset of the ISI, today it appears the Taliban have betrayed us and are seeking to harm Pakistan...So we are told and so is what we see on the surface.

Mullah Omar once said in a video his Taliban would not wage war or attacks against Pakistan. He had sworn that he would not fight a fellow Muslim country especially a country that supported Afghanistan in many ways.



Fast forward to 2009.


Today there is a new figure in the "new" Taliban or TTP (Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan) and that man is "Baitullah Mehsud".

If we monitor and examine, the rise of Baitullah Mehsud and his TTP we also examine higher rates of attacks against Pakistan. However, these rates were low in fact pretty much close to "0" under the original Taliban commander Mullah Omar.

This Baitullah Mehsud is a imposture an infiltrator and a brain-washer, he has manipulated militants to fight and wage war against Pakistan and it's people in the name of their cause...



I ask you this, who is leading this TTP? Baitullah Mehsud

Why is it that there is a correlation between the rise of Baitullah Mehsud and his TTP and the attacks against Pakistan by this "new" Taliban-like entity...?

Why did we not experience these same attacks during Mullah Omar's control of the Taliban during 2000-2004 these attacks began mostly after 2007+...




What I am suggesting is there is a Split Within the Taliban.




There is an article I offer you to read.


Mullah Omar sacks Baitullah Mehsud for fighting against Pak Army


By Mohit Joshi on Sat, 01/26/2008 -07:38. Lahore, Pakistan

Lahore, Jan 26: Taliban supreme commander Mullah Mohammed Omar has sacked Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Baitullah Mehsud for fighting against the Pakistan Army instead of with the NATO forces.

Mullah Omar has maintained while sacking Baitullah that all the Taliban commanders should turn their venom against the NATO forces stationed in Afghanistan.

According to well-placed Pakistani intelligence sources, the sacking comes at a time when the Musharraf regime has launched an intense military operation against Baitullah in South Waziristan. Mullah Omar had himself appointed Baitullah as TTP chief.

Baitullah has been sacked at a time when the Taliban's spring offensive is just months away, the Asia Times Online reported.

"The Afghan front is quiet because the Taliban and Al Qaeda militants are heavily engaged in fighting Pakistani security forces in Waziristan. Therefore, Mullah Omar has put his foot down to reset goals for the Taliban: struggle in Afghanistan and not against Pakistan, as was being done by Baitullah Mehsud," the website reported.

Intelligence sources said that Omar appointed Maulvi Faqir Muhammad as TTP chief, but Faqir refused to accept the designation after which the local Taliban were holding meetings to find Baitullah's replacement.

They said that with Baitullah replaced, Omar would use all Taliban resources in the Tribal Areas to dislodge the NATO troops from Afghanistan.

However, this leaves Baitullah and his loyalists completely isolated to fight Pakistani forces, according to the report.

The Pakistan Government has already named Baitullah as the main suspect behind Benazir Bhutto’s assassination. (ANI)

Source: Mullah Omar sacks Baitullah Mehsud for fighting against Pak Army | Top News



I had once argued that there is a split within the Taliban, that the "original Taliban" the one under Mullah Omar was not hellbent on attacking Pakistan or it's troops but they wanted to fight the foreign occupiers. This new figure Baitullah Mehsud is the problem, and his formation of the TTP and his desires are problematic for us.


I knew I was right.

 

[Omar1984]

I had once argued that there is a split within the Taliban, that the "original Taliban" the one under Mullah Omar was not hellbent on attacking Pakistan or it's troops but they wanted to fight the foreign occupiers. This new figure Baitullah Mehsud is the problem, and his formation of the TTP and his desires are problematic for us.


I knew I was right.

Most Pakistanis know that.

 

[A1Kaid]

Here is another article that focuses on a "rift" or split within the Senior leaders of the Taliban.




Rift in Taliban ranks: Rumours of Mullah Omar sacking Mehsud


CJ: Abhishek Behl , 9 Feb 2008


THERE ARE rifts in Taliban ranks and if sources are to be believed, the supreme leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, has sacked Tehrik-i-Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud from the rank and file and asked him to disband the movement in Pakistan.

There are also reports that differences have cropped between senior leadership of Tehrik-i-Taliban and its chief Baitullah Mehsud over the announcement of ceasefire by the latter.

It is being stated that senior leaders of Tehrik-i-Taliban, Pakistan have expressed indignation over the ceasefire announced by its chief Baitullah Mehsud saying that the latest announcement will badly damage the reputation of the Tehrik.

A well-informed Taliban source said that the government wanted to create a rift in the Taliban ranks and the latest announcement was part of that campaign.

“Report about a meeting of Taliban leaders under the chairmanship of Baitullah Mehsud is wrong, as Taliban leaders have lost contacts with each other since long,” he said.

