What's new

A New Strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan

the government of the PPP is absolutely determined to confront the Pakistani security establishment and imagines that it can sell this confrontation as another struggle for democracy.

Actually, that would be music to my ears!

I can't wait for the day when this unholy alliance between the military elite and the oligarchs gets broken, and a military strongman finally does the needful to break the oligarchs.

As it is, it's not likely to happen. I don't know where Zardari's assets are located, but the other feudals will quickly give him a reality check if he tries to mess with the army. Neither the oligarchs nor the military elite want a phudda with each other.

The military is very good at protecting Pakistan's interests, but the price we pay is that they are in cahoots with the feudals.
 
.
It does not have to be "unholy" - the purpose of the alliance, the ideas that inform it, can differentiate "unholy" from utilitarian.
 
.
Being in Iran gave them space, access to central Asia, the Caucasus, the gulf and South Asia through Pakistan - they have neither of these, they are in a trap, designed to exhaust them -- The great Afghan mission, to do what? Beyond the canned 9/11 And terrorism tripe, to do what? other than to exhaust themselves - all the while their competitors benefit from the US happily imagining herself at the center of the world, while she is really in a cage.

Today he complains of the Pakistani supply line, tomorrow, the Russian will give him cause to remember the Pakistani supply line as if through rose colored lens.

All around Afghanistan, the strategic competitors of the US continue to forge deep and profitable relationships, what does the US forge other than enmity of those whom it proclaimed it came to save??

I encourage you to not be like others here who wear the US nationality or citizenship on their sleeves (more catholic than the Pope) If a criticism has merit it should be examined and not brushed away in the "they hate our freedoms" manner, after all why even attempt to fool all the people all the time.

muse: Thank you for that clarification. I understand your point a little better now.

We will for sure discuss this further, but let me say this for now:

As you get to know me better, you will see that I am not like any of those "catholics" that you mention! :lol:
 
.
China has a special place in the hearts and minds of the Pakistani nation, to be the enemy of China is to be the enemy of Pakistan - this is the reality which the US policy makers despise - and they are welcome to despise it, for it readily differentiates friend from foe.

Why do you need this umbilical relationship with big powers.

India-China trade is already crossing $60 billion annually. This is not a small amount at a time when western markets are stagnating, and it is growing quite rapidly. China may at some point feel the need to re-evaluate the wisdom of backing the Indo-centric Pak Mil.

The reality is that not more than 2% of the residents of Indian administered Jammu-Kashmir want to join Pakistan (as per all neutral opinion polls), and there is no chance of the emergence of a new independent country in South Asia. It was this reality that led Musharraf to take a pragmatic approach with Manmohan Singh, and a solution was very very close. Now Kayani has gone back to the "thousand year war" approach.

If Pakistan can take a sensible approach in its relations with India, it will have no need for any umbilical relationship with any godfathers. Peace with India will mean that there is no need to dominate the Afghans, and the "war on terror" will finally be over.
 
Last edited:
.
Whatever:cheers: India continue to see China through hostile eyes and as far as needing umbilical relations, well, China is a neighbor, a friendly one, India on the other hand has crafted her diplomacy with neighbors such that they view her with suspicion and fear, while far away powers seek to entice India in a anti-China coalition.
 
.
India continue to see China through hostile eyes .. India on the other hand has crafted her diplomacy with neighbors such that they view her with suspicion and fear, while far away powers seek to entice India in a anti-China coalition.

India has pretty good relations with every country in South Asia except Pakistan, and India's problems with China are almost entirely a result Chinese backing of the Indo-centric Pak Mil. India will have to craft a multi-dimensional response to the situation.

A reset with India, a recognition of the practical realities, a revival of the Musharraf approach, is the road deliverance from the "war on terror". Does that not merit something more than a "whatever". Anyway, one hopes wisdom will prevail.
 
.
I'm all for a reset but I fear India are not prepared for the sacrifice it must make - and if it please you continue to think that your neighbors appreciate you - that's why they are allies of the country Indians refer to as the number one threat.
 
.
I'm all for a reset but I fear India are not prepared for the sacrifice it must make - and if it please you continue to think that your neighbors appreciate you - that's why they are allies of the country Indians refer to as the number one threat.

