A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan

[Yankee-stani]

Oh gawd. And 1.2 billion Hindus will drown in the Ganga. You ran away from them. Don't forget that. Lynch victims can only live in delusions ...

Why would anyone want to include the over polluted Stinky Ganga river and Delhi to Pakistans geography yeah no thanks

 

[Naofumi]

Why doesn't India give up Kashmir? It's essentially an ego problem. Nothing else. I am just grabbing my popcorn and watching the shit show that is about to take place in India in the next 10 years. The giant Vedic elephant will sink.

Dominat views against this :-

1. Right wing views even the partition as an abomination, so Kashmir is the atoot ang.
2. Left wing wants human rights violation to end and previous violators to be punished and yup a plebiscite but you know the historical reasons blah blah.
3. Centrist position - any combination of the above two.

 

[Cliftonite]

Dehli will be made Capital of Pakistan and we will get back Western UP as Quaid wanted with Urdu as national Language. Racists and Secularists will go to hell

Chanda what will we do with the 100 million Hindus and Sikhs living in the Ganga Jamuna belt? Islam seems to be taking over in the North east of India- Assam and West Bengal. Had our leaders not been so trigger happy during 1971, we had a much better chance of reclamation in that area.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Tell me sunshine. We already had a "union" under the British Raj before 1947. Why were millions killed in partition. Wars fought? Kind of sounds absurd. You break a plate and then glue it together?

Broke-Forming a union of so called South Asian countries based on maps made by British Imperialists and will force countries like Pakistan to be under Indian Imperialism
Woke-Pakistan focusing on westward countries in forming a modern Day Eurasian century and union stretching from Pakistan all the way to Turkey, Greece and the Balkans via Central Asia and the Caucasus

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Oh gawd. And 1.2 billion Hindus will drown in the Ganga. You ran away from them. Don't forget that. Lynch victims can only live in delusions ...

We didn't ran. We saved your ancestors from slavery. You and Sanghis will be going to comcentration camps

Chanda what will we do with the 100 million Hindus and Sikhs living in the Ganga Jamuna belt? Islam seems to be taking over in the North east of India- Assam and West Bengal. Had our leaders not been so trigger happy during 1971, we had a much better chance of reclamation in that area.

No need to worry about that

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan
Written by: Jamahir
Category cloud: Opinion, analysis
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India and Pakistan need to settle the long, sad but frankly immature dispute over Kashmir once and for all. Peacefully and politically. Both have similar social, economic and political problems so any nuanced and generic solution for one country can also be used by the other country. The prescribed solution by the UNO is impractical. As it involves, as far as I understand, India withdrawing military units stationed in India-administered Kashmir and then arranging for a plebiscite there while also accepting the UNO as a mediator. But the Indian Establishment believes, as also its foreign allies, that India-administered Kashmir is primarily a matter internal to India but since Pakistan cannot be wished away the matter should involve both countries settling the matter between themselves, peacefully and politically. But any such settlement should benefit both the countries immediately and in the long term.

Therefore I present one solution as below. The solution is based on Muammar Gaddafi's solution for Kashmir to which I have added some bits.

1. Both countries should adopt the same Progressive political system. Two separate, independent republics but with the same political system, much like what pre-2003 Iraq and Syria were with their same Ba'athist systems. The Progressive political system can be the Direct Democracy Socialism system that governed Libya until the 2011 war. Readers can refer to these pages to understand how this system works. This system is called the Third Universal Theory aka Jamahiriya theory. In India, a form of Direct Democracy called Swaraj is being implemented in Delhi by the ruling AAP party and is also being forwarded by the Swaraj Abhiyan movement and there is no reason why it cannot be extended to Pakistan as well.

2. Let Indian-administered Kashmir and Pakistani-administered Kashmir remain with their respective countries.

3. Convert the LoC into an International Border that is accessible for trade, tourism and family visits.

All this will make the separatists in India-administered Kashmir to understand that their desire to join Pakistan-administered Kashmir is unnecessary because both countries will have become the same, politically.

Furthermore, with separatist militancy reduced in Indian-administered Kashmir, what will remain is regressive religious militancy or activism which can be controlled and removed with social support by progressives among the local population. The side effect will also be a drastic removal of the current military force which will lead to more goodwill for the peace project.

I speak of the troubles and concerns of Muslims in Indian Kashmir and I will also speak of the troubles and concerns of the Kashmiri Pundit refugees. There must be something like Nelson Mandela's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I would like the refugee Kashmiri Pandits to be allowed to return back to the Valley.

The next step would be resumption of the Aman Ki Asha peace mission as well as resumption of food and clothing festivals to be organized in both countries.

If not for such a solution, how long would the Establishments of India and Pakistan keep up with this cross-border hate? For another 50 years? 100? Until a reformed UNO decides to send in a military arbitrator force? And would the people of both countries not like the money and other resources spent by their respective militaries in positioning against each other to be spent on making each others countries a welfare state where there are things like high quality free medical system like in Cuba?

An important point is that the given solution will not only benefit the Kashmiri's but also will bring progress to India and Pakistan - socially, economically and politically.

Lastly, to extend a point about direct democracy socialism, It worked in Libya and it is being implemented in Venezuela ( the consejos comunales - communal councils ). Two different kinds of countries, ethnically and geographically. No reason why India and Pakistan cannot adopt the system given the fact that both countries have so much in common. And just Direct Democracy without the socialism part has been the system in Switzerland for long.

