A question for Iranians

[anonymus]

I was curious about an aspect of Iran-Israel rivalry.

It is pretty clear to anyone following the developments in middle east that well arabs/sunnis are not on very good term with Persians/shias.Saudis have promised to make up for any shortfall in oil production due to sanctions on Iran.Instead according to bill signed by obama,the main sanction against iran would not kick in unless saudi fullfill their promise.

There’s a second provision, which targets state financial institutions and even foreign central banks, which conduct transaction with Iran on petroleum products. This will kick in six months later. The only pre-condition for these sanctions to become effective is a determination by Obama that the international market position is such that there’s adequate fuel to keep oil prices at a reasonable level.

The Tehran test - Indian Express

Also arabs are on record (source: Wikileaks) to state that Iran is a Snake whose head should be smashed and imploring Israel to attack.

Cut off head of snake Saudis told U.S. on Iran | Reuters


On the other hand you people are taking up cudgels against Israel for sake of Palestine which is esensially an arab cause.Your president talks about wiping Israel off the map.

I want to know from Iranians as to what is the basic thinking in Iran regarding the whole situation as they have not directly harmed you and the people whose cause you seem to profess are rooting for your destruction.

Does Iran seriously think that it could become leader of Islamic world even after the blood rivalry between Shias and Sunnis.Turkey which is much better suited and equipped for this purpose has been rejected by arabs.Why do you want harm to come to your country?

Thanks in advance.I want to know about Irani opinion on this issue.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Turkey which is much better suited and equipped for this purpose has been rejected by arabs.

Rejected? We never want to be the leader of the Arab world and will never be. There are decades among us.

 

[Serpentine]

Your question has a big problem: Iran doesn't want to rule the Muslim world.Bring me one statement from a high rank official who has said anything about ruling the Muslim world.
Muslims don't want a leader or ruler,the only thing they need is being united.nothing more.

 

[anonymus]

Your question has a big problem: Iran doesn't want to rule the Muslim world.Bring me one statement from a high rank official who has said anything about ruling the Muslim world.
Muslims don't want a leader or ruler,the only thing they need is being united.nothing more.

That was my hypothesis (not completely mine but of media also).That's why i asked Iranians for reason they have to antilocute against a country which does not share it's border or have any conflict with Iran.To an outsider you people seem to be supporting people who does not care for you at best and want to annhilate you at worst.

 

[punkbuster]

"wiping Israel off the map" is just a propaganda made by media streams that follows their same agenda against Iran, he meant Israel regime will fall like the downfall of soviet Union in the past. The sunni/shia situation is not as bad as you might think that is one of the reasons that Wahhabism exists. [www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwntRG6-QmE]

If you want to understand the reality behind these theaters, I'd suggest you read The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower. You could read the comments there to get some ideas of what his book has to say. I'd recommend his other books too.

Good luck

 

[twilight]

That was my hypothesis (not completely mine but of media also).That's why i asked Iranians for reason they have to antilocute against a country which does not share it's border or have any conflict with Iran.To an outsider you people seem to be supporting people who does not care for you at best and want to annhilate you at worst.

this is some religious matter and historical issue ,

1- Iranian are shia ( most of them ) and according to our religion laws , we can't sit and let Israel do wherever he want in Muslims countries ....

2- Hezbollah and some Lebanon are shia and we should support them if we can ( and we can ) ....

3- Imam Ali and most of our Imam predict the Jews would come together and invade muslims land and occupy Jerusalem ... and they will get annihilate in Armageddon war ( that why Ahmadinejad saying we will annihilate Isreal , simply he only saying a old religion prediction ) >>> another thing , in that prediction , Sofiani in Syria will become Savior and his Yemeni and Khorasani' armies, greatest enemy - and that mean Syria will become Zionist puppet ... so I personally will never become Amazed if Assad fall ....

well I should say our Imams already predicted mongol attack and that was true ( they predict it 500-600 years before mongol invasion )

4- Brittan empire created a new religion with name Baha'i to destroying Shia from inside and Israel support them ....

5- West don't want allow to a Muslims religious country become strong and they only using Israel as a excuse to action against us ...

6- ...

well my English isn't good , so sorry about grammar mistakes ....

 

[longbrained]

Iran Israel rivalry:

Iran Turkey rivalry:

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Real world politics (2002):

 

[mehmeTcc]

There are no rivalry between Iran and Turkey. We are two different players.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

There are no rivalry between Iran and Turkey. We are two different players.

Its just what happend when there are two regional power.
we are very mature countries in the sense that we are inceasing our relation everyday and at the same time going after our interests without getting hostile towards each other.

 

[Arian]

I don't know about others, but for me, and many other Iranians, maybe the majority, Israel has every right to exist on the map as long as it is a responsible country with a functioning and legal system. Today's Israel is nothing but a trouble maker in the region who has been a hostile and aggressive country from nearly 6 decades ago. If Israelis accept to live peacefully in the region and stop interfering in regional affairs and understand that they must play a role in the region as their size, then they're welcome. But for now I see Israeli regime nothing more than an apartheid regime which is aggressive and the only way to talk to it is through standing firm against them.

 

[The SC]

Saudis are very reluctant to fill the gap of Iranian oil, since they understand by now that they might be next on the Judeo-Christian Zionist's agenda.
As for this Shia-Sunni, arab-persian, persian-turks is just trying to exploit cultural differences in the same Ummah for western negative purposes of divide and reign policy.

Muslims can start bombarding the world's media with historical wars between the french the british the germans,the poles ,the slovacs and so on, there are tons of possibilities, or the american civil war, the war with mexico and so on, the possibilities are endless and we can cause real fitna amongst them. that is exactly their intention for us, but since we know how to use fitna and ruse better than them, we can be very dangerous to their unity and survival.