It is Pakistan that has backed out from the Musharraf-Manmohan plan in favour of Kayani's "thousand year war" strategy.

And which of India's neighbours are you talking about?
 
.
Obama_Pied_Piper_of_Washington_by_Latuff2.jpg


Apt don't you think?
 
.
The military is very good at protecting Pakistan's interests, but the price we pay is that they are in cahoots with the feudals.

Its a necessary Evil, Havent you seen how the corporates work in US, i guess there must be a mutual framework agreed upon by both Fauj and PPP to work things out.
 
.
It does not have to be "unholy" - the purpose of the alliance, the ideas that inform it, can differentiate "unholy" from utilitarian.

and

Its a necessary Evil, Havent you seen how the corporates work in US, i guess there must be a mutual framework agreed upon by both Fauj and PPP to work things out.

The alliance is a short-sighted approach. We fault the Americans for cozying up to the bigwigs and ignoring the common folk, but the army is doing the same.

Also. the army will have much more money and freedom if Pakistan's foreign policy is not beholden to the sugar daddy of the day. We need major societal reforms (land, tax, etc.) which will expand the revenue base for the treasury and make the country self-sufficient.
 
.
COMMENT: Dirty dancing to the drone hum

Daily Times
Dr Mohammad Taqi
November 25, 2010

This past weekend The Washington Post reported with an Islamabad dateline that the US has increased pressure on Pakistan to allow the CIA an expanded theatre for its unmanned aerial vehicles or drones operations inside Pakistan. Though hotly debated, the drone operations were not the newsworthy item in the story. The fact that instead of the ‘lawless tribal areas’, the US ‘appeal’ had focused on Quetta – the provincial capital of Balochistan – and its vicinity caught everyone’s immediate attention.

Analysts have since been debating whether the news item was a feeler to gauge the Pakistani official and public response to the possible attacks in or near Quetta or is a harbinger of the drones swooping down on a densely populated city. The news piece specifically mentions the members of the Quetta Shura of the Afghan Taliban as the potential targets.

The Quetta Shura has been in existence since 2003 when the Taliban leadership regrouped after the demise of their emirate in Afghanistan. It is the topmost tier of the Afghan Taliban leadership, consisting mostly of those who held cabinet, gubernatorial or military portfolios in the Taliban regime from 1996-2001. The Shura remains under the direct supervision of Mullah Omar, the doctrinal and political leader of the Taliban. (As an aside, one must note that while the man has nothing to do with spirituality in the commonly understood sense of the word, many western journalists insist – erroneously – on calling him the spiritual head of the Taliban.) It is a policy and decision-making entity dealing with both strategy and tactics. It appoints the shadow governors (waali), district administrators (uluswaal) and operational commanders, and even adjudicates criminal justice matters.

Now consider Quetta, which has a population of roughly one million people. But also of note is that the city is home to the Pakistan Army’s XII Corps, ISI regional headquarters, the Balochistan Frontier Corps, a robust army selection and recruitment centre and the Pakistan Air Force base Samungli. And last, but not the least, the Pakistan Army’s Command and Staff College, almost a required stepping stone to senior leadership in the army, is at Quetta.

Considering the massive cantonment that Quetta is, anyone familiar with the city’s grid plan and its post-1978 demographics would find it hard to believe that the head honchos of the Shura can move in or around the city without the knowledge of the security establishment. In addition, any movement of the Taliban to Karachi or northwards to South Waziristan is incomprehensible without the local authorities getting a whiff of it. It cannot be completely lost on the US planners that the Taliban cannot operate in Quetta without at least some local protection. What, then, is the US trying to achieve by threatening strikes in a major population centre?

In a situation where the US could not or would not use political, economic and full military means to resolve a major rift with Pakistan, it has chosen to continue relying on the use of limited force in well-circumscribed areas. These so-called discrete military operations carried out through Predator or Reaper drones are supposed to press Pakistan to act against the al Qaeda-Taliban sanctuaries in Quetta and FATA. But exactly how discreet are these drone operations?

