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is saudi arabia not peaceful?.
no need to blame wahabis.
this ridiculous to abuse wahabis or saudis.
shows your pathetic approach.
i am totally oppose to abuse any sect.
 
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9/11 done by Jihadi wahhabi pigs like Bin ladin and co, every action has a reaction and America did the right thing in attacking Afghanistan and getting rid of the barbaric Taliban

While getting rid of Taliban was probably a good thing, in on itself but Taliban were removed from power in 2002. Since then US occupation of Afghanistan is better called neo-colonialism in context of a larger imperialistic system imposed by US over the region. As we can see now, the whole bunch of Alqaeda and Taliban were friends of US from the beginning fighting for US interests in the region whether it was against the Russians or now against Pakistan. The whole drama is there to convince the world that without US militarily bullying the rest of the world, Taliban will take over. While it is never mentioned that Talibans occasionally take a lift on Chinook to their next destination or when Taliban is in "negotiation" with US. These groups were proxies of US then and are proxies of US now and will remain so in future. The rest is drama to fool the people.
 
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9/11 done by Jihadi wahhabi pigs like Bin ladin and co, every action has a reaction and America did the right thing in attacking Afghanistan and getting rid of the barbaric Taliban

Indian pigs doing the same in Kashmir..like American pigs doing in Afghanistan...now stfu u cow piss drinker
 
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Wahabi is a idealogy the Saudi's and taliban share. Cutting off hands and feet and not allowing women to drive is some of the examples of this sick cult.

uve ever been to Saudi Arabia?...there is no word as WAHABBIS anywhere here...Ill cut ur tongue n fingers though to end ur mouth diarrhea n for being an internet propagandist
 
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uve ever been to Saudi Arabia?...there is no word as WAHABBIS anywhere here...Ill cut ur tongue n fingers though to end ur mouth diarrhea n for being an internet propagandist


No intention to go to KSA where women can't even drive cars and people are beheaded or their limbs cut off I heard Saudi has one of the highest execution rates in the world it is better to go to places like Dubai or Qatar instead of KSA.
 
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People should read what these Talibs and some of their Saudi sponsers believe

JAKARTA, INDONESIA—As leader of Indonesia’s — and the world’s — largest Muslim organization, Said Aqil Siraj used to get pelted with angry emails and text messages whenever he questioned Saudi Arabia’s rigid, ultra-puritanical take on Islam.

But the often menacing messages recently stopped — cut off by a single stroke from a Saudi executioner’s sword to the neck of an Indonesian maid in Mecca.

“Now I don’t get sent anything,” Siraj said. He is glad to be out of the firing line, at least for the moment, but is appalled that it took the beheading of a 54-year-old Indonesian grandmother to quiet abuse by supporters of Saudi-style Islam.

The beheading of Ruyati binti Satubi — executed in June for the killing of an allegedly abusive Saudi employer — stirred such revulsion here that even the most strictly observant Indonesian Muslims now ask how the guardians of Islam’s most sacred sites can be so heedless of their faith’s call for compassion.

At least 20 Indonesians, nearly all women, are on death row in the Persian Gulf kingdom.

While few doubt that Satubi stabbed her boss, the mother of three is widely viewed as a martyr — the victim of a harsh and often xenophobic justice and social system rooted in Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi creed, a highly dogmatic and intolerant strand of Islam that, in its most extreme forms, helped provide the theological underpinnings for jihadi militants.

“Some Indonesians began to think that Wahhabism is the true teaching of Islam, but thanks to God, there has been a change of thinking,” said Siraj, who heads Nahdlatul Ulama, an organization with about 50 million members and 28,000 Islamic boarding schools.

The beheading, which triggered protests outside the Saudi Embassy and elsewhere, “has had a good influence” by accelerating a backlash against harsh imported strains of Islam, Siraj said.

“Mecca is a holy place, but the people who live there are very uncivilized,” said the executed maid’s daughter, Een Nuraeni, who prays regularly and wears a veil pulled tightly over her hair. “There is nothing in Islamic law that says you can torture or rape your housemaid.”

Her mother, desperate for money, had worked for three families in Saudi Arabia since taking her first job there in 1998. On trips home, Nuraeni said, she complained of being spat at in the face, beaten, deprived of food and other mistreatment, but kept going back “for the sake of her children.”

