A huge military buildup is underway in Qatar.. But who will man the systems?

[Saif al-Arab]

To return to the topic at hand.

Imagine for a second if all the money spent on Qatar's recent buying spree was instead spent on desertification so small Qatar (a country slightly smaller than Montenegro) with a native population of just 330.000 (one of the lowest in the Arab world if not the lowest if I recall) and the only Arab country with virtually no forest cover and little agriculture as well, could become a pioneer and ideal testing ground due to the harsh conditions in the country and virtually no or very little farmland. It could serve as the perfect guinea pig and money would not be an issue either.

Taking research like this to a completely different level and thus in turn help other Arab and non-Arab countries facing desertification (a growing problem in the region and world by large - one just need to look towards the US itself - California comes to mind).

This in turn could give Qatar more prestige and influence than 10 times the weapon purchases could ever do.

I repeat, tiny Qatar is never going to launch a war against KSA, UAE, Bahrain or Iran (immediate neighborhood) nor is any sane party going to attack them either as long as they host the biggest and most important US military base (and one of the largest US overseas bases in the world) in the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base

Obviously the Al-Thani's agreeing to this (the current Emir's father - the same guy that founded Al-Jazeera) knew what they were doing and now they have a leverage that is 100 times more important than all the weapons that they can buy which is US protection against for instance KSA.

One of the grievances that I have with monarchies in GCC (people can't really complain too much about their governments compared to other governments in the region and the Muslim world by large) is a too big focus on weapon purchases aside from too few political reforms (young leaders in power such as MBS and Tameem will help change that and the future Omani Sultan I believe personally). KSA being one of the few regional powers and one of the most influential countries in the world and a top 20 economy in the world, can somewhat justify such spending (although it is too much - thankfully Saudi Arabia Vision 2030 and the upcoming and promising indigenous military industry will help reduce this spending by a huge lot) but Qatar can certainly not.

Therefore it would be more wisely for the smaller GCC states (which are already de facto under the US and Saudi Arabian "umbrella") to spend money on other areas such as science, infrastructure etc. This is of course done but we want to see more of this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thats all u are now Top of the food chain.
A an oppurtunistic predator is that what u think u are???

Many muslims around the world are dying and suffering. And u are busy building huge building(just like hadith).
So many muslim people are prosecuted and you are busy in your arab nationalism?


In the process I could also give a ring to those Britain first anti muslim ultra nationalist extremists too. And pick u up on the connecting flight from Heathrow?
(Guantlet has been drawn)

To hell with the Muslim world. The Ummah does not exist and apart from airhead Pakistanis, Muslims don't give a damn about one another. Try telling an Arab from the GCC that a Pakistani is his brother and can they marry one of their female relatives. See what the response would be . Even Britain 1st would probably treat you better and allow you to marry one of their women than your fellow Arab "Muslim brothers" would

 

[Valar.]

To hell with the Muslim world. The Ummah does not exist and apart from airhead Pakistanis, Muslims don't give a damn about one another. Try telling an Arab from the GCC that a Pakistani is his brother and can they marry one of their female relatives. See what the response would be . Even Britain 1st would probably treat you better and allow you to marry one of their women than your fellow Arab "Muslim brothers" would

I heard Saudi Arabia has a law which says Saudi men are not allowed to marry Pakistanis, Bengalis etc though they can take Moroccan women as 2nd wives only after medical chastity test and character certificate. lol
As far Saudi women, well, they were probably never allowed to maary anyone else.

Edit: here man, tell me this news is fake.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-28674836
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/20...ying-bengali-pakistani-chadian-burmese-women/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/aug/29/saudi-arabia-ban-moroccan-women-stereotype

 

[Saif al-Arab]

To hell with the Muslim world. The Ummah does not exist and apart from airhead Pakistanis, Muslims don't give a damn about one another. Try telling an Arab from the GCC that a Pakistani is his brother and can they marry one of their female relatives. See what the reaponse would be . Even Britain 1st would probably treat you better and allow you to marry one of their women than your fellow Arab "Muslim brother" would

@Kaptaan I have gained respect for you as an individual and our views are more similar than I ever thought so hopefully I am not going to insult you here when I state that Pakistani PDF users based in the UK, are a mixed bag to put it mildly.

