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A LESSON FOR THE US IN AFGHANISTAN

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This article says it all!! If Pakistan Army wraps up SWA operation successfully in coming weeks, the US Army with all its power, money, sophistication, intel toys etc would be rubbing its nose on the ground. Historically its pretty simple, no conflict in Afghanistan can even begin to conclude unless Pakistan wants it to! Seems like David's preparing a lesson or two for the might Goliath! :pakistan:

washingtonpost.com

A lesson for Afghanistan?

By WALTER PINCUS
Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Pakistan's military offensive in Waziristan, and the negotiations that preceded it, may be a paradigm for the U.S.-led coalition forces in Afghanistan as well as for the fight against al-Qaeda and other extreme Islamist groups in the Afghan-Pakistani border area.

That view emerged from a presentation on the fighting in Waziristan last Tuesday by Frederick Kagan and colleagues Reza Jan and Charlie Szrom at the American Enterprise Institute. Kagan was among those who promoted the idea of "surging" troops into Iraq, and in July he was one of the civilian experts who put together recommendations for Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan.

The 37-page analysis of the Waziristan operation provides important background for those following Pakistan's long-awaited move against the Taliban, also known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

The TTP is a collection of more than a dozen Pakistani factions, organized by Beitullah Mehsud in 2006. A member of the Pashtun Mehsud tribe whose branches populate much of South Waziristan, Mehsud sought to destabilize the Pakistani government of Gen. Pervez Musharraf, which Mehsud said was under U.S. control. According to Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, Pakistan's army chief of staff, Mehsud was responsible for 1,200 civilian deaths, including the December 2007 assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

After the Pakistani army's 2008 military offensive against Taliban elements in Bajaur, and its April 2009 move into Swat, Pakistan President Ali Asif Zardari announced in May that there would be an operation in Waziristan.

Some preparatory activities were already underway, according to the analysis by Kagan and his associates. With the paramilitary Frontier Corps in support, the Pakistani military gained control of some major road segments in the area, setting up blockades intended to separate Mehsud's Taliban in South Waziristan from its allies in North Waziristan and to block transfer of arms into the south. Aided by U.S. intelligence and Predator drones, air and ground artillery attacks also began on Taliban targets.

On Aug. 5, Mehsud was killed by a missile from a Predator while he and his wife were at the home of his father-in-law. That operation was attributed to intelligence arising from the blockaded road checkpoints and the increasingly close cooperation between U.S. and Pakistan intelligence and security forces. It resulted in tracking Mehsud's father-in-law to the house in the Zangar area of South Waziristan where the Taliban leader was found.

Negotiations with surrounding tribal groups went on for months. Efforts were aimed at either getting support for the move against the traditional Mehsud area, where the TTP was strongest, or having groups agree to refrain from joining the fight on the Taliban side. The military plan was to approach the targeted Mehsud area from three sides. In the southeast, the Pakistanis worked with Turkistan Bhittani, a pro-government leader whose tribal fighters at least a year before had driven Mehsud Taliban elements from their territory.

Maulvi Nazir Ahmad, once considered the second-most popular militant leader in South Waziristan to Mehsud, was concerned in the past about U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Early last year, he had formed an alliance with Mehsud, according to the Kagan analysis. Since then, U.S. drones had attacked his area at least nine times this year, according to the analysis.

However, over the summer, Pakistani officers, who had years earlier formed an alliance with Nazir Ahmad, bought off his support by guaranteeing that the U.S. drone attacks on his territory would halt, the analysis said. The result: Pakistani army forces gained use of the town of Wana in Nazir Ahmad's territory for their forces moving up from the southwest.

In the north, the deal was struck with Hafiz Gul Bahadur, considered the supreme commander of the North Waziristan Taliban, who has had an on-again, off-again peace deal with the Pakistani government. He agreed to remain neutral, allowing Razmak to be the supply point for troops coming down from the north. The agreement with him was that Pakistani army units could "transit his territory in exchange for fewer bombings and patrols" in his area, according to the analysis.

The Pakistani military's invasion of the Mehsud tribal heartland -- about 40,000 soldiers supported by helicopters and fighter bombers coming from three areas -- has progressed deliberately. Kotkai, the home town of Beitullah Mehsud's successor, Hakimullah Mehsud, and his top lieutenant, Qari Hussain, has been taken and their respective homes destroyed.

Kagan said he thinks the Pakistani military has learned lessons from its earlier efforts to defeat Afghan Taliban groups and is applying them to the current effort. If the Waziristan military campaign is successful, it must be followed by some troops remaining to hold the territory with Islamabad to support economic rebuilding. The positive effect of that could go beyond that immediate territory, he said, perhaps even to Afghanistan.
 
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US will never be able to take such offensive in Afghanistan because of lack of local support for the US. Secondly at teh home front, US politicians are too scared to increase the number of body bags as well.
 
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Actually the clear lesson for the US and ISAF Forces is that you cannot achieve results in Afghanistan without seriously involving Pakistan as the lead. Best case scenario would have been that the NATO and US should have trusted Pakistan after 9-11 and should have made Pakistan a NATO member country (and no a non-NATO ally). Upgrading our forces to NATO standards accordingly to deal with positive results and peace in Afghanistan. However since that would have been a no-no since Pakistan is a Muslim country and making us a NATO country would mean one up on India, hence we are where we are today.

But after the success in SWA, Pakistan should really shun the so called US media and intelligentsia on its active role to portray our country as the hot-bed of terror. It seems that the likes of the US are desperate for it sometimes!! Ah! the greater plan and its workings will never cease!
 
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What do they care about afghanistan or WOT? The only thing they care about right now is how to get away with trillions robbed and slip away like a lizard.
 
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I agree with SSGPA1's analysis. The reason that the NATO/ISAF are not successful in Afghanistan is primarily because of their too much and sometimes unrealistic dependence on the technology and fear of loosing soldiers in the combat. Additionally, Pakistan Army is not on an occupation mission or crusade, but trying to uproot the criminal anarchist elements within the geographical boundaries of Pakistan. The NATO/ISAF on the other hand has no such moral advantage in Afghanistan. Other things such as indiscriminate killing of the innocents, branding each insurgent fraction as Taliban, supporting the corrupt Karzai & Co and maligning Pakistan are only adding to the pre-existing problem.

At any rate, NATO/ISAF will never be successful in Afghanistan no matter what. They have already spent eight or so years, let them spend many more, finally they will leave in disgrace as they left from Vietnam and elsewhere. Afghans have once more proven as the Vietnamese did before them that it is the man behind the machine. If one is ready to sacrifice his life and belongings for a just and noble cause (and what would be a more just and noble cause than protect your homeland from the oppressors and invaders) he will always rise as a victor no matter how long it takes.
 
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