A Role for China to Rein In Iran

[Economic superpower]

According to the US, (and their puppet buddies), the most fundamental human right is to vote for someone.

They can be starved, they can be left illiterate, they can be tortured, they can be left to live in slums, they can be left to live on the street with no either government or society support.

They are free to die on the street, they are free not to go to school, they are free to sell their children, etc.

That were exactly things which happened before 1975 in South Vietnam and now still happening in so many "mature democracies".

But they can vote, that mean they are living in a civilized country and must be happy.

Excellent post. Completely agree with you.

 

[Siavash]

I believe every society have different ideology and belief. In Vietnam, especially North Vietnam, and other countries of North East Asia, which have been under influenced by Confucianism for thousand years, we may have different ideas about vote and free speech over other fundamental rights of human.

For sure there is a double standard no doubt about that and also the fact that it is being used for hegemony and domination. Despite that there are issues in Iran that can be resolved meanwhile having the independence and movement towards a prosperous nation.

Can you elaborate more about these views you mention and the influence of Confucianism ... it would be interesting to read it.

 

[Zsari]

In Chinese opinion, the thing before humen rights is the rights to survive and to get a life. USA bring humen right to Iraq and Afghanistan and Ukrein, and see how they are now. Iran should work on country building first and then more humen rights.
China may talk about it with Iran, but can't make Iran do anything.

US only focuses on political rights, but for anyone who actually read the International covenants on human rights, the right to food, cloth and housing, as well as the right to medical care are clearly written within as well as the inclusion of the right to development s an integral part of human rights by the UN general assembly.

 

[AViet]

For sure there is a double standard no doubt about that and also the fact that it is being used for hegemony and domination. Despite that there are issues in Iran that can be resolved meanwhile having the independence and movement towards a prosperous nation.

Can you elaborate more about these views you mention and the influence of Confucianism ... it would be interesting to read it.

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Yours are reasonable request. However, the translation of teaching by Confucious, Mencious and various classis philosophers and scholars, including Vietnamese etc. into English is beyond my capability.

The work "Confucianism" or "Nho giáo" by Trần Trọng Kim, can only be considered a basic book for anyone to have overall view of East Asian philosophy. Equipped with good knowledge of history and philosophy, thank to my family tradition, plus around 400 hundreds Chinese characters, I still find it too difficult to understand.

However, simple translation of teachings from Confucious and others can be found on the Internet, I believe.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Why does Iran need to be reined in? Shouldn't it be America that needs to be reined in? Or perhaps their baby Israel?

Very true brother.

In my opinion it is not good that China only thinks about economy. If they at least pressure Iran on Human rights would have been a good thing now that they have some influence.

America has the whole "bringing human rights" angle covered, like they did in Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, among others.

I don't think we have any interest in that job, America can keep it. We'll stick on the economy/diplomacy side of things.

 

[TaiShang]

For most people in the China-sphere, the US only brings death and destruction by abusing certain abstract concepts such as human rights, democracy, or through outright lies such as "Saddam's WMDs."

On this respect, let alone China being a US conduit to "rein in Iran," China's conceptualization of the US policy is the very anti-thesis of all that the US regime represents in the global arena.

China does business. It has no interest in the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation. Sovereignty is the highest virtue in the era of nation state and there is no going back on this.

We are confident that the solution to the historical challenges that Iran may be facing will come from the Iranian people, and the Iranian people only.

There has not been an instance in history that foreign intervention could be benign and result in a good way. One either looses the ability to make sovereign decision, or tumbles into terrorism and fascism.

To be sure, China will never dictate any ideology on a sovereign nation with a distinct culture and history. It is the US business as they seem to be so eager for it.

I would advise not to anticipate anything good from the US or others on any issues, including political rights. US will support dictators at the cost of people if it is to their own interests.

This is what Turkish progressives and liberals are learning to their own demise as the fascist-turning one-man rule is having all the privileges and respects from the US and the most EU.

Chileans and Argentinians have learned this the hard way, as well.

Change and progress lie in you and in your own historical dynamics. Have faith in them.

 

[Siavash]

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Yours are reasonable request. However, the translation of teaching by Confucious, Mencious and various classis philosophers and scholars, including Vietnamese etc. into English is beyond my capability.

The work "Confucianism" or "Nho giáo" by Trần Trọng Kim, can only be considered a basic book for anyone to have overall view of East Asian philosophy. Equipped with good knowledge of history and philosophy, thank to my family tradition, plus around 400 hundreds Chinese characters, I still find it too difficult to understand.

However, simple translation of teachings from Confucious and others can be found on the Internet, I believe.

Thanks, I will have to do some research on it. I read about Taoism but have to go back and related it to political systems and how people response to them is influenced by Confucianism and Taoism. Will do some research about it. It is a good point of view.

For most people in the China-sphere, the US only brings death and destruction by abusing certain abstract concepts such as human rights, democracy, or through outright lies such as "Saddam's WMDs."

On this respect, let alone China being a US conduit to "rein in Iran," China's conceptualization of the US policy is the very anti-thesis of all that the US regime represents in the global arena.

China does business. It has no interest in the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation. Sovereignty is the highest virtue in the era of nation state and there is no going back on this.

We are confident that the solution to the historical challenges that Iran may be facing will come from the Iranian people, and the Iranian people only.

There has not been an instance in history that foreign intervention could be benign and result in a good way. One either looses the ability to make sovereign decision, or tumbles into terrorism and fascism.

To be sure, China will never dictate any ideology on a sovereign nation with a distinct culture and history. It is the US business as they seem to be so eager for it.

I would advise not to anticipate anything good from the US or others on any issues, including political rights. US will support dictators at the cost of people if it is to their own interests.

This is what Turkish progressives and liberals are learning to their own demise as the fascist-turning one-man rule is having all the privileges and respects from the US and the most EU.

Chileans and Argentinians have learned this the hard way, as well.

Change and progress lie in you and in your own historical dynamics. Have faith in them.

The Sovereignty in era of nation state as a virtue is an interesting concept to base the non interfering stance on. Need to think about it more. The other points are very true as well. Thanks for the input. Very informative and clear.

 

[cirr]

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