Here we have another example. Some person in his 30's or 40's (I suspect) who is incapable to do his own research which would take him no more than a few minutes. Instead he is gullibly (probably also due to bias and some grievances whose nature I can only suspect is better not to be mentioned here) swallowing the first propaganda that he sees in some Pakistani (Dawn) tabloid or UK equivalent (The Independent for instance).

While in the real world, 1000's upon 1000's of Pakistani men have married Saudi Arabian women and vice versa throughout the ages.

When this rumor first gained foothold on PDF I was one of the few Saudi Arabian and Arab users (back when there were more of us) to prove this nonsense wrong however it was like talking to a bird and expecting a reply.

The propaganda news originates from an article posted in August 2014.

Statistic from September 2014.

http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/656266

The study also showed that 118 Saudi women married Pakistanis despite the social taboos over marrying non-Arabs.

So 1 month after this nonexistent law we have this statistic.

Here is news from July 2016. Meaning just 17 months ago.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/958316/saudi-arabia

Here is another article from 2017.

http://lifeinsaudiarabia.net/blog/2017/02/04/saudi-men-prefer-yemeni-and-syrian/

Sure, most Saudi Arabians prefer to marry within their own or other Arabs but that is the same case with all nationalities, including Pakistanis. We tend to marry our own or those very similar to us by large.

Here is another recent article (13 months old);

Pakistani in Saudi asks for ‘rightful inheritance’ from millionaire wife

A Pakistani driver in Saudi Arabia has demanded his rightful share of the inheritance of his millionaire sponsor after proving he is indeed married to her. (Illustrative photo/Reuters)

Staff writer, AlArabiya.net
Tuesday, 1 November 2016

A Pakistani driver in Saudi Arabia has demanded his rightful share of the inheritance of his millionaire sponsor after proving he is indeed married to her.

In details published on Saudi newspaper Okaz, the Pakistani driver filed a lawsuit to the family court contesting the inheritance, after he submitted documents to the court testifying to their marriage.

According to the driver’s claim, he requested a percentage of his wife’s fortune worth millions of riyals through the sale of her properties and granting him his legitimate right of heritage. The man said that he had worked for her for years. The two then got married and lived in her private property. Problems started to surface after he married a Pakistani woman while still being married to the Saudi wife.

The relatives of the woman claim that the Pakistani man is behind the illness and death of their wealthy daughter. They said they are plan on suing the alleged husband and present further evidence to the court which proves that he was responsible for her death.

*This article also appears on AlArabiya.net.

Last Update: Tuesday, 1 November 2016 KSA 21:45 - GMT 18:45

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/var...ghtful-inheritance-from-millionaire-wife.html

I think it is high time to put this unfounded rumor to bed. The amount of bullshit that is spread about KSA on PDF is astounding. I really have to say that.

BTW I am no blind follower of the non-existing "Ummah" (politically) nonsense nowadays but don't act like it is a one-way street. As far as I am aware, Pakistan is the biggest beneficiary of this relationship, not the other way around. Those are cold facts.

I heard Saudi Arabia has a law which says Saudi men are not allowed to marry Pakistanis, Bengalis etc though they can take Moroccan women as 2nd wives only after medical chastity test and character certificate. lol
As far Saudi women, well, they were probably never allowed to maary anyone else.

When speaking about the dead. Here is another uniformed drone. PDF is really a goldmine. Pakistanis are probably more emotional than even the most emotional Arabs. Never would have expected this.

 

[ARMalik]

In all honesty, since very early the Saudis have played the Haramain card very effectively. The problem with Pakistan military in specific, with all due respects, is that it keep falling in this Saudi trap again and again and again. The Pak military makes an *** of themselves every time these Saudis use their blackmail card.

These Saudis are not worth it. I say let them fight their own wars. That is why, let them loose; and lets see if these loud mouths for once can actually have the balls to fight a real war; the balls which have been missing in action for the past few centuries. Let them go to their REAL friends in Israel/US/UK/Europe; let them go their Indian pals. Let them go everywhere they like.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@Kaptaan I have gained respect for you as an individual and our views are more similar than I ever thought so hopefully I am not going to insult you here when I state that Pakistani PDF users based in the UK, are a mixed bag to put it mildly.

Here we have another example. Some person in his 30's or 40's (I suspect) who is incapable to do his own research which would take him no more than a few minutes. Instead he is gullibly (probably also due to bias and some grievances whose nature I can only suspect is better not to be mentioned here) swallowing the first propaganda that he sees in some Pakistani (Dawn) tabloid or UK equivalent (The Independent for instance).

