A Homeland for Indian Muslims

[Naofumi]

Why?

It feels nice to step on your toes. It's become a habit.

Do you know there was a case on Yogi for this?

 

[Andhadhun]

Do you know there was a case on Yogi for this?

Again Fake news

It was YOGI who served a Legal Notice against Junaid Azim Mattu of the National Conference for making this fake claim on TV. The same one you made.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...eading-hatred-against-bjp/article17834127.ece

Sadly Junaid Azim APOLOGIZED to escape going to Jail

 

[Naofumi]

Again Fake news

It was YOGI who served a Legal Notice against Junaid Azim Mattu of the National Conference for making this fake claim on TV. The same one you made.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...eading-hatred-against-bjp/article17834127.ece

Sadly Junaid Azim APOLOGIZED to escape going to Jail

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...hate-speech/story-llvj1ixPbtV0IZ5KjzbXgJ.html

 

[Andhadhun]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...hate-speech/story-llvj1ixPbtV0IZ5KjzbXgJ.html

Your own link says Yogi was not prosecuted for 12 years ? ? Why ?

Where they waiting for him to come to power ?

 

[Naofumi]

Your own link says Yogi was not prosecuted for 12 years ? ? Why ?

Where they waiting for him to come to power ?

Because India!

Plus, he was already a MP.

 

[Andhadhun]

Because India!

Plus, he was already a MP.

If he was already MP why did Samajwadi Party file a case against him and then refuse to prosecute him for 12 years ?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Naofumi]

If he was already MP why did Samajwadi Party file a case against him and then refuse to prosecute him for 12 years ?

You can't have it both ways.

Both ways? It's their fault. I am no Samajwadi fan.

Anyways, you're arguing for the sake it as in the other thread, I am out.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why?

It feels nice to step on your toes. It's become a habit.

Then don't complain when you are treated the same way.

Everyone is picking up on who you really are, I need not do anything more.

 

[Andhadhun]

Both ways? It's their fault. I am no Samajwadi fan.

Anyways, you're arguing for the sake it as in the other thread, I am out.

Yes, both ways.

Either make a case that he could have been prosecuted.

Or make a case that he could never be prosecuted.

He could not be prosecuted because he never said those things. Actually the first time I saw that voice over video was in pdf and that was before it was spread in India. So I am pretty sure this particular piece of propaganda came from the dirty tricks dept of pakistan.

 

[Naofumi]

Yes, both ways.

Either make a case that he could have been prosecuted.

Or make a case that he could never be prosecuted.

He could not be prosecuted because he never said those things. Actually the first time I saw that voice over video was in pdf and that was before it was spread in India. So I am pretty sure this particular piece of propaganda came from the dirty tricks dept of pakistan.

Not a voice over.
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/hate-speech-once-more/

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are alluding that both @AfrazulMandal and I are on this forum seeking support for Indian Muslims from Pakistanis. I don't think that is the case for either of us.

What is troubling is, if some Hindu is on the forum and criticizing India, you would never accuse him of "seeking support from Pakistan". I have noticed @Shantanu_Left, types a lot of critical messages against the Sanghis etc. But you wouldn't ever say that he is seeking "Pakistani support"

So at the end, an Indian Muslim, unless he is always loudly abusing Pakistan, is considered by even liberal and well-meaning Hindus like @Joe Shearer, to be engaged in some sort of subversion and reaching out to Pakistan for support.

You are seen as a pawn, without the need or ability to have a mind of your own.

This is how Indian Muslims have been treated since independence, it does not matter whether it were secular Hindus or Hindutva fascists.

@masterchief_mirza @N.Siddiqui @Ace of Spades @PakSword @StormBreaker @DESERT FIGHTER @SIPRA @Mentee


Numbers.

We need to breakdown the numbers to foster a better understanding ...otherwise, we shall remain locked in posts-n-counterposts....

With Rise of Indianness given catalyst by Hindutva and a new found selfassurance that such movements bring is now mainstream.

EconomicBycott of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan is now mainstream... SaffronFlags even on veg/fruit sellers using to distinguish between Muslims and the good Indians.

It is not new... certain BJP leaders have advocated it as a tool of GharWapsi as well.... lest we forget after the paper annexation of IoJK... the certain BJP leaders... I believe one CM as well...said that now the good Indians could/would marry Gorri Kashmiri girls @waz

All here on PDF... a keen student can search/research.

