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A quick question...

As mentioned by others, such a deal never happened and there is really not much secret on a base, that parked their aircrafts outside and not in a hangar. If we had Tu22, they would have been spotted by now, the one or the other way.

Sancho..
Don't you think there are such secret bases in the country which could theoretically base such an aircraft?
I mentioned the particular base as it is a known IN base in the south...
I personally know a few bases which are never spoken of in the net.. Won't divulge that info here.. But there are operated by RAW IAF who knows but having high security.. and only night operations...
 
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In my reckoning the tu22M is a maritime strike version of the same... I would like to ask what role can such an aircraft play in today's scenario..
The aircraft itself is very much relevant as it can carry 3 kh-22 missile/s.. We all know the capabilities of the same..
Now my question is, whether or not there is a requirement for such an aircraft in the IN.??
The aircraft has a range of 6200 km and combat radius of 2400km... So any navy entering the Indian Ocean would be within striking distance in the matter of minutes..
Again I would like to stress on the aircraft as if its still in service... does it play any role in today's scenario??

In the context of today, I'd say the TU-22 is irrelevant. When the IN itself has supersonic multi-role fighter that can carry precision munitions 1000s of miles (with IFR) but also be utilized in a2a combat and that too off an ACC.


The day of the dedicated bomber is pretty much over mate.
 
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Sancho..
Don't you think there are such secret bases in the country which could theoretically base such an aircraft?
I mentioned the particular base as it is a known IN base in the south...
I personally know a few bases which are never spoken of in the net.. Won't divulge that info here.. But there are operated by RAW IAF who knows but having high security.. and only night operations...

There should be at least, but that deal would have been done years ago and the aircrafts must have been used at least for training purposes right? I have some doubts that this would have remained a secret so long, be it the media, leaked reports or even foreign countries that would have known about it, would had made it public long ago, since it's violates several international laws.
However, the main point remains, why would we need these bombers? All threats to India are in the direct neighborhood, Pakistan too close to use bombers and all main targets in China are too far away. So there would be hardly any use or?
 
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In my reckoning, the maritime strike force of India is still the Jaguar.. that too operated by the IAF...
What my question now is... Is a long range maritime strike aircraft required by the Navy??
Dedicated strike aircraft are still very much valid in today's scenario IMO...
Just imagine a maritime strike force capacity which can strike anywhere in the Indian ocean.. Let it be any aircraft.. the first criteria would be long range and IFR capabilities..
Su-34 would be a suitable candidate... but just imagine an aircraft the size of Tu-22M.. just one bogey on the radar, firing 3 raduga kh22s onto any CBG entering the IOR... from 1000 mile away... far outside the combat capacity of the fleet fighters..
A fan boy's dream you may say... but with high strategic implications, if I may say so..
 
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Same rumour like the s-300 missile to India both are false it never took place.

MOSCOW: Russia has offered to sell several long-range Tupolev Tu-22M3 bombers to India, Russian Vice-Premier and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said on Thursday.

He said the offer was made to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during talks in Moscow on Wednesday. India was, however, yet to respond to the offer.

We made the offer to the Indian side when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was here. The Indian side has not yet come back to us on the issue, and it would be impossible also to take a decision within 24 hours," Ivanov said.

Ivanov said that India had earlier considered leasing the bombers but due to "technical reasons" Moscow is unable to lease the aircrafts.


The leasing of up to three long-range TU-22M3 (Backfire-C) bombers was part of the aircraft carrier 'Admiral Gorshkov' package, which also included leasing two Shchuka-B (Akula class) nuclear submarines currently under construction at Komsomolsk-on-Amur shipyard.

Ivanov underscored that Tu-22M3 is "not a strategic" weapon as it has a range of up to 7,000 kilometres. The bomber capable of carrying 3 Kh-22 cruise missiles is the main bomber of the Russian Air Force and Navy.

Talks for leasing three Tu-22M3 bombers were on since last five years in a package with the acquisition of the Gorshkov aircraft carrier, diplomatic sources said.
 
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What my question now is... Is a long range maritime strike aircraft required by the Navy??

The navy still has the Bears for long range operations, but only with limited strike capabilities. The P8Is on the other hand will add new strike capability, the main problems still seems to be the US weapons that are cleared to us so far. With SLAM-ER, JASOW, or SDB the P8Is would be great bombers too.

However, main question remains what targets are there for IN? The only enemy with a carrier is China, which is neither in operation yet, nor would it be a good idea to attack it with bombers, instead of fighters, from our own carriers, or MKIs with Brahmos. Other than that, the only potential target that could pose a threat to India, would be Diego Garcia. Which a gain would be easier to attack by subs, or our carriers. Bombers in IN hardly have relevance and even for IAF they wouldn't make much difference. More important are long range cruise and balistic missiles, as well as subs with long range land attack capability. That's what we should focus on and not on status symbols!
 
