A nagging question: Is a Pakistani Army soldier killed in battle shaheed?

[Geronimo2011]

What is the urdu word for a martyr ???

 

[chops4d]

will general niazi be called a ghazi??? NO WAY!!!!

 

[Xeric]

the definition is very simple "dieing while fighting for the cause of Islam".

It is this rigidity that we have surrounded ourselves in that have landed us in this shyt of terrorism and extremism. Islam says that you must use a lota of water for ablution and not more than a few KGs of water to do ghusal, so you still following the same?

 

[Pioneerfirst]

This issue had been nagging me for quite a while. I had posted this on facebook as well, but instead of a decent answer, I got "laan taan" from army supporters. Remember, I am not asking about TTP, Taliban etc etc I want your point of views.

My main concern is:
- Whenever a Pak army soldier dies in battle, we (media, army) calls him shaheed. WHY?

According to my knowledge, a shaheed is a person who died for the cause of ALLAH?

Whereas, PAK army soldiers die to Pakistan. And Please dont say dying for Pakistan = Dying for Islam becuase that is not the case. Reason being, PAK ARMY is an open American Ally. We provide them with BASES, AIR SUPPORT, DRONE SPACE, LOGISTICS, SUPPLIES.. so that THEY CAN KILL people (muslims) in afghanistan and Pakistan. In essence we are aiding a KAFIR to KILL muslims.. So this is not jihad by Pak Army. Infact, its the opposite..

So....?

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Islam also says "the one who kills single innocent,has killed the whole humanity"
These terrorist had killed thousands of innocent people in 9/11 and US embassy attacks.This all war strated from there.
Osama assured and misguided the muslims that he will liberate Palestine from Israel and the stupid tried to do this by killing innocent people.He could not succeed in fullfilling his promises but gave another country in the hands of Us i-e Afghanistan.
He pledged the muslims that he will fight US and did not exit from Afghanistan in 2001.In all his vedio message he repeated his pledged and at the end died in a comfortable compound with three of his wives and took the arm at end to protect himself not to muslims.So these people have no moral values and ethics he betrayed the muslims.
Pak Army did not started offensive against them these were the terrorist who killed civilians and armymen first.They have killed 30000 pakistanis in suicide attacks and attacking more in pakistan than US controlled afghanistan.So their purpose is to destroy Pakistan not US so killing them is legal through Islam and Our ARMY MEN ARE TRUELY SHAHEEDS.

 

[Saifullah Sani]

this is ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN and any one who died in struggle to protect ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN is SHAHEED

 

[Abu Basit]

It is this rigidity that we have surrounded ourselves in that have landed us in this shyt of terrorism and extremism. Islam says that you must use a lota of water for ablution and not more than a few KGs of water to do ghusal, so you still following the same?

Quran has already warned from joining hands with kaafirs like Americans. We went against Quran & now surrounded by this shyt terrorism~ hor chupo gandey'rian.

 

[Abu Basit]

this is ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN and any one who died in struggle to protect ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN is SHAHEED

Islamic republic of Pakistan-

 

[Xeric]

Q & A: The Meaning of Shaheed

The Meaning of Shaheed

By Mufti Taqi Usmani
Q.) The word "Shaheed" has been frequently used in the books, newspapers, and magazines for different types of people. I am sure that this word should have a specific connotation in the Islamic Terminology. I will be grateful if you please explain the true meaning of this word and the categories of persons for whom this term may be applied in Shariah.

A.) In fact "Shaheed", is a specific term, used in the Holy Quran and Sunnah. It has certainly a specific meaning and one should be careful before applying this term to a person and you should ascertain whether he is really qualified to be called a "Shaheed."

According to Islamic Jurisprudence, "Shaheed" is of two kinds:

Shaheed in the real sense.
Shaheed in the constructive sense.

Shaheed in the real sense is a Muslim who has been killed during "Jihad" or has been killed by any person unjustly. Such a person has two characteristics different from common people who die on their bed. Firstly, he should be buried without giving him a ritual bath. However, the prayer of the Janazah shall be offered on him and he shall also be given a proper kafin (burial shroud). Secondly, he will deserve a great reward in the Hereafter and it is hoped that Allah Almighty shall forgive his sins and admit him to Jannah. It is also stated in some of the traditions that the body of such a person remains in the grave protected from contamination or dissolution.

As compared to this kind of "Shaheed" a Shaheed in a constructive sense is a person who has been promised by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam to get a reward of a Shaheed in the Hereafter but is not taken as Shaheed with regard to the rules of burial. It means that the dead body has to be bathed like a dead body of any other person. The Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam has included in this category of Shaheed a large number of persons such as a person who has died in a Plague or who has died in an unexpected accident, like a fire or a traffic accident or who has been drowned in the water or a woman who has died during the delivery of her child etc.

Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, a well-known scholar of Islamic disciplines, has collected all the Hadiths relating to this kind of Shaheed and has come to the conclusion that there are thirty categories mentioned by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam who can deserve to be called Shaheed in this sense. But in the normal course, the word "Shaheed" is applied only for the first kind. However, it is not prohibited to use the word for a person who falls in any of the categories mentioned in the second kind.

It is evident from the above discussion that the word "Shaheed" can only be used for a Muslim and cannot be applied to a non-Muslim at all. Similarly, the term cannot be used for a person who has been rightly killed as a punishment of his own offence.

i guess my meager knowledge (as mentioned in my post # 12 still holds valid as compared to these wannabe Maulvis)
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Sir Leader (who cant confirm a fringing pay scale from his_____) is a better scholar as compared to this Mufti saab.