Migrant Care, an Indonesian group that lobbies on behalf of workers abroad, said it has this year already received 6,500 reports of violence, sexual harassment, rape and other abuses against Indonesians in Saudi Arabia. Eighty per cent of the more than 1.2 million Indonesians working there are women, mostly maids.

Indonesia’s government, complaining that it received no advance notice of Satubi’s execution, recalled its ambassador from Riyadh and announced a moratorium from Aug. 1 on labour exports to the gulf kingdom. Police set up a special unit at Jakarta’s main airport to enforce the order.

The acrimonious rift between the birthplace of the prophet Muhammad and Indonesia, home to the largest community of his followers, even led to calls for a boycott of Mecca by hajj pilgrims.

The mood became so testy that when Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa announced that he had received an apology over the beheading from the Saudi ambassador in Jakarta, the gulf kingdom’s usually mute embassy promptly issued a statement that accused the minister of lying.

Indonesia has traditionally embraced mostly relaxed forms of Islam. But starting in the 1970s under then-dictator Suharto, a flood of money from Saudi Arabia to fund mosques and other ventures helped boost a Wahhabi-tinged form of Islam known as Salafism, which sometimes veered into violent extremism.

The Bali bombings in 2002 and subsequent attacks in Jakarta were carried out by militants inspired by Salafi extremists such as Osama bin Laden. Nonviolent Salafis, meanwhile, emerged as a political force, helping to found the Islamist Justice and Prosperity Party, or PKS, which won nearly 8 per cent of the vote in 2009.

Both strands are now in trouble. A wave of arrests and killings by security forces has largely uprooted the organizational foundations of Salafi jihad ideology, although it lives on thanks to the Internet. Abubakar Baasyir, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, was sentenced in June to five years in prison for terrorism.

Meanwhile, the PKS, part of the governing coalition, has been tainted by allegations of corruption and has been torn by internal strife between purists and moderates. Some of its more hard-line members have been purged. “We threw them out” because they “always wanted 100 per cent pure values of Islam” and couldn’t compromise, said Fahri Hamzah, a PKS member of parliament.

Siraj, the leader of the Nahdlatul Ulama organization, studied in Saudi Arabia for 13 years and came to despise the kingdom’s religious and political order, which he describes as “jahiliyyah” — the period of ignorance and hypocrisy that, according to the Koran, prevailed there before the arrival of the prophet Muhammad.

Salafis are by no means all violent and many eschew politics, he said, but they “are very hard in the way they think.” He recently wrote the foreword to a new book, “The Bloody History of the Salafi-Wahhabi Sect.”

Hizb ut-Tahrir, a nonviolent organization that wants an Islamic state or caliphate, defended the beheading as legal under Islamic law but called for an investigation into whether Satubi committed murder in self-defence. Ismail Yusanto, the group’s spokesman, said the problem is not strict Islamic justice but the poverty that drives women to work abroad when “their main place is the home.”

Saudi Arabia, worried by the spread of extremist thinking at home and damage to its reputation abroad since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has tried in recent years to check the export of militant Salafi ideas.

But what the Saudi government now condemns as mutant strains have nonetheless put down thin but tenacious roots on the margins in Indonesia, shielded in the past by a reluctance by many to criticize views supposedly rooted in the land of Muhammad’s birth.

“Saudi Arabia is the holy land, so people always used to make excuses for it,” said Wahyu Susilo, a policy analyst for Migrant Care. “They now realize that Saudi Islam is not the right image of Islam.” To protest the June beheading, his group printed thousands of posters saying: “Saudi Arabia — the killing fields for Indonesian women migrant workers.”

The Indonesian government, under fire for not doing enough to protect its citizens, last month secured the release of an Indonesian maid on death row in Saudi Arabia. It did this by paying compensation of $538,000 to the family of her employer, whom she killed after he allegedly tried to rape her.

Arab News, a newspaper based in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, reported last week that Saudi authorities have agreed to spare two more Indonesian maids from beheading, including one convicted of using black magic to hurt her employer.

At her family’s village near Bekasi, east of Jakarta, Nuraeni, the daughter of the beheaded maid, has received a procession of visitors offering condolences and angry views on Saudi Arabia. Scores of women in the village have spent time working in the kingdom and shared stories of their travails there.

Even Nuraeni’s elderly grandfather, a sternly devout Muslim who has memorized the Koran and made a hajj trip to Mecca, wants nothing to do with the kingdom. “He now hates Saudi Arabia,” Nuraeni said.