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The navy still has the Bears for long range operations, but only with limited strike capabilities. The P8Is on the other hand will add new strike capability, the main problems still seems to be the US weapons that are cleared to us so far. With SLAM-ER, JASOW, or SDB the P8Is would be great bombers too.

However, main question remains what targets are there for IN? The only enemy with a carrier is China, which is neither in operation yet, nor would it be a good idea to attack it with bombers, instead of fighters, from our own carriers, or MKIs with Brahmos. Other than that, the only potential target that could pose a threat to India, would be Diego Garcia. Which a gain would be easier to attack by subs, or our carriers. Bombers in IN hardly have relevance and even for IAF they wouldn't make much difference. More important are long range cruise and balistic missiles, as well as subs with long range land attack capability. That's what we should focus on and not on status symbols!

The difference in payload; a Tu-22M can carry 10 (!) Kh-15s, or similar anti ship missiles. It can decimate two task forces of a navy in one sortie. The P-8Is are mostly a recon aircraft, with modest strike capability.

Suppose a P-8I or some other recon asset (satellite or aircraft) detected a flotilla of enemy ships somewhere in the IOR or the arabian sea. Say, a battle group of 5 pakistani ships. If our own ships are not in the vicinity, and they are on the move, which means that they won't be there for long. A backfire could take off from Arakonam or anywhere in mainland India, fly supersonically to the spot, lay the fleet to waste, and return for champagne. With three Kh-22s they can maul an aircraft carrier, but as you rightly say, it is unlikely that we would face enemy aircraft carriers any time soon. But it can carry upto ten anti ship missiles, which means the ability to kill several small vessels (which we are likely to face).

I'm not really making a case for them, I'm just saying that if we had them, we could find a use for them. After all, needs are unlimited. The right thing to do is to prioritize our needs. From that POV, there are many other things that the navy can get that bring more value for money, than bombers. Maybe that's the conlcusion the navy reached as well. From multiple sources, it is clear that the IN leased and operated backfires in 2001. Maybe they were trying to figure out whether such an asset will fit into their doctrine, and they must have realized that it did not, and so they did not pursue it anymore.

I wonder why the forces have not dedicated a couple of squadrons of MKIs for the maritime strike role, either by replacing or in addition to the jaguar IMs. The MKIs can carry more than twice the payload, to twice the distance (almost the entire IOR, with refuelling), while being able to defend itself against any aerial threat. These can be the regular MKis, not the super-30s. If the navy can call in the air force's MKIs to give them air cover or sink enemy vessels, it would greatly reduce the burden on the navy's carrier and fighters, and they could become a lot more versatile - performing not just fleet defence, but take on much more offensive roles. The IAF has only two squadrons of jags for that role, which are long in the tooth, and besides, simply outclassed by the MKIs. Why not make use of the Indian mainland as an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and dedicate two or three squadrons purely for maritime strike?
 
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The difference in payload; a Tu-22M can carry 10 (!) Kh-15s, or similar anti ship missiles. It can decimate two task forces of a navy in one sortie. The P-8Is are mostly a recon aircraft, with modest strike capability...

First of all, a P8I can carry 5 weapons in it's internal weapon bay, has 4 wingstations and 2 at the fuselage. Afaik the weapon bay and the wingstations can carry SLAM-ER with around 250Km range, which would be more that a credible anti ship load. We sadly have procured or only have the approval for the normal Harpoon yet, which limits us a bit in capability, but not in the numbers of strike weapons.
Taking your example, if the P8I would detect such a group of PN vessels, it would attack them on it's own, with Harpoons and Torpedos. And even if it wouldn't have the necessary weapons, the first to counter this thread would be MKIs (which will get into this roles, as soon as Brahmos will be available) from Pune, Mig 29UPGs from Jamnagar, IL 38, or Mig 29Ks from Goa and not IN aircrafts from the other side of India.
 
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First the Aircraft mentioned hear is Tu 22 bomber version never materialized. The INS Rajali houses (Arakkonam ) only Tu 142 Maritime Recon and ASW role. Arakkonam base for Bay of Bengal and Goa base for Arabian sea. These two bases have very long Run-ways necessary to operate these aircrafts. ( Arakkonam being 2nd longest military runway in Asia). So to answer ur question these Tu 22 and Tu 142 cant be operated from any other base in India.
( however Tu 142 can take up the role of a strategic bomber but IN doesnt need it right now)
 
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