 

[desioptimist]

this is ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN and any one who died in struggle to protect ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN is SHAHEED

Well shaheed is a term you use when somebody you like dies whether fighting or not.
Taliban calls death of its people shaheed so does PA. It is just a nice word to show respect, thats all.

 

[Leader]

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Islam also says "the one who kills single innocent,has killed the whole humanity"
These terrorist had killed thousands of innocent people in 9/11 and US embassy attacks.This all war strated from there.
Osama assured and misguided the muslims that he will liberate Palestine from Israel and the stupid tried to do this by killing innocent people.He could not succeed in fullfilling his promises but gave another country in the hands of Us i-e Afghanistan.
He pledged the muslims that he will fight US and did not exit from Afghanistan in 2001.In all his vedio message he repeated his pledged and at the end died in a comfortable compound with three of his wives and took the arm at end to protect himself not to muslims.So these people have no moral values and ethics he betrayed the muslims.
Pak Army did not started offensive against them these were the terrorist who killed civilians and armymen first.They have killed 30000 pakistanis in suicide attacks and attacking more in pakistan than US controlled afghanistan.So their purpose is to destroy Pakistan not US so killing them is legal through Islam and Our ARMY MEN ARE TRUELY SHAHEEDS.

a quote from other thread by you

"Religion's importance may be for an individuals.Nations do not need religion for progress take the example of industrilized and powerful countries.
So keep religion at your personal and it should not effect the nation's life."

can you explain me how you are using Islamic terminology of Shaheed in state affair?

 

[Abu Basit]

Q & A: The Meaning of Shaheed

The Meaning of Shaheed

By Mufti Taqi Usmani
Q.) The word "Shaheed" has been frequently used in the books, newspapers, and magazines for different types of people. I am sure that this word should have a specific connotation in the Islamic Terminology. I will be grateful if you please explain the true meaning of this word and the categories of persons for whom this term may be applied in Shariah.

A.) In fact "Shaheed", is a specific term, used in the Holy Quran and Sunnah. It has certainly a specific meaning and one should be careful before applying this term to a person and you should ascertain whether he is really qualified to be called a "Shaheed."

According to Islamic Jurisprudence, "Shaheed" is of two kinds:

Shaheed in the real sense.
Shaheed in the constructive sense.

Shaheed in the real sense is a Muslim who has been killed during "Jihad" or has been killed by any person unjustly. Such a person has two characteristics different from common people who die on their bed. Firstly, he should be buried without giving him a ritual bath. However, the prayer of the Janazah shall be offered on him and he shall also be given a proper kafin (burial shroud). Secondly, he will deserve a great reward in the Hereafter and it is hoped that Allah Almighty shall forgive his sins and admit him to Jannah. It is also stated in some of the traditions that the body of such a person remains in the grave protected from contamination or dissolution.

As compared to this kind of "Shaheed" a Shaheed in a constructive sense is a person who has been promised by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam to get a reward of a Shaheed in the Hereafter but is not taken as Shaheed with regard to the rules of burial. It means that the dead body has to be bathed like a dead body of any other person. The Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam has included in this category of Shaheed a large number of persons such as a person who has died in a Plague or who has died in an unexpected accident, like a fire or a traffic accident or who has been drowned in the water or a woman who has died during the delivery of her child etc.

Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, a well-known scholar of Islamic disciplines, has collected all the Hadiths relating to this kind of Shaheed and has come to the conclusion that there are thirty categories mentioned by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam who can deserve to be called Shaheed in this sense. But in the normal course, the word "Shaheed" is applied only for the first kind. However, it is not prohibited to use the word for a person who falls in any of the categories mentioned in the second kind.

It is evident from the above discussion that the word "Shaheed" can only be used for a Muslim and cannot be applied to a non-Muslim at all. Similarly, the term cannot be used for a person who has been rightly killed as a punishment of his own offence.

i guess my meager knowledge (as mentioned in my post # 12 still holds valid as compared to these wannabe Maulvis)
----

Sir Leader (who cant confirm a fringing pay scale from his_____) is a better scholar as compared to this Mufti saab.

try contacting Mufti Taqi Usmani sahab and get his views on the subject- you will be disappointed!

 

[Xeric]

try contacting Mufti Taqi Usmani sahab and get his views on the subject- you will be disappointed!

Why dont you contact him and tell us what he has to say about this. Waiting.

 

[JonAsad]

Question-
who were the shaheeds in the fight between Hazrat Aminah supporters and Hazrat Ali supporters- in battle of Battle of Bassorah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Question-
If Shaheed is some one who is fighting for the cause of Allah- then was Imam Hussein a shaheed too- He fought for Power against Yazeed--

 

[Leader]

Question-
who were the shaheeds in the fight between Hazrat Aminah supporters and Hazrat Ali supporters- in battle of Battle of Bassorah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Question-
If Shaheed is some one who is fighting for the cause of Allah- then was Imam Hussein a shaheed too- He fought for Power against Yazeed--

unfortunately your post declared your level of knowledge in historic events...

 

[Abu Basit]

Why dont you contact him and tell us what he has to say about this. Waiting.

he will not declare pakistani soldiers dieing fighting America's wot as shaheeds.

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Question-
who were the shaheeds in the fight between Hazrat Aminah supporters and Hazrat Ali supporters- in battle of Battle of Bassorah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Question-
If Shaheed is some one who is fighting for the cause of Allah- then was Imam Hussein a shaheed too- He fought for Power against Yazeed--

totally irrelevant.