According to him, Taliban militants were being chased and killed in Swat and some parts of tribal areas and offer of truce by the purported Taliban spokesman was severe blow to the Taliban movement.

He said that Taliban supreme leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, had already sacked TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud and ordered him to disband the Taliban movement in Pakistan, as the Taliban activities had been affecting their jihad against the foreign forces in Afghanistan.

An official source maintained that the government would never enter into dialogue with the militants as they had been bringing bad name to the country. “Talks will be held with tribal elders and maliks; not with Taliban militants,” he added.

He said that the reports about talks with Taliban had created a lot of problems for the government. Talks will only be held with those tribal elders, who enjoy the support of tribesmen, he went on to say.

An important Taliban leader said, while pleading anonymity, that Taliban fighters in Pakistan considered Mullah Muhammad Omar as their leader and they would lay their arms if asked by him.

“In the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan they will never stop their activities,” he said.

A spokesman for Afghan Taliban earlier stated that there would be no negotiations until US and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) troops withdraw from Afghanistan.

“The Taliban will never negotiate with the Afghan government in the presence of foreign forces,” he said. “Even if Karzai gives up his presidency, it’s not possible that Mullah Omar would agree to negotiations.”

The Taliban leader said that they were the followers of Mullah Omar and they would never leave their leader alone in the fight against occupation forces. “As far as Baitullah Mehsud’s offer of ceasefire is concerned, that might be his personal desire and it is not necessary that Taliban fighters will accept his decision,” he said.

With inputs from Jana Shah in Peshawar, Pakistan

Source: Rift in Taliban ranks: Rumours of Mullah Omar sacking Mehsud

 

[Hellfire]

how come you are treating Indian media as credible? normally its "rabid anti-Pakistani" indian press. is it just because it is in consonance with your views on this issue?

 

[A1Kaid]

how come you are treating Indian media as credible? normally its "rabid anti-Pakistani" indian press. is it just because it is in consonance with your views on this issue?

Wise up and actually read what is included in the first article, it includes a short excerpt from an Asia Times Online article, so "Indian media" is not creator of this story, it's that one website that happens to be ".in" is hosting the article...


There are also Pakistani article(s) here is one below.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


Other international sources are below:

"Mullah Omar sacks Mehsud for fighting Pakistan Army: report

Islamabad, Jan 26 (PTI) Taliban chief Mullah Omar has removed the wanted militant leader Baitullah Mehsud as the commander of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for fighting the Pakistani army, a news report has said.

Asia Times Online quoted Mullah Omar as telling other Taliban commanders to turn their focus on NATO forces stationed in Afghanistan even as President Pervez Musharraf has ordered intensified military operations against the pro-Taliban militants in South Waziristan.

Mehsud, appointed by Omar as the chief of the Pakistani Taliban, was expected to provide support to the Taliban in Afghanistan, ...."

Source: Mullah Omar sacks Mehsud for fighting Pakistan Army: report. | Article from PTI - The Press Trust of India Ltd. | HighBeam Research

Below is from the Tehran Times:

"The Taleban chief has sacked Baitullah Mehsud, the commander of Tehreek-e-Taleban Pakistan over fighting against the Pakistani Army.

Mullah Omar had dismissed Mehsud for fighting against the Pakistan Army instead of NATO forces, the Asia Times Online reported. "

Source: tehran times : Taleban ?sacks firebrand Baitullah Mehsud?

 

[S-2]

Why are you using article over a year old?

Aren't you aware that Mehsud, Nazir, and Bahadur agreed to an Omar proposal to fight only Afghanistan?

Militants Sudden Unity Threatens NATO-McClatchy Newspapers

 

[TruthSeeker]

And further, what is so great about a Taliban that decides to fight "only NATO in Afghanistan"? WE don't think that is acceptable and WE will attack them in Pakistan if you don't. So, then what? Will the PA protect the "good NATO-fighting Taliban" that sits sheltered on Pakistani soil? Is that what you want? The point is that these violent irhabi groups are destroying both Afghan and Pakistan civil society and any hope for developmental progress for your people. They need to be fought and crushed by everybody: NATO, the ANA and the PA. Don't you understand that???

 

[Hellfire]

well the general tendency of certain posters from Pakistan is that the problem is not theirs and only US is to blame ..... so why worry?

 

[Hellfire]

Wise up and actually read what is included in the first article, it includes a short excerpt from an Asia Times Online article, so "Indian media" is not creator of this story, it's that one website that happens to be ".in" is hosting the article...


There are also Pakistani article(s) here is one below.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


Other international sources are below:

"Mullah Omar sacks Mehsud for fighting Pakistan Army: report

Islamabad, Jan 26 (PTI) Taliban chief Mullah Omar has removed the wanted militant leader Baitullah Mehsud as the commander of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for fighting the Pakistani army, a news report has said.