Golli maro salon ko ... and all other chants... and then viglanteez...

2002 Gujarat
2020 Delhi

Same people were in charge then...same people are in charge now... and this constant villification of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan is not only continuing but it is the primetime show of IndianMedia too....

The charge of being not loyal to India or Indianness.... the demand of putting India above Allah... the charges of having too many babies... or living off the Indian state's welfare system....

Furthermore, the disappointed ones call it Appeasement of Muslims ...first by CongRSS and now by BJP...

What is the classification and quantificaiton of this 'Appeasement' is difficult to rationalise...in absence of the accusers providing validated data @xeuss

We have seen how the IndianMonk CM crushed the protests against CAA.... police sodomising kids with iron batons and making the imam undress infront of his students...

Strong leader this IndianMonk!

If there are 220mln Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan .... then it is a sizable minority against the 1+Bln Indians.

We did calculate @Ace of Spades the share of NationalWealth by the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan ... which gives us solid understanding about the 'muscle' these bottom 50% have or could excercise.... @BHarwana

In IoJK it has taken the good Indians to deploy 900k+ troops..and still they have NO Control over the situation... just yesterday's 'encounter' is a glaring example of that FACT!

IoJK is essentially a Jail or a Shoebox with all the PakKashmiris contained within.... and then 900k+ IndianTroops trying to further Contian it!

1 Indian solidier to 9 Kashmiris i.e. old, young, man, woman or infants...

1% of 220mln is 2.2mln.

Although the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan are spread thin within India and are in Ghettos....with minimum share of National Wealth.. 1% is 2.2mln.

What the MaqboozaDelhi Pogrom taught us that despite the POTUS being in twon the good Indians felt confident enough to get on with... wetting their sowrds red.. as some valiant Indian claimed. Rapping a 13 girl/child by seven Indians was just.... what?

India and Indians have to decide once and for all what do they wish with Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan?

Are they equal citizens?

Are they aliens among them living in Ghettoz?

With lowest per capita income and spending by the Indian gov.... the future of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan is more Gehtoofication and further Apartheid. @AgNoStiC MuSliM

Apartheid in villages, towns and cities.....

Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan living a parallel life in a parallel universe...

The longer this state of affairs last the more difficult would be integeration of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan within the Indian society and politics....state appratus...

In otherwords, lessening and lessening stakeholderhsip of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan as the framing them the 'other' or alien...not Indian enough ...continues....

1% is 2.2 million.

10% is 22 million.

PakKashmiris could be Shoeboxed in the Valley of Sorrows .... 100.000 in 7000 massgrave. 10.000 GangRaped by the valiant IndianArmy ....

100s lost sight due to brave Indians firing shotguns on crowds....including very small childeren. 14.000 youngsters are taken by the brave IndianArmy....no one knows where they are.... And still NOTHING under control.

Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan are spread all over India ...hence, lynching or chopping them off or burning alive is rather an easy affair...

However, it is impossible to turn entire India into Shoebox for 220mln Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan. Impossible!

LoveJihad. LandJihad. XJihad. YJihad. CoronaJihad.... the good Indians have more types are Jihads whirled at Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan than the Two types of Jihad in Islam.... talk about relentless branding of the 'other', the 'alien'....

Buddhists could be cleansed from India in those olden days.... because it was a different Age.... Muslims cann't be cleansed from Indian because now it is different Age. Mobility.

Now the IndianState is building ConcentrationCamps for the 'illegal' muslims in India.... nice... though GenocideWatch has raised red flag about it... but ConcentrationCamps are being built.

Can these ConcentrationCamps hold 60mln muslims who are supposed be illegal in India?

And what next? If noboday wants/owns these 60mln..then what? Leave them there... with men and women separated?

The final verdict on BabriMasjid by the Indian SC is rather interesting... without any evidence of so-called ancient structure to be ever there... the SC awards the place for a temple to be built on that very site where according to itself it never existed.... OrangeState?

1% is 2.2mln

10% is 22mln

There is always a breaking point...though Poverty is the Greatest Dehumaniser.... but there is always a BreakingPoint!

