A mortar-for-bullet game

[jarves]

According to The Hindu article it seems that india is feeling the heat and crying for Ceasefire Agreement...

Thats why i quoted a neutral source which specifically states that who is appealling to U.N. and thus unable to take the heat,lol

 

[SrNair]

Don't shoot the messenger.

If you read the tweets of Malini Parthasarthy, The Hindu's chief editor, you'd wonder whether you're in India or Pakistan.

It is these liberal scumbags who make our soldiers psychologically weak and demoralized.

The only way to undo this psychological warfare against India is to shut down these self-promoted so-called 'liberal' intellectualism that has used the Democratic rights of India's constitution and threatened its integrity.

Rights are given to ONLY those who DO their duties and respect their responsibilities. Not third-rate yellow-journalists and narcissistic chest-thumping 'intellectuals' who eat the salt of India and yet worship and praise the enemies of India. Throw them out.

Dont need that Tshering bhai.Let them bark .Whatever they do for showing their libtardness will always increase our proud about our Armed Forces.
Look what happened to those moronic Arundhati Roy .Noone want her stupid comments now.

 

[Sunan]

Thats why i quoted a neutral source which specifically states that who is appealling to U.N. and thus unable to take the heat,lol

i quoted indian source.Mortar for bullet is a good reply.Dont cry for ceasefire agreement now..

 

[Ind4Ever]

The Hindu
IN THE FIRING LINE: “The India-Pakistan ceasefire agreement is dead, after having survived hundreds of violations year after year since its inception.” Picture shows a villager in his shop which was damaged in shelling allegedly from the Pakistan side, in Bainglar village, about 60 km from Jammu. Photo: Nissar Ahmad
New Delhi and Islamabad should now begin negotiations to conclude a new ceasefire agreement instead of engaging in military one-upmanship
The conclusion of a number of significant agreements by India and the United States during President Barack Obama’s recent visit to New Delhi has attracted a great deal of adverse commentary from Islamabad. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Foreign Affairs pointsman Sartaj Aziz has voiced serious concerns about the regional “strategic imbalance” arising out of the Indo-U.S. deals at a time when Indo-Pak relations have reached a new low due to ceasefire violations along the LoC (Line of Control) and the International Border (IB). Pakistan, according to him, “is examining the imbalance and the possible ways and means for redressing it.” Strategic assessments such as these, made in the wake of the recent spate of violence along the border, could potentially lead to a renewed standoff between the South Asian adversaries. There is therefore an urgent need to put in place mechanisms to get the relationship back on track.

The India-Pakistan ceasefire agreement is dead, after having survived hundreds of ceasefire violations since its inception in 2003. It is no less than a miracle that this agreement actually lasted over 11 years despite there being absolutely no document guiding it. New Delhi and Islamabad should now begin negotiations to conclude a new ceasefire agreement instead of engaging in a “mortar-for-bullet” game of military one-upmanship and killing each other’s soldiers and hapless villagers residing astride the contested lines in Jammu and Kashmir.

The LoC was put in place by the Simla Agreement of July 1972 replacing the ceasefire line created by the Karachi Agreement of 1948. The current ceasefire agreement governs the cessation of hostilities along the India-Pakistan border created by the Simla Agreement. The agreement does not define the modalities, rules or Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) to manage the ceasefire on the LoC and the IB. Indeed, the absence of a structured ceasefire agreement is one of the major reasons behind the incidents that take place along the LoC and the IB.

Causes of violations
To understand what can be done to contain the hostilities along the LoC and IB, we need to appreciate why they break out in the first place. To explain these incidents using just one such cause — a cover for infiltration of militants into Kashmir from the Pakistani side — is misleading.

One of the major causes of ceasefire violations is indeed the deliberate firing by Pakistani troops in order to provide cover for the infiltrators trying to enter Jammu and Kashmir. Clearly, this is intentional and part of Pakistan’s traditional policy towards India. That said, given the progressive reduction in the infiltration attempts on the LoC and IB witnessed over the past decade or so, one must concede that ‘providing covering fire’ is not the most significant cause for ceasefire violations.

Secondly, firing also takes place in response to various political developments in India or Pakistan, or is generally reflective of the state of affairs between the two states. The ceasefire agreement tends to hold during peace processes and fruitful dialogues as was witnessed during the period from 2004 to 2007. The recent spate of ceasefire violations, then, was also a result of the complete absence of any bilateral engagement between the two sides.