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1036889--beheading-fuels-backlash-in-indonesia
 
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/219553ac-bec6-11e0-a36b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1Ux25KqqB


As the Arab world’s newly post-autocratic societies stumble towards economic opportunity and political reform, violence in both Libya and Syria is taking the gloss off the early successes of the Arab spring. But behind both these crises lies an even more serious long-term problem: the west’s unquestioning support for the region’s hydrocarbon dinosaur, Saudi Arabia.

Stuck in the past – economically, politically and theologically – support for the kingdom remains solid in western corridors of power. Despite being the world’s largest oil producer and the linchpin of Opec, Saudi Arabia itself also still relies on the west to help it mute critics of its dismal human rights record, growing anti-Shia policies and export of intolerant religious doctrines.



The reward for tolerating such behaviour is obvious: Saudi oil and natural gas, in large quantities and at reasonable prices. The Saudis also buy western weapons, technological gadgetry and consumer goods, from toothpicks to air defence systems. Yet while this conflict between the public values and private interests of the west regarding Saudi Arabia is not new, growing popular Arab demands for freedom are making the position increasingly untenable.

Clinging to the support-for-oil argument is now beginning to undermine our real interests in the region, especially in the fight against religious extremism and terrorism. Preaching global Wahhabi Islam has been a cardinal principle of Saudi foreign policy for almost half a century. This doctrine is intolerant of minorities, including Shia Islam, and abusive of women. More important, unless the funds for such religious preaching dry up, it will be difficult to stop the spread of Islamic extremism in the Horn of Africa, Yemen and elsewhere.

Saudi Arabia’s actions are also harming the balance of power in the region. The Saudi intervention in Bahrain, under the guise of the Gulf Co-operation Council, ostensibly acted to support stability, but actually was designed to subjugate Bahrain’s Shia population. Given the rising power of the Shia across the Gulf, Saudi’s broadly anti-Shia policies elsewhere are only increasing the likelihood of the west being dragged into further conflict, either between Saudi Arabia and Iran directly, or between Sunni and Shia groups in general.

By blaming others for its domestic ills Saudi Arabia undermines the long-term stability of the region, risking more violence in Bahrain and Yemen, as well as possibly in Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates – where large Shia communities live. But the kingdom’s internal problems should also worry the west. In the next five years a huge burden will be placed on the ruling monarchy, as it attempts to deal with rising poverty, youth unemployment and demands for political reform.

The Arab uprising has at least touched the kingdom, with some demands for reform being voiced by Saudi Sunni elites. But this in turn only complicates the already fraught politics of the regime’s leadership succession. As a younger generation of princes come to prominence, many educated in the west, discord within the ruling family is all but certain to grow. Even if reform-minded princes do take over, tension will emerge between the al-Saud family and the conservative religious establishment.

It is not impossible that dissidents will in time stop submitting petitions to the king and take to the streets. Even if they do not, the west still has a chance to chart a new path. Of course, it cannot entirely sever relations – all that oil still matters. But President Barack Obama should state publicly that the ruling monarchy must move towards genuine political, legislative and judicial reforms. The House of Saud must be told that suppressing the opposition, and especially playing the sectarian card around the region, will no longer be tolerated.

Considering the decades-old special relationship between Washington and Riyadh, a public rebuke would be taken seriously, both inside the regime and by the other family monarchies in the Gulf. Indeed, as the regime contemplates its future course in the face of any emboldened opposition – to emulate the brutality of Syria, or to move tentatively to reforms – public encouragement will be needed to take the right path.

The politics of energy mean the west and Saudi Arabia will remain locked in an embrace for the foreseeable future. But the policy of Saudi exceptionalism has run its course. Moves to create a more moderate, less manipulative Saudi Arabia are now needed. No matter how small, they would be the Arab spring’s greatest reward.