Should the good Indians continue on this path of seeing/treating the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan as the 'other', the 'alien'... the 'secret Pakistanis' and keep economically bycotting them... for how long... will the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan keep finding ways to just survive?

The buzz word of Islamist to everything Muslim... is cool but only for so long...

Should 1% i.e. 2.2mln become truly disenchanted and without any hope... radicalisation/resistence becomes the only outlet.

10% i.e 22mln would be supportive of such Resistence... for their own survival... and then it could grow from there... resulting in unimaginable loss of Humanity!!!

It is all fine and dandy...for the good Indians to claim Ancient Glories and Past Injuries...but what they are doing today is, infact, already Creating their Future.

No amount of spinning, wordsmithing, word-plays or dennials can whitewash this emerging reality....

India has still a narrow time strip to course correct and integerate Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan as equal citizens with percental representation in all of the State's Apparatus...

Now they are not stakeholders...but residents...focused upon survival in increasing hostile society!

Sarkari Muslims or MullahMaffia on Indian payroll don't count.... doesn't matter how they burn PakFlag or say silly things... it is the 220mln Muslims fo MaqboozaHindustan that matter. 1%. 10%. 20%.

Hopefully, the good Indians also realise that the War on Terror is now wrapped up...and Islamist/IslamicTerror narrative is receding by the day... it is all now about China. China. China.

IndianState and politician did cash on the War on Terror and could do all they wanted in IoJK and kept on blaming Pakistan from Kabootar to Venus and everything in between.

1%. 10%. 20% ..... what happens to Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan and how they Resist it... is not going to stick to Islamist/IslmaicTerror ThemeSong or Blaming Pakistan....

But for now the good Indians seem to be prisoners of their own narrative... and ever Rising Indianness is now growing indpendent of Hindutva Catalyst as well.... leaving room only for more and more Hardliners....

India has an existential choice in front of it!

Mangus

Right on point.

No amount of mass-produced stainless steel swords and ladies' orange dupattas can change the demographic reality of Indian Muslims.

Well, Sir, I shook my head in disbelief when @PradoTLC burst out and told us what he really thought of Muslim Indians. If you read his answer, on this thread, it becomes very clear.

There are those who will stand and bear witness to the plight of the Muslim Indian as a duty to themselves in terms of their religion. There are those who support the Muslim Indian due to the rightness of their cause, due to humanitarian reasons, not as an act of charity, but a restoration of just rights, and of the dignity of an Indian citizen. Then there are those who see Muslim Indians as cannon fodder, to be used to push through a wholly Pakistan-centric agenda. Nothing wrong with that, so long as the Muslim Indian understands which is which, and what may be expected where. I pointed out to @AfrazulMandal and to @xeuss (the third eloquent member of that group has a name that I cannot remember for the life of me) that they need to be aware of these different objectives, but it was a rude shock when I had to point out in addition that they were free to enlist support wherever they wished to.

To answer your question, I made my assessment from the self-incriminating words of the member himself.

Who made you the spokesperson of Indian Muslims?

Must understand that fundamentally posts of @Mangus Ortus Novem are addressed to Pakistani audience, and sometimes, to Indian Muslims and Bangladeshi. Many of this audience, including myself, can deeply relate to these posts, particularly, in emotional and psychological terms. If you care to notice, he hardly ever enters into an argument with Indian posters, per se. He is our "man in Netherlands".

Indeed, May Allah swt preserve him. He is a great asset to us.

 

[xeuss]

You are seen as a pawn, without the need or ability to have a mind of your own.

This is how Indian Muslims have been treated since independence, it does not matter whether it were secular Hindus or Hindutva fascists.

We are free to protest. We just have to do it according to the guidelines laid out by our well wishers, after of course we change our clothes and dietary habits.

 

[Andhadhun]

Not a voice over.
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/hate-speech-once-more/

You just proved he never said those things. Someone else did.

 

[Naofumi]

You just proved he never said those things. Someone else did.

My original post said the same "In an rally organised by Yogi".

Look at the video again.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We are free to protest. We just have to do it according to the guidelines laid out by our well wishers, after of course we change our clothes and dietary habits.

Also stop having babies... Somehow Islamic fiqh cannot influence Indian Muslim lives, but Hindus have every right to do so.

And never EVER support Pakistan or Kashmir, nahi to dekhenge...