The third major cause is the construction, repair or enhancement of defence works on either side. This happens because there is a lack of clarity regarding whether or not new constructions are allowed along the LoC. The 1949 Karachi Agreement does not allow construction within 500 meters on either side of the LoC but the Simla agreement is silent on the issue. Even though the August 2005 Indo-Pak joint statement agreed “not to develop any new posts and defence works along the LoC,” both sides seem to be violating this.

“Islamabad and New Delhi should ensure that there is more regularity to the meetings of Directors-General of Military Operations”

When civilians, livestock and Kashmiri returnees (from Azad Kashmir) cross the LoC, the two sides tend to engage in firing. Such incidents happen because there are no agreed-upon SOPs to govern such movements on the India-Pakistan border.

Hostilities also break out due to confusions over the LoC itself: lack of clarity about who controls what and which piece of land falls on whose side. Such confusions exist because of the absence of a proper demarcation of the LoC as well as the fact that over the decades, the demarcating line itself has become less clear due to natural causes such as soil erosion, rains, snowfall, landslides, etc. Such territorial confusions in an unfriendly atmosphere lead to hostilities.

Finally, there are also deliberate provocations in order to test the resolve of the forces on the other side. Military commanders on either side often narrate stories of how the personal traits and inclinations of local commanders often lead to major military standoffs. Egos of individual commanders can and do impact the balance of nerves when detailed SOPs about the implementation of the ceasefire agreement are absent.

Defence construction

First of all, there is an urgent need for a clearly written down ceasefire agreement. A new agreement, after appropriate negotiations, should be signed by the two Premiers, and not communicated by the Director-General of Military Operations (DGMO) over phone as was the case in 2003.

Second, joint SOPs should be developed to govern issues relating to crossings, returnees etc. Indian and Pakistani forces manning the border have their own respective SOPs catering to various situations and eventualities, but that’s not enough. It is also important for both sides to draft joint SOPs to ensure that inadvertent crossings, returnees and movement of livestock do not provoke firing by either side.

Third, there should be more clarity on the issue of defence construction along the LoC. The two sides could specify the distance to keep while making new constructions, besides specifying the kind of constructions to be allowed. Likewise, there is also an urgent need to jointly demarcate the LoC in order to avoid territorial misunderstandings.

Once these major steps are taken, Islamabad and New Delhi should ensure that there is more regularity to the meetings of DGMOs. Direct and frequent engagement at the level of DGMOs has its own importance from a conflict de-escalation point of view.

Sensitive sectors on the LoC and IB should be identified and joint measures should be undertaken to avoid incidents and repel infiltration attempts, even though the latter is possible only if Islamabad is serious about preventing infiltration. The two sides should also consider joint investigations of ceasefire violations and joint patrolling of sensitive areas.

None of the above steps can be translated into policy if there is no bilateral dialogue between India and Pakistan. Not only that structured bilateral dialogue process is absent, there is hardly any engagement between the two sides other than the grossly inadequate High Commission-level contacts. The back channel diplomacy which had ‘famously’ brought the two sides very close to a Kashmir deal in 2007 has also been non-existent since the formation of the new government in New Delhi. The responsibility of initiating a dialogue with Islamabad undeniably lay with New Delhi, which unilaterally cancelled the dialogue process in August this year.

New Delhi should, therefore, get off the diplomatic high horse it is now riding in its own strategic interest, and negotiate a new ceasefire agreement with Islamabad.

(Happymon Jacob teaches at the School of International Studies, JNU, New Delhi. E-mail: happymon@gmail.com)

A mortar-for-bullet game - The Hindu

This govt is clear. 1 bullet is been dealt with 7-9 bullets by Indian Army. Same goes with Mortar shells. We are ready to escalate to any level. As we have seen I the last 8 months Firing starts from Pakistan and ends with India . No use of new ceasefire agreements . Infact scarp it or align by it ... This is the answer we are giving to intrusion and injection of proxies. It won't change

As far as China is concerned no one will fire a single bullets . Hence 1 Chinese is been answered with 1 Jawan. Last time Chinese tried to send more troops. Which was equally answered with equal number of forces from IA. Message is clear to see.

 

[jarves]

i quoted indian source.Mortar for bullet is a good reply.Dont cry for ceasefire agreement now..