The writer is a former director of the CIA’s political Islam strategic analysis programme and author of ‘A Necessary Engagement: Reinventing America’s Relations with the Muslim World’
 
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No intention to go to KSA where women can't even drive cars and people are beheaded or their limbs cut off I heard Saudi has one of the highest execution rates in the world it is better to go to places like Dubai or Qatar instead of KSA.

u ll get ur head cut off If u murder someone or If u r involved in drug trafficking ... doesnt China and many countires do the same ? and for the thief first ull be warned n jailed...n thn if u r still being begairat n keep doing the same crime thn they ll cut off ur fingers...n dats why Saudi Arabia got the LOWEST CRIME RATE ... If u got no info on KSA laws den stop spreading rumours about it...N i love Saudi Arabia and Pakistan alike so mind ur tongue
 
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u ll get ur head cut off If u murder someone or If u r involved in drug trafficking ... doesnt China and many countires do the same ? and for the thief first ull be warned n jailed...n thn if u r still being begairat n keep doing the same crime thn they ll cut off ur fingers...n dats why Saudi Arabia got the LOWEST CRIME RATE ... If u got no info on KSA laws den stop spreading rumours about it...N i love Saudi Arabia and Pakistan alike so mind ur tongue


Wahabi's will always be my enemey they are the same narrow minded thugs who destroyed the famous Buddah's in Afganistan and they are the same people who do not let women to drive. These bastards even spread hate in UK with their Saudi funded madrassas teaching kids to hate jews and hindus.

BBC News - Saudi school lessons in UK concern government


let them go to hell and burn dont bring your dirty idealogy to Uk :disagree:



The government says it will not tolerate anti-Semitic and homophobic lessons being taught to Muslim children in the UK.
 
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No intention to go to KSA where women can't even drive cars and people are beheaded or their limbs cut off I heard Saudi has one of the highest execution rates in the world it is better to go to places like Dubai or Qatar instead of KSA.

While I don't like the royal government of Saudi and many of their laws but there are somethings that does make sense for example the Bus service is so good that you don't need to get a car at all go to the bus stop every now and then fast Bus service arrives and takes you to the destination all over Saudi Arabia.

Secondly if criminals are beheaded and chop off their limbs they are also given their time to prove their innocence and they have their lawyers if the man has no evidence of innocence and or no witness to point out he/she is innocent then its bad end it happens all over the world. Look at hindustan hanging is also brutal ain't it ofcouse it is, so is shock and administering poison so respect other nation's sovereign laws and don't get into something that leads you to be chopped off or beheaded. :)

US is on top of Saudi Arabia as the number of people being executed in US in 2010/2011
Unofficially many nations are on the top of the list for illegal detention and killing using excess of force and wrong judicial punishments example is Occupied Kashmir.

You are nothing more then a talking radio with nonsensical rants. Discuss the thread subject or leave this thread in a graceful way.
 
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using Saudi textbooks that, among other niceties, describe Jews as descended from "monkeys" and "pigs", denigrate nonbelievers, advocate killing homosexuals and refer to the "reprehensible qualities of Jews".


Saudi Arabia's intolerable antisemitic textbooks | David Goldberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


See what the Saudis are funding in UK schools

I believe what ISLAM teaches me...n Jews are not saints...look what they are doing to Palestinians occupying dere land...n they always conspirate against Muslims.....they are our sworn enemy..n I think every Muslim believe the same i dont find anything new and not in order with dere teachings.
 
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While I don't like the royal government of Saudi and many of their laws but there are somethings that does make sense for example the Bus service is so good that you don't need to get a car at all go to the bus stop every now and then fast Bus service arrives and takes you to the destination all over Saudi Arabia.

Secondly if criminals are beheaded and chop off their limbs they are also given their time to prove their innocence and they have their lawyers if the man has no evidence of innocence and or no witness to point out he/she is innocent then its bad end it happens all over the world. Look at hindustan hanging is also brutal ain't it ofcouse it is, so is shock and administering poison so respect other nation's sovereign laws and don't get into something that leads you to be chopped off or beheaded. :)

US is on top of Saudi Arabia as the number of people being executed in US in 2010/2011
Unofficially many nations are on the top of the list for illegal detention and killing using excess of force and wrong judicial punishments example is Occupied Kashmir.

You are nothing more then a talking radio with nonsensical rants. Discuss the thread subject or leave this thread in a graceful way.


My point was directed at those people who still believe 9/11 was done by CIA-MOSSAD nexus. Saudi ideology is well known in the west but our pathetic governments dare not say a word when there is oil involved. Just look at how they treat immigrant workers from asia while these rich Sheikhs are hiring prostitutes or even raping their males servents and getting caught in a London hotel :rofl:


Can't wait for Oil to run out what will happen to KSA God only knows :agree:
 
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