 

[The SC]

I don't know about others, but for me, and many other Iranians, maybe the majority, Israel has every right to exist on the map as long as it is a responsible country with a functioning and legal system. Today's Israel is nothing but a trouble maker in the region who has been a hostile and aggressive country from nearly 6 decades ago. If Israelis accept to live peacefully in the region and stop interfering in regional affairs and understand that they must play a role in the region as their size, then they're welcome. But for now I see Israeli regime nothing more than an apartheid regime which is aggressive and the only way to talk to it is through standing firm against them.

The real conflict stems from he territories Israel had occupied by force, jews came to palestine as refugees hiding the british zionist agenda for the creation of israel.
It is like someone saying that he used to live on the American continent when earth was a one mass of land and today it belongs to him legally.
Do you see their logic wich is illogic in nature.
so the right of israel to exist on the map is a very relative matter, they will have to accept maybe 1/5th or less of the land they are occupying in palestine. or a statuquo like now which will lead to its total collapse and disappearance in the glims of history.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Rejected? We never want to be the leader of the Arab world and will never be. There are decades among us.

No one can be the leader of Arabs but Arabs themselves. Don't forget that Arabs created this Ummah in the name of true Islam as well as Ottoman empire ruled in the name of Islam not Turks name, so thats why it lasted for 400 years but when the secular rulers of Ottoman empire strayed from the right path around 1900, Arabs got their independence. Most of Ottomany time were one the best times of Ummah.

"wiping Israel off the map" is just a propaganda made by media streams that follows their same agenda against Iran, he meant Israel regime will fall like the downfall of soviet Union in the past. The sunni/shia situation is not as bad as you might think that is one of the reasons that Wahhabism exists. [www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwntRG6-QmE]

If you want to understand the reality behind these theaters, I'd suggest you read The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower. You could read the comments there to get some ideas of what his book has to say. I'd recommend his other books too.

Good luck

My friend, Frankly speaking, I don't know what whabisim means and all I know is that the vast majority of Muslims in Arab world have the same exact believes as Saudi Muslims, we even prefer to listen to their clerics. But I can tell you that about 99% of the people I know in Arab world don't consider Iran as part of this Ummah. I haven't heard since 2010 one person welcomes its intervention in the region but only few people from Bahrain, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq due to their backgrounds.

Your question has a big problem: Iran doesn't want to rule the Muslim world.Bring me one statement from a high rank official who has said anything about ruling the Muslim world.
Muslims don't want a leader or ruler,the only thing they need is being united.nothing more.

Beautiful words, but your regime actions for the last 33 years refute them my friend. I understand that your a kind person but I am saying what I think.

I don't know about others, but for me, and many other Iranians, maybe the majority, Israel has every right to exist on the map as long as it is a responsible country with a functioning and legal system. Today's Israel is nothing but a trouble maker in the region who has been a hostile and aggressive country from nearly 6 decades ago. If Israelis accept to live peacefully in the region and stop interfering in regional affairs and understand that they must play a role in the region as their size, then they're welcome. But for now I see Israeli regime nothing more than an apartheid regime which is aggressive and the only way to talk to it is through standing firm against them.

We knew that for a very long time. Thank you for being honest.

Saudis are very reluctant to fill the gap of Iranian oil, since they understand by now that they might be next on the Judeo-Christian Zionist's agenda.
As for this Shia-Sunni, arab-persian, persian-turks is just trying to exploit cultural differences in the same Ummah for westernnegative purposes of divide and reign policy.

Muslims can start bombarding the world's media with historical wars between the french the british the germans,the poles ,the slovacs and so on, there are tons of possibilities, or the american civil war, the war with mexico and so on, the possibilities are endless and we can cause real fitna amongst them. that is exactly their intention, but since we know how to use fitna and ruse better tan them, we can be very dangerous to their unity and survival.

As I said nothing between Turks and Arabs but beautiful memories of Islamic and Ottoman rules. All of us revere Mohammed Alfateh. And now Ardogan.

 

[The SC]

I am compelled to tell you that The islamic republic of Iran is an important and leading part of the Muslim Ummah since its inception and the futuhat. This is what I know with certainty.
And I am from Ahlo al bayt and brought up in an islamic frame of sunnat al rassool and accepting Ali as waliyo allah and the one to whom our prophet Mohammed SAAS give the banner of Islam to hold high in his place and abu bakr ssiddiq for his unparalleled courage and faithfulness. but I am not sunni or shia or else in islam, I just know pure Islam and the world of god in the Qura'n.
"Oua 'itasimou bi Habli allhi jami'aan oua la ttafraquou", Since, in the time of our prophet there was only one kind of Islam, and that's what I believe in.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I am compelled to tell you that The islamic republic of Iran is an important and leading part of the Muslim Ummah since its inception and the futuhat. This is what I know with certainty.
And I am from Ahlo al bayt and brought up in an islamic frame of sunnat al rassool and accepting Ali as waliyo allah and the one to whom our prophet Mohammed SAAS give the banner of Islam to hold high in his place and abu bakr ssiddiq for his unparalleled courage and faithfulness. but I am not sunni or shia or else in islam, I just know pure Islam and the world of god in the Qura'n.
"Oua 'itasimou bi Habli allhi jami'aan oua la ttafraquou", Since, in the time of our prophet there was only one kind of Islam, and that's what I believe in.

Dude! I said I know because I am an active member in the most viewed Arab forums and sites, the vast majority don't identify Iran as part of the Ummah. It has a religious regime that adopts totally different believes from us. I have no desire discuss religion here, so thats why I avoided mentioning it in my previous post.