We can clearly who is running to U.N. ,lol

 

[Echo_419]

This govt is clear. 1 bullet is been dealt with 7-9 bullets by Indian Army. Same goes with Mortar shells. We are ready to escalate to any level. As we have seen I the last 8 months Firing starts from Pakistan and ends with India . No use of new ceasefire agreements . Infact scarp it or align by it ... This is the answer we are giving to intrusion and injection of proxies. It won't change

As far as China is concerned no one will fire a single bullets . Hence 1 Chinese is been answered with 1 Jawan. Last time Chinese tried to send more troops. Which was equally answered with equal number of forces from IA. Message is clear to see.

Agreed,Lato ke booth Batoo se nahi mante

 

[Imran Khan]

too many kids on keyboards today we will do this we will do that saaly bethy apny gher main computer per hain .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Every ceasefire violation should be countered with double force so that Pakistan should feel the heat like this,lol

Pakistan says 12 dead in border clashes with India, appeals to UN| Reuters

So do you feel the "heat" when your people are killed in return? i bet you "lol"..


You remind me of another poster.. who was boasting about civilian deaths in Pak..and Pak warning india... and right than news about 2 BSF gettin killed in firing came.. n he had to shut up and make excuses...

You are so full of shit.

too many kids on keyboards today we will do this we will do that saaly bethy apny gher main computer per hain .

Key board warrior... fire cracker ki awaz sun kar .... jati hai.. and here they talk tough..

They should ask those (on both sides) who have to face it... or those who lose their loved ones.

 

[jarves]

So do you feel the "heat" when your people are killed in return? i bet you "lol"..
You remind me of another poster.. who was boasting about civilian deaths in Pak..and Pak warning india... and right than news about 2 BSF gettin killed in firing came.. n he had to shut up and make excuses...

You are so full of shit.

This is not boasting but just putting things in perspective,just saying our hands are not tied either just like yours.About that BSF soldiers getting killed,some rangers also died in retaliation of BSF.Again not boasting but just putting things in perspective.

 

[Ind4Ever]

So do you feel the "heat" when your people are killed in return? i bet you "lol"..


You remind me of another poster.. who was boasting about civilian deaths in Pak..and Pak warning india... and right than news about 2 BSF gettin killed in firing came.. n he had to shut up and make excuses...

You are so full of shit..

Do u have any explanation why there was black out in ur side Let's not kid ourself . You will be happy to show that Hindu army killing innocent people to the world .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Do u have any explanation why there was black out in ur side Let's not kid ourself . You will be happy to show that Hindu army killing innocent people to the world .

black out? how old are you? our media even pics out the dumbest thing and plays that a billion times... for days.. with funny background music..

 

[Ind4Ever]

black out? how old are you? our media even pics out the dumbest thing and plays that a billion times... for days.. with funny background music..

Come man . Don't get fizzy with my age. It just happened in front our eyes . Even UK media knows about it . wonder how u missed the plot
Islamabad shocked as Indian Army launches 'massive' retaliation to border firing... and confident PM Modi promises 'everything will be all right soon'   | Daily Mail Online

But end of the day ... PA was involved we both decided to cool down ... Because next extreme escalation could be involving IA . Which could had led to war .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Come man . Don't get fizzy with my age. It just happened in front our eyes . Even UK media knows about it . wonder how u missed the plot
Islamabad shocked as Indian Army launches 'massive' retaliation to border firing... and confident PM Modi promises 'everything will be all right soon' | Daily Mail Online

But end of the day ... PA was involved we both decided to cool down ... Because next extreme escalation could be involving IA . Which could had led to war .

Thats not "UK" media.. but indian media..

India Home | Daily Mail Online
By ABHISHEK BHALLA and GAUTAM DATT


And by the way... you lost more "Soldiers" .. in return we faced many civilian casualities.. (we dont target civilians ... its not our "policy" .. unlike india.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Thats not "UK" media.. but indian media..

India Home | Daily Mail Online
By ABHISHEK BHALLA and GAUTAM DATT


And by the way... you lost more "Soldiers" .. in return we faced many civilian casualities.. (we dont target civilians ... its not our "policy" .. unlike india.

Yes u dint loss many soldiers Say thanks to Media Black out Botched up information by PA . Don't you think when 3 -4 post bunkers are completely destroyed there should be more than 20 casualties ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes u dint loss many soldiers Say thanks to Media Black out Botched up information by PA . Don't you think when 3 -4 post bunkers are completely destroyed there should be more than 20 casualties ?

whatever you say.