While in the real world, 1000's upon 1000's of Pakistani men have married Saudi Arabian women and vice versa throughout the ages.

When this rumor first gained foothold on PDF I was one of the few Saudi Arabian and Arab users (back when there were more of us) to prove this nonsense wrong however it was like talking to a bird and expecting a reply.

The propaganda news originates from an article posted in August 2014.

Statistic from September 2014.

http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/656266

The study also showed that 118 Saudi women married Pakistanis despite the social taboos over marrying non-Arabs.

So 1 month after this nonexistent law we have this statistic.

Here is news from July 2016. Meaning just 17 months ago.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/958316/saudi-arabia

Here is another article from 2017.

http://lifeinsaudiarabia.net/blog/2017/02/04/saudi-men-prefer-yemeni-and-syrian/

Sure, most Saudi Arabians prefer to marry within their own or other Arabs but that is the same case with all nationalities, including Pakistanis. We tend to marry our own or those very similar to us by large.

Here is another recent article (13 months old);

Pakistani in Saudi asks for ‘rightful inheritance’ from millionaire wife

A Pakistani driver in Saudi Arabia has demanded his rightful share of the inheritance of his millionaire sponsor after proving he is indeed married to her. (Illustrative photo/Reuters)

Staff writer, AlArabiya.net
Tuesday, 1 November 2016

A Pakistani driver in Saudi Arabia has demanded his rightful share of the inheritance of his millionaire sponsor after proving he is indeed married to her.

In details published on Saudi newspaper Okaz, the Pakistani driver filed a lawsuit to the family court contesting the inheritance, after he submitted documents to the court testifying to their marriage.

According to the driver’s claim, he requested a percentage of his wife’s fortune worth millions of riyals through the sale of her properties and granting him his legitimate right of heritage. The man said that he had worked for her for years. The two then got married and lived in her private property. Problems started to surface after he married a Pakistani woman while still being married to the Saudi wife.

The relatives of the woman claim that the Pakistani man is behind the illness and death of their wealthy daughter. They said they are plan on suing the alleged husband and present further evidence to the court which proves that he was responsible for her death.

*This article also appears on AlArabiya.net.

Last Update: Tuesday, 1 November 2016 KSA 21:45 - GMT 18:45

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/var...ghtful-inheritance-from-millionaire-wife.html

I think it is high time to put this unfounded rumor to bed. The amount of bullshit that is spread about KSA on PDF is astounding. I really have to say that.

BTW I am no blind follower of the non-existing "Ummah" (politically) nonsense nowadays but don't act like it is a one-way street. As far as I am aware, Pakistan is the biggest beneficiary of this relationship, not the other way around. Those are cold facts.



When speaking about the dead. Here is another uniformed drone. PDF is really a goldmine. Pakistanis are probably more emotional than even the most emotional Arabs. Never would have expected this.

Sorry if I've been spreading misinformation. Didn't realise the above news. Perhaps I am a victim of propaganda myself. Was more in frustration at the lack of Muslim unity than anything else. By the way, I like MOST Arabs anyway

 

[Azadkashmir]

Some things are not for arabs to understand they are stiff neck people. Arabs like to think they are prophets not realizing their humiliation is around the corner. But for non Arab Muslims ummah is big thing because they are out siders. You see Arabs have privilege they live in the blessed regions, speak the arabic language first hand of holy book, can talk about their roots in Islam, Christianity, Judaism and so on. non Arab Muslim feel the need to show extreme loyalty which Arab have failed many times only to be humiliated left right center and still deny and say we are progressing he is blind. Arabs will jump up and down and say oh jews have the right when the whole world knows the jew today is something else a ashkenazi khazar European with no Semitic bloodline. reports coming from russia, britain, usa, germany, iraq, india about crypto jews in west and middle east playing haglien dialectics. petro dollar? Rothschild etc.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

In all honesty, since very early the Saudis have played the Haramain card very effectively. The problem with Pakistan military in specific, with all due respects, is that it keep falling in this Saudi trap again and again and again. The Pak military makes an *** of themselves every time these Saudis use their blackmail card.

These Saudis are not worth it. I say let them fight their own wars. That is why, let them loose; and lets see if these loud mouths for once can actually have the balls to fight a real war; the balls which have been missing in action for the past few centuries. Let them go to their REAL friends in Israel/US/UK/Europe; let them go their Indian pals. Let them go everywhere they like.