For starters, the Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman in his response to the Post article has conceded that there are certain red lines that the US cannot cross. He also referred to the ‘boxes’ (aerial or geographical demarcations) over which the drones operate. More important is a small technical detail that the drones can operate successfully only when unopposed. They can be shot down by fighter jets with relative ease; Iraq’s MiG-25s did that circa 1999. It all points to an undeclared, uneasy and reluctant understanding between the US and Pakistan about the drone campaign, which George Bush also mentions in his recently released memoir, Decision Points.

Instead of publicly confronting the Pakistani security establishment for harbouring the three major components of the Afghan militancy, i.e. the Quetta Shura, the Haqqani network and Hizb-e-Islami (Gulbuddin), the US has opted to up the ante through unattributed news reports. When reached by this writer, the media contact persons at the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, and the CENTCOM offices in Tampa, Florida, declined to comment on The Washington Post story. What the Post report really did was point towards the hypocritical moves in the dirty dancing going on between the US and Pakistan for almost a decade now.

Both the proponents and opponents of the drone attacks agree that they are a tactic, not a strategy. There is little doubt that the campaign has successfully decapitated the senior Pakistani, Afghan and al Qaeda jihadist leadership and disrupted their movement, planning and training, thus resulting in significant execution setbacks for them in the Pak-Afghan region and around the world. It is also pertinent to note that research led by the Pashtun intelligentsia has debunked the myth of high civilian casualties perpetuated by a pro-jihadist media and some bleeding-heart liberals in the West.

Under pressure from its military commanders in Afghanistan, the US political leadership has to act. But like the original anti-Taliban campaign of 2001, they want to take the easy route and do it at a minimum human, dollar, and political cost. This approach, which involves back door dealings with the Pakistani establishment, did not give durable results then and will fail again. The US must remember that the only time their ‘allies’ make even a half-hearted move against the jihadists, is in the face of overwhelming public pressure, e.g. in Swat. Reluctant to act for two years, the army undertook the operation after intense public, media and political pressure. There is no shortcut to developing a political consensus about the strategy.

Discreet military operations cannot deliver strategic results or induce a paradigm shift in the Pakistani establishment’s thinking. If the public opinion reaching us directly, especially from the Pakhtunkhwa and FATA, is anything to go by, the people want the drone campaign to be legally regularised and the political leadership to take ownership. Without helping the Pakistani political leaders stand up to the India-centric brass, the US risks not only tactical failure but also a strategic debacle in Afghanistan. The Pakistani establishment has set the US up to keep playing whack-a-mole with the jihadists. Drone attacks in Quetta is one such whack that must be avoided.
 
.
Without helping the Pakistani political leaders stand up to the India-centric brass, the US risks not only tactical failure but also a strategic debacle in Afghanistan

Enough said and all credibility lost.


Considering the massive cantonment that Quetta is, anyone familiar with the city’s grid plan and its post-1978 demographics would find it hard to believe that the head honchos of the Shura can move in or around the city without the knowledge of the security establishment.

So, Dr. Tagi, if we apply what you have said to the rivalries between Baloch Sardars what have resulted in the deaths of thousands including police and security personnel, the Pakistanis armed forces know how to stop their soldiers from being killed but choose not???

And you actually expect people to buy into this?
 
.
EDITORIAL: Visiting Afghanistan

Daily Times
December 05, 2010

US President Barack Obama made a surprise visit to Afghanistan on Friday and met US troops at Bagram Air Base. He asserted that the US “will never let this country [Afghanistan] serve as a safe haven for terrorists who would attack the United States of America again...This part of the world is the centre of a global effort where we are going to disrupt and dismantle and defeat al Qaeda and its extremist allies.”

The Americans believe that if the Taliban manage to come back to power in Afghanistan, al Qaeda would once again be allowed to operate freely from Afghan soil. In order to pre-empt that, the US wants to damage the Taliban to such an extent that they are forced to negotiate on US terms. Mullah Omar’s Taliban faction is not ready to talk to the Karzai regime till the foreign forces leave Afghanistan but whether the Haqqani network shares the same view is not yet clear. On the other hand, the Karzai regime is under attack for rigging the elections. Before withdrawing its troops, the US and NATO wanted to put in place a credible political government but that has not happened. President Karzai has tried to distance himself from the foreign troops in recent days by openly criticising their special operations. It is not yet clear whether Mr Obama’s lightning visit was an attempt to boost the morale of the US troops or if it had anything to do with the recently released US diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks or to give a ‘message’ to Mr Karzai.