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Disclaimer: The post only represents writer's own point of views. The post do not represent point of views of Pakistan Defence management. Pakistan Defence Team will not be responsible for disagreements.
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Credits: The post is written by Jamahir, India. The proof reading and some other editing has been done by Think Tank Analyst, Forcetrip. The final formatting, editing and picture uploading is done by Slav Defence., Think Tank Vice Chairman.

Na Mumkin. No Kashmiri gets left behind.

We won't surrender our people to face gebocide, mass rape, and extermination.

 

[Psychic]

@jamahir you can only talk about this if India is willing to. Most of the time in Indo-Pak history, India has always stalled peace talks which eventually led to wars.

Last time, when Musharraf made a compromise, Indians replied with atot ang theory.

Now, no Kashmiri will agree surrendering infront of India today. That train has left the station. You have missed that opportunity ;thanks to your oppression, now even those leaders who used to be your puppets are not with you.

And, lastly, no talk can succeed without the agreement of the Kashmiris themselves. It really sounds funny when someone who is sitting a thousand kilometers away from Kashmir becomes the judge of their fate and whitewashes the brutal occupation of the region by his country.

You seem to care more about the land (make it a part of India through soft approach) and less about the inhabitants of that land if at all.

 

[jamahir]

And, lastly, no talk can succeed without the agreement of the Kashmiris themselves. It really sounds funny when someone who is sitting a thousand kilometers away from Kashmir becomes the judge of their fate and whitewashes the brutal occupation of the region by his country.

You seem to care more about the land (make it a part of India through soft approach) and less about the inhabitants of that land if at all.

OK, I will speak of India-administered Kashmir here.

I am concerned about the Kashmiri people which is why I speak of drastic reduction in Indian armed forces stationed there. This will result in no disappearances of innocent people, State acceptance of past incidents like the Kunan-Poshpora incident of 1991, no lockdowns, no arbitrary stoppage of telecommunications, no army or police barricades etc. I want Kashmiri people's lives to be as normal as anywhere else.

And in the big picture, through India becoming governed by a Progressive political system that will replace the current regressive and corrupt social system I speak of re-emergence of the Kashmiriyat values which have lately been eroded by regressive elements like Asiya Andrabi's burqa gang, the Dukhtaraan e Millat. Look at what Kashmir was in the past. Let us take the name of the famed Srinagar place called Lal Chowk :

Lal Chowk was named so by Left-wing activists inspired by the Russian Revolution as they fought Maharaja Hari Singh

Why doesn't India give up Kashmir? It's essentially an ego problem.

Maybe the Indian Establishment looks at Kashmir as a buffer zone placed between India and Pakistan. Strategic depth. It would be the same argument if Pakistan would claim the Indian state of Rajasthan which borders Pakistani Sindh.

And yes

We already had a "union" under the British Raj before 1947. Why were millions killed in partition. Wars fought? Kind of sounds absurd. You break a plate and then glue it together?

That is incorrect logic. Just because there were wars in the past doesn't mean they have to be continued in the current and the future. Is there any logical reason why peace cannot be discussed ?

When European countries fought amongst themselves, even using poison gas, they are now an alliance. They have put the past into the past.

European Union (actually it's precursors) were formed after the most brutal war of the century, people learn and realise mistakes.

My point too.

What is to trade with Afghanistan? Opium? Dry fruits?

Minerals and fossil fuels :

Mining in Afghanistan is controlled by the Ministry of Mines and Petroleum, which is headquartered in Kabul with regional offices in other parts of the country. Afghanistan has over 1,400 mineral fields, containing barite, chromite, coal, copper, gold, iron ore, lead, natural gas, petroleum, precious and semi-precious stones, salt, sulfur, talc, and zinc, among many other minerals. Gemstones include high-quality emerald, lapis lazuli, red garnet and ruby. According to a joint study by The Pentagon and the United States Geological Survey, Afghanistan has an estimated US$3 trillion of untapped minerals.

There are six lapis mines in Afghanistan, the largest being located in Badakhshan province. There are around 12 copper mines in the country, including the Aynak copper deposit located in Logar province. Afghanistan's significance from an energy standpoint stems from its geographical position as a transit route for oil, natural gas, and electricity exports from Central Asia to South Asia and the Arabian Sea. This potential includes the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline gas pipeline.The first Afghan oil production began in late 2012.

Na Mumkin. No Kashmiri gets left behind.

We won't surrender our people to face gebocide, mass rape, and extermination.

Bhai, I am not talking about India dominating the discussion. I speak of both sides. I ask you to real the OP again.

 

[padamchen]

@jamahir

Give up bhai.

Hindus don't want to live with Muslims any longer.

Woh kashti doob kar beh chuki hai nafrat ki nadi mein.

I wanted to type a long post to @Imran Khan but the humidity and my phone made me take a nap instead.

He is one smart cookie.

 

[Naofumi]

Hindus don't want to live with Muslims any longer.

To isse Kashmir ka kya lena dena?

 

[padamchen]

To isse Kashmir ka kya lena dena?

They will not share Kashmir with Muslims.

 

[Naofumi]

They will not share Kashmir with Muslims.

But Kashmir is already Muslim.

 

[padamchen]

But Kashmir is already Muslim.

Kashmir is Indian.

India is Hindu.

 

[Naofumi]

Kashmir is Indian.

India is Hindu.

Parsi is Hindu too?

 

[padamchen]

Parsi is Hindu too?

Hindus are Parsi.