You need to take your medicine. Nobody has asked you for anything other than symbolic assistance (a few 100 soldiers experienced in mountain warfare - that was all). People have moved one (the decision was respected and we moved on - personally I wrote that no such help was needed years ago before the decision was taken) years ago while you are still crying. 90% of Yemen (a country the size of Iraq and Syria combined, mostly mountainous and historically one of the most difficult countries to control by natives and foreigners alike) has been liberated with minimal losses while gaining invaluable experience. You really need to accept the realities and not let your apparent ignorance take over. Other partners have taken part in this conflict and it is Pakistan's loss, not that of KSA. As I wrote just above, Pakistan is much more economically dependent on KSA/GCC than KSA/GCC will ever be when it comes to Pakistan. This is meant without any disrespect at all but those are the facts.

Yet it did not prevent KSA from appointing Raheel Sharif did it? So no grudges here but it seems that you have some soar grapes to swallow! KSA has also shown big interest in CPEC and will probably join very soon as spoken about publicly by officials.

KSA dealt with the Houthis back in 2009 already however I understand that you are ignorant. Not your fault.

Sorry if I've been spreading misinformation. Didn't realise the above news. Perhaps I am a victim of propaganda myself. Was more in frustration at the lack of Muslim unity than anything else. By the way, I like MOST Arabs anyway

No problem. I just hate when people spread nonsense and misinformation. I am sure that you do too when somebody is doing similarly with Pakistan and Pakistanis regardless of ethnicity. Some things are just too nidicolous to be taken seriously. People can like or dislike House of Saud or certain policies of KSA but KSA is not much different from other countries and the faults that KSA is blamed for, you can blame Pakistani and most other countries of as well. I am no fan of one-sided bashing less so when it is not based on facts.

 

[ARMalik]

I was wondering when the likes of you will show-up. Even for you that was quick.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I was wondering when the likes of you will show-up. Even for you that was quick. Now carry on and good luck.

Is that all what you have to offer after I used 2 minutes of my time to pick your unfunded nonsense apart? But keep parroting the nonsense rhetoric of KSA needing Pakistan and the 1000's of Saudi Arabian soldiers fighting in Yemen right now, needing Pakistani assistance. In fact you might as well claim that KSA will sink to the depths of the Red Sea, Gulf and Arabian Sea tomorrow morning without Pakistan.

No offense but if people have nothing to offer, it's better that they keep quite. It's a philosophy that I follow - hence my example of internal Pakistani politics in Sindh or Punjab province of Pakistan. I rather keep my mouth shut not to embarrass myself let alone try to lecture natives about internal affairs (in your case the Yemeni civil war and KSA's involvement in it).

As usual I mean no personal offense by any of my comments. Just stating my opinions.

Anyway we are way off-topic as usual. This is about Qatar.

Some things are not for arabs to understand they are stiff neck people. Arabs like to think they are prophets not realizing their humiliation is around the corner. But for non Arab Muslims ummah is big thing because they are out siders. You see Arabs have privilege they live in the blessed regions, speak the arabic language first hand of holy book, can talk about their roots in Islam, Christianity, Judaism and so on. non Arab Muslim feel the need to show extreme loyalty which Arab have failed many times only to be humiliated left right center and still deny and say we are progressing he is blind. Arabs will jump up and down and say oh jews have the right when the whole world knows the jew today is something else a ashkenazi khazar European with no Semitic bloodline. reports coming from russia, britain, usa, germany, iraq, india about crypto jews in west and middle east playing haglien dialectics. petro dollar? Rothschild etc.

You are once again imagining several things. It's all in your own head bro. No matter what I tell or what I do to prove you wrong, it will be of no use. Keep projecting your own personal views as a fact.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Is that all what you have to offer after I used 2 minutes of my time to pick your unfunded nonsense apart? But keep parroting the nonsense rhetoric of KSA needing Pakistan and the 1000's of Saudi Arabian soldiers fighting in Yemen right now, needing Pakistani assistance. In fact you might as well claim that KSA will sink to the depths of the Red Sea, Gulf and Arabian Sea tomorrow morning without Pakistan.

No offense but if people have nothing to offer, it's better that they keep quite. It's a philosophy that I follow - hence my example of internal Pakistani politics in Sindh or Punjab province of Pakistan. I rather keep my mouth shut not to embarrass myself let alone try to lecture natives about internal affairs (in your case the Yemeni civil war and KSA's involvement in it).

As usual I mean no personal offense by any of my comments. Just stating my opinions.

Anyway we are way off-topic as usual. This is about Qatar.



You are once again imagining several things. It's all in your own head bro. No matter what I tell or what I do to prove you wrong, it will be of no use. Keep projecting your own personal views as a fact.

i sometimes wonder if arab on here actually do understand their religion ? because they just deny. The prophet was right, Arab will become ignorant and humiliated.

i just give you list of countries that are exposing the jewish conspiracy yet you say i am imagining.

how bout this for imagining, read the name.

Didn't you recently read about trump moving capital to Jerusalem.

 

[Amun]

@Sharif al-Hijaz stop replying to people who make off topic posts.....
The topic is about Qatar and it’s billions dollars toys that will be put in museums ...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

i sometimes wonder if arab on here actually do understand their religion ? because they just deny. The prophet was right, Arab will become ignorant and humiliated.

i just give you list of countries that are exposing the jewish conspiracy yet you say i am imagining.

how bout this for imagining, read the name.

Didn't you recently read about trump moving capital to Jerusalem.

Here you are again. What have I to do with this once again and where do I support it? What do you want people here to do? We are not the rulers of Muslim countries. Even if we were would you expect us to go to war with nuclear-armed Israel that is an extension of the US. US officials are openly talking about Israel being their most important and "holy" ally. You want us to fight against the US in our current state? This is not the year 1240 any longer. Wake up.

No such ahadeeth exists. Some nonsense that a Mullah brewed at home. Quote it to me and I will translate it.

@Sharif al-Hijaz stop replying to people who make off topic posts.....
The topic is about Qatar and it’s billions dollars toys that will be put in museums ...

I need to learn to control myself on PDF and ignore trolling, brother.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Here you are again. What have I to do with this once again and where do I support it? What do you want people here to do? We are not the rulers of Muslim countries. Even if we were would you expect us to go to war with nuclear-armed Israel that is an extension of the US. US officials are openly talking about Israel being their most important and "holy" ally. You want us to fight against the US in our current state? This is not the year 1240 any longer. Wake up.

No such ahadeeth exists. Some nonsense that a Mullah brewed at home. Quote it to me and I will translate it.



I need to learn to control myself on PDF and ignore trolling, brother.

What does that tell you ? Saudis sold out long time ago and this is when they had a chance to do something about it. How is it, going to go nuclear, the radiation will spread in their borders too.
any mullah better than Saudi one eyed beast. Okay you can be forgiven for fearing israel.
But why Saudis act like mad dogs so desperate for sunni-shia war with iran?.
let say Saudis fear the enemy but they can do minimum resistance like try to buy weopens from others rather than USA. Invest in your own Muslim countries but no Saudis do exactly what benefits the enemy. now that is a tell tale sign that Saudis are more Jewish than Rothschild.

 

[The SC]

i sometimes wonder if arab on here actually do understand their religion ? because they just deny. The prophet was right, Arab will become ignorant and humiliated.

i just give you list of countries that are exposing the jewish conspiracy yet you say i am imagining.

how bout this for imagining, read the name.

Didn't you recently read about trump moving capital to Jerusalem.

Nothing in your post relates to Arabs.. so why this gratuitous talk about Arabs and Islam.. may I remind you that they have brought it to you.. so you can be sure that they understand it much better..

What does that tell you ? Saudis sold out long time ago and this is when they had a chance to do something about it. How is it, going to go nuclear, the radiation will spread in their borders too.
any mullah better than Saudi one eyed beast. Okay you can be forgiven for fearing israel.
But why Saudis act like mad dogs so desperate for sunni-shia war with iran?.
let say Saudis fear the enemy but they can do minimum resistance like try to buy weopens from others rather than USA. Invest in your own Muslim countries but no Saudis do exactly what benefits the enemy. now that is a tell tale sign that Saudis are more Jewish than Rothschild.

What chance? and when? can you expend on it please..
It seems that some people here on PDF are so jealous of Saudi Arabia that they want it to go to war against the US.. why their countries supposedly much more powerful than KSA are not going to war against the US? can these people explain it.. or are they just fooling around on PDF..