A question for Iranians something I always wondered

[p(-)0ENiX]

Iran definitely needs focus on their air force, no offence to Iranians of course but air superiority is essential in this era for gaining the upper hand at times of war.

Air superiority is a necessity. Since the German attack on Poland in 1939, no country has won a war in the face of enemy air superiority, no major offensive has succeeded against an opponent who controlled the air, and no defense has sustained itself against an enemy who had air superiority. Conversely, no state has lost a war while it maintained air superiority, and attainment of air superiority consistently has been a prelude to military victory. It is vital that national and theater commanders, their air component commanders, and their surface component commanders be aware of these historical facts, and plan accordingly.

To be superior in the air, to have air superiority, means having sufficient control of the air to make air attacks on the enemy without serious opposition and, on the other hand, to be free from the danger of serious enemy air incursions. Of course, variations exist within the category of air superiority.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/warden/wrdchp01.htm

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

There was a debate on these pictures on an Iranian site and we came in to belief at last that these pics are fake.
Don't you think the pics are too new to belong to 70s times?These pics don't look like 34 years ago.
Iran received only one f-16 and it haven't been seen since the revolution.Before Americans leave Iran,they sabotaged some Iran's jet's and defence Systems in Mehrabad airport,Tehran.Maybe that f-16 was there.

Besides,It's not the body of the f-16 that makes it special.It's Radar,engine,missiles and other things.Surely making an engine like the one in f-16 is not something that Iran can do at the moment.
These copies of f-5 use a more advanced radar,mig-29 RD-33 engine and advanced air to air guided missiles.
To be honest.,i don't know how Iran achieved or made the radar.

I cant find where it says this picture was taken in the 70s, I think it is a new picture.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Because it takes huge resources to reverse engineer it.It doesn't worth to put all your resources for a Jet that is especially designed for navy and air patrol.It's not a suitable jet for dog-fighting and Air superiority.If we had something like f-15 SE,then you could say this.

Man, F-14 was one of the most powerful multirole fighter in the world... its radar detection distance is about 360km, so it still has a considerable capabilities those days. Its problem always was its high operational costs as well as spare parts.

 

[Mosamania]

Nobody here can tell you anything about Iran, all i can say is that Iran always surprises.
like how usa refused to give spare parts for f-14 then Iran managed to produce it themselves.
Iran has an amazing overhaul capability.

regard to the comment about missile, an plane can easily be shot or brought down, whether it be an missile or cyberwarfare remember the RQ-170? Iran sejill 2 are a nightmare for Israel, they are much more deadly. the only advantage an f-16 has is that it is reusable and can have air combat.

I think the RQ-170 sensors,engine will push Iran ability by at least 15 years!

You over estimate the capability of missiles. Yes Jets can be shot down but now even Missiles can be shot down. In a war you want a jet that can see the tanks and armored divisions and enemy personnel in the ground and drop weapons on them. You need a jet to do CAS and recon roles.

You need 1000 Missiles to shut down 5 Airports but only 4 jets to shut down 1 airport. You see what I am getting at.

 

[500]

Before the 1979 revolution the US delivered 1 or 2 F-16s to Iran:

So my Question is:
Why the inferior F-5 is made into Saeqah?? The F-16 is a much much better jet than F-5.

I mean to make a copy of the F-5 (Even if it is upgraded) when you can make one of the F-16 is just a huge waste of time and resources if you ask me.

Not a single F-16 was delievered to Iran. These pics are toys.

 

[Mosamania]

Not a single F-16 was delievered to Iran. These pics are toys.

They surely did a good job in making them look real.

 

[Serpentine]

I cant find where it says this picture was taken in the 70s, I think it is a new picture.

Look at the f-16 body again.
It says IIAF (Imperial Iranian Air Force) which is before revolution.
Current Air Force is IRIAF.

Not a single F-16 was delievered to Iran. These pics are toys.

Iran ordered more than 100 F-16s and paid the money,but U.S didn't deliver it and gave them to Israel.
in other words,Israel stole it's current f-16s from Iran.You are used to steal stuff,whether it be land or F-16.

 

[500]

They surely did a good job in making them look real.

You can see its a toy by its nozzle.

Iran ordered more than 100 F-16s and paid the money,but U.S didn't deliver it and gave them to Israel.
in other words,Israel stole it's current f-16s from Iran.You are used to steal stuff,whether it be land or F-16.

Cry me a river. You seriously expected US supply u airplanes after u siezed their embassy?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You can see its a toy by its nozzle.

What's wrong with its nozzle?

 

[Desert Fox]

You over estimate the capability of missiles. Yes Jets can be shot down but now even Missiles can be shot down.

The probability of shooting down a missile is much less then shooting down an aircraft, not to mention anti missile systems can be overwhelmed and are not 100% accurate because the tech is recent.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The probability of shooting down a missile is much less then shooting down an aircraft, not to mention anti missile systems can be overwhelmed and are not 100% accurate because the tech is recent.

Actually, long and medium range missiles can be shot down even with relatively large numbers by modern Pateriot pac-3 and Thaad, Thaad system can shot down a long range missile in Stratosphere.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The probability of shooting down a missile is much less then shooting down an aircraft, not to mention anti missile systems can be overwhelmed and are not 100% accurate because the tech is recent.

F-15 carries 11 ton weapons with 5 m inaccuracy while Scud C/D have about 1000/500 kg payload with about 500 m inaccuracy. So, Iraq had 17000 anti air missiles, 4000 a/a cannons as well as 300 fighters/interceptors and didn't shot down but a couple of jets.

 

[darkinsky]

if iranians reverse engineered f-5 why didnt they mass produced it??

 

[Icewolf]

It says on Wikipedia that Iran engineers say F-18 is equal to Saeqeah... idk if this is true cause i haven't seen specs on Saeqeah

 

[Durvag]

Iran's Saeqah does not meet the 4th gen criteria (Please understand I am not attacking Iran's industry in anyway) The F-5 was discarded by majority of Air Forces around the world because its whole design is obsolete and is lacking in many aspects. If there was a chance for further development they would have done it like the case with the F-15 Silent Eagle.

F-16 however if remastered and mass produced by Iran would be a substantial upgrade to Iran's current Air Force status. I agree and I disagree with what you said about the money is in the missiles.

Iran is producing missiles to make up for its shortage in Air Force capability which is a smart move considering that Iran has to play the hand it is served. After all Missiles are just a delivery system. Just as Fighter jets are also a delivery system. However Jets are more accurate and more versatile than Rockets and Missiles. If missiles were the best delivery system then world powers would not be making Fighter Jets instead just focusing on missiles.


I am eager to see what Iran can produce but when it comes to the Air you are only as good as what your neighbors are flying.

they did, search f 20, it was upgraded f 5 by northrop!