Asia Times Online quoted Mullah Omar as telling other Taliban commanders to turn their focus on NATO forces stationed in Afghanistan even as President Pervez Musharraf has ordered intensified military operations against the pro-Taliban militants in South Waziristan.

Mehsud, appointed by Omar as the chief of the Pakistani Taliban, was expected to provide support to the Taliban in Afghanistan, ...."

Source: Mullah Omar sacks Mehsud for fighting Pakistan Army: report. | Article from PTI - The Press Trust of India Ltd. | HighBeam Research

Below is from the Tehran Times:

"The Taleban chief has sacked Baitullah Mehsud, the commander of Tehreek-e-Taleban Pakistan over fighting against the Pakistani Army.

Mullah Omar had dismissed Mehsud for fighting against the Pakistan Army instead of NATO forces, the Asia Times Online reported. "

Source: tehran times : Taleban ?sacks firebrand Baitullah Mehsud?

why? you have the IPR for wisdom?

only asked for you have posted indian site ..... nothing else ..... who cares where the source is!

 

[Hellfire]

there does not seem to be any split now in taliban .... they are preparing to topple the legitimate government of Pakistan (as indirectly said by Muslim Khan their spokesperson).

 

[All-Green]

And further, what is so great about a Taliban that decides to fight "only NATO in Afghanistan"? WE don't think that is acceptable and WE will attack them in Pakistan if you don't. So, then what? Will the PA protect the "good NATO-fighting Taliban" that sits sheltered on Pakistani soil? Is that what you want? The point is that these violent irhabi groups are destroying both Afghan and Pakistan civil society and any hope for developmental progress for your people. They need to be fought and crushed by everybody: NATO, the ANA and the PA. Don't you understand that???

Is US war on Al-Qaeda or Afghani Taliban?
Al-Qaeda used Taliban as a shield and got Afghanis slaughtered...for most part part the Afghan Talibs were just one party in the post Jihad civil war who prevailed against similarly vicious warring factions and conquered most of their country. They were overly strict but then in Afghanistan the atrocities committed by all warring parties were numerous so i cannot single them out in this regards.

The Taliban in Afghanistan are not the same as TTP (who are terrorists openly carrying out and supporting suicide attacks on innocents)...The Taliban in Afghanistan to my knowledge represent most of the Pashtuns...i think it is in US interest to talk with them...they are not Al-Qaeda...putting them in the same boat is a mistake and will keep the Afghan government unstable.

There is a difference between organized terrorism against civilians and armed resistance against foreign forces...Taliban in Afghanistan are being perceived by most as the latter...The tribal mindset is fiercely independent...We can reach a stage when slowly the reconstruction efforts etc may become irrelevant to the people (tribal pride and independence playing a role) and the American presence will become more and more of an issue...everyday the Taliban struggle continues, they will become more popular since they are defying the most well trained and best equipped force in the world.

I think this shall be Obama's biggest challenge, to have stability in Afghanistan...IMHO, Karzai needs to go...he has no prestige and will never be able to win over most Afghans...despite any reconstruction that maybe happening.

 

[Luftwaffe]

truthseeker>>we'll attack them inside pakistan...

o hello well hell we've been waiting where they hell are ya! come and get some need you guys to come full fledged so we can test some offshore plutonium lol.

truthseeker>>Will the PA protect the "good NATO-fighting Taliban"

boy you created for these afghanis or talibans job on Afghan soil after 9/11 funded and supported now you say we protect them?? double trouble?Let NATO lost along with the funds for ur ugly breeded animals called taliban that u kept and used and funded and all will be well...and we do not protect no one neither taliban nor will we protect you..

 

[TruthSeeker]

All-Green,

All the Afghani Taliban have to do is to agree to peacefully participate in the Afghan government. let them win by democratic means, not by violence. You say Karzai has no backing, but how do we know what backing the Afghani Taliban (Mullah Omar) has other than the force of his guns? Why can't the Pashtuns (Karzai is a Pashtun) participate peacefully? Or, are they really just irhabis who want to kill and dominate any Afghani that disagrees with their concept of Islam. I'm surprised you have so much sympathy for them when the way to peace and the removal of NATO forces is so easy. All they have to do is participate in the GoA and win in the elections.

 

[TruthSeeker]

and we do not protect no one neither taliban nor will we protect you..

Nor, sadly, your own people.

 

[notorious_eagle]

How about you guys actually try to engage the Taliban in Afghanistan instead of shifting the blame, the last report i read made it clear that Taliban still control more than 50% of Afghanistan. I wonder why the Americans dont like to bring this topic up, i know nobody likes to accept their own failures.