Prime Minister Gilani is also on a visit to Afghanistan to boost bilateral relations and economic ties. After meeting President Karzai, Mr Gilani said that “now there is an equal realisation that both the countries are equally suffering because of terrorism and there should be no blame game”. Pakistan has adopted a policy of intervention in Afghanistan for many decades now but instead of gaining something out of our ‘strategic depth’ policy, we have lost a lot more. It is time that Pakistan realises that intervention would not get us anywhere; rather it is pertinent to have friendly relations with Afghanistan. This would not only reduce Indian influence in our neighbourhood but would also curb terrorism to a greater extent. Since the endgame is looming near, we should strive to make the Afghans our friends instead of alienating them through our dual policy vis-à-vis the Afghan Taliban. Terrorism is our common enemy and we must not live under the delusion that the Taliban, be they ‘good’ or ‘bad’, can ever be our real friends.
 
.
EDITORIAL: Pak-Afghan ties

Daily Times
December 07, 2010

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s recent visit to Afghanistan ended on a happy note with both sides vowing to strengthen cooperation in various areas. Relations between the two countries have had their ups and downs and continue to do so. Terrorism is the common enemy of both neighbouring nations but our security establishment’s warped policy of pursuing a strategic depth policy in Afghanistan has led to bitterness on the Afghan side. Despite this, Afghan President Karzai said that “we need to work together to end violence that continues to hurt both of us and we should help each other with full knowledge of the reality.” It is this recognition of a common enemy that was translated in the joint declaration issued at the end of Mr Gilani’s visit. It said, “Terrorism and violent extremism and their international support networks are a major threat undermining peace and stability in the region and beyond.” Mr Gilani’s visit and President Karzai’s renewed pledge to fight militancy together is a step in the right direction.

Pakistan has demanded that Baloch insurgents who have taken refuge in Afghanistan should be handed over and their networks on Afghan soil dismantled. The Afghans have asked Pakistan to end Taliban safe havens in FATA. There is a need to make a clear distinction here. Traditionally the Afghans have provided sanctuary to Baloch dissidents provided they do not operate from its soil. The Afghan Taliban, on the other hand, are not just living on Pakistani soil but are protected by our security establishment when they conduct operations in Afghanistan. We have to realise that our ‘assets’, i.e. the Afghan Taliban, are no one’s friends. We may think they are different from the local Taliban who are openly waging a war against Pakistan but the ground reality is that there is no such thing as the ‘good Taliban’. There is no guarantee that once the Taliban are back in power in Afghanistan, they would cooperate with us. After 9/11 we saw that the Taliban refused to hand over Osama bin Laden despite Pakistan’s insistence. Terrorists are no respecters of borders but due to our India-phobia, we continue to support them. We should be warned that non-state actors often turn out to be monsters instead of the allies we may have thought them to be. Until and unless we stop interfering in Afghanistan’s political and security policies, we cannot decrease India’s influence there. The disastrous policy of pursuing proxy wars through jihadist networks to gain strategic advantage has run its course. It now poses a real threat to the Pakistani state itself. We are inching closer to being a failed state and to roll back this process, we must extend a hand of friendship to our Afghan brethren.

Another positive thing to emerge out of this visit was the strengthening of economic ties between the two countries. Mr Gilani rightly said that “the time has now come to shape our own destiny by joining hands and marching together towards a prosperous future for our peoples”. By enhancing trade ties and signing a new transit trade agreement with Afghanistan, we would be creating a greater rapport with the Afghan people. This is the actual terrain where we should be competing with India. Pakistan should help in the reconstruction, rehabilitation and economic growth of Afghanistan. Befriending Afghanistan would not just bring us closer to them but would also help in bringing back peace and prosperity in the region. It is time to give the Afghans relief from four decades of unremitting warfare and the chance to live peacefully for a change.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom