A guest from the future , a short flim on indebth SU 35 capablities

[batmannow]

Awww, too bad. Just when it was getting interesting.

Oh well, since I can't make 'personal attacks' - I might as well take it out on the Su-35.

As capable as it may be...advertised. The fact that only a handful of Countries are taking (any) interest in it.

Too bad it's predecessor didn't have much luck against a out of date F-16 last year.

So with your insane logic, if JF17s never adopted by China it's not a good fighter jet?
And there are number of American fighter jets not been adopted by many countries does that makes them, incapable?
Your logics are quite funny, cause mostly been based on ur personal bias!
No matter how capable a fighter jet maybe, but it's the pilot skills which brings out the real metal of the fighter jet?
Hope u hve seen sad F16 falling down Jst last year in islamabad, does that makes it a incapable fighter jet?
As i said, insane funny logics never belongs to reality
While pakistani F16s always been tracked by NASA where they been heading as they think it can be used for a nuclear strike, on the other hand Russia never puts any killer switches in thier jets, why any F16s never flyed in KARGILL is a differnt story altogether!

 

[batmannow]

Can you give a comparison of SU35 with SU30 MKi?

Yes open a new thread for it!

 

[batmannow]

Yes open a new thread for it!

While when it comes to su30mki which is a capable fighter, still Su35 is in differnt league all togather

 

[batmannow]

The problem is Russian avionics and missiles not the aircraft (which is a piece of art and engineering).

How many countries has the level of expertise like Russia?
And if thier avionics are so faulty then how come they are face to face with Americans all over the world?
Western media, has better marketing skills and thier products gets a lot of audiences and with our colonial past we bow down to them that's the only problem we hve which is slowly going out and Thts why we are using most of avionics and engines based in Russia in our JF17s?

 

[batmannow]

Indian mantra

Yea since thier racists govt took the power reality seems gone far far away from them anything which they have is the only best thing in the world in thier minds

 

[batmannow]

Awww, too bad. Just when it was getting interesting.

Oh well, since I can't make 'personal attacks' - I might as well take it out on the Su-35.

As capable as it may be...advertised. The fact that only a handful of Countries are taking (any) interest in it.

Too bad it's predecessor didn't have much luck against a out of date F-16 last year.

Well, I'm prapering another THREAD ON another Russian fighter jet! I'm sure you ill learn a lot from it, cause it seems your knowledge just ends at VIPER!

 

[Trailer23]

Hope u hve seen sad F16 falling down Jst last year in islamabad, does that makes it a incapable fighter jet?

why any F16s never flyed in KARGILL is a differnt story altogether!

I'm gonna refrain from personal attacks as asked by a Mod, otherwise I would've mopped the floor off of you.

F-16 Crash:
1. The F-16 Crash was not last year. It was earlier this year.
2. If you want to talk Crashes during displays, here is what your beloved Russian Jets have achieved over the course of time.

Public Displays don't count as mostly they are Pilot Error and not combat related.

Kargil:
How do you expect the F-16 to get any action in a War when the Air Force itself never participated in it?

Note: By the way, that was a Question. Notice the use of '?' at the end.
Man, atleast get some facts right. Sheesh.

Well, I'm prapering another THREAD ON another Russian fighter jet! I'm sure you ill learn a lot from it, cause it seems your knowledge just ends at VIPER!

Oh jee, as uninteresting as that may sound - I think i'll pass on the grammar mistakes and influx of emojis.

Wish you the best in pitching that portable Russian-made whore house to the PAF.

Here, enjoy a picture of an F-16 with the kill-markings of a Su-30MKi (the Raptor of the East).

@Irfan Baloch

 

[batmannow]

I'm gonna refrain from personal attacks as asked by a Mod, otherwise I would've mopped the floor off of you.

F-16 Crash:
1. The F-16 Crash was not last year. It was earlier this year.
2. If you want to talk Crashes during displays, here is what your beloved Russian Jets have achieved over the course of time.

Public Displays don't count as mostly they are Pilot Error and not combat related.

Kargil:
How do you expect the F-16 to get any action in a War when the Air Force itself never participated in it?

Note: By the way, that was a Question. Notice the use of '?' at the end.
Man, atleast get some facts right. Sheesh.

Oh jee, as uninteresting as that may sound - I think i'll pass on the grammar mistakes and influx of emojis.

Wish you the best in pitching that portable Russian-made whore house to the PAF.

Here, enjoy a picture of an F-16 with the kill-markings of a Su-30MKi (the Raptor of the East).
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@Irfan Baloch

So by your funny logic a F35 crashes its not good?

But wait a min Here we go again, you hve put a lot clips of MIG 29s, while we are talking about SU35s?
It seems, for you apple and oranges are same fruit so, you got to hve good check up of your mental state before comming to display your knowledge about SU35s?
Just ask the same mod my great recod here, how long I hve been moppin likes of you
While as I said earlier, fighter jets do fall and get hit by millions of causes and sometimes the skills of opponents but, give a russian pilot SU 35s and let your so called viipers most modern BLK attack it from any AOA, and see what happens to it?
F16s are no match of SU35s which are a totally differnt platform from its past SU series of all kinds, it's EWF, AOA, ROCs all are very different from all of its past gen, while it's range is another chapter all togather? Its CMSrs are very very modern which evn can't found in many top western jets?
Waiting for you reply, but come on the topic it's SU35s not any other mango, banana and onions you hve been trying to play with
As i can see your frustration is getting higher and higher but no words jiggling will save you F16S aren't the topic here as it as its no match of SU35s
While who told you Thts crap, PAF doesn't had the knowledge of karagill and thus they were sitting like ducks?
They had all the knowledge, but they been told to gurd inner circle of Pakistani aerospace specilly its nuclear sites

 

[batmannow]

@Trailer23 here is, get outa ma way moment from a russian ace to so called super F15e
I'll bring you more, to clear your mind

 

[Trailer23]

@batmannow
Stop messaging me twice for the same post. Do it again & i'll report you. You can Reply back in one post. I know you're trying really hard to bring the number of your posts up, but truly - that's sad.

Just ask the same mod my great recod here, how long I hve been moppin likes of you

Yes, if memory serves, you were Banned for quite a while. Tragic. But since you brought up your 'great record', I thought i'd take the liberty of comparing Mopping Records.

Now, would you like me to ask the same Mod 'bout your illustrious track record - with those 15 Negative Ratings?

But wait a min Here we go again, you hve put a lot clips of MIG 29s, while we are talking about SU35s?

The 1st video is of a Su-27 from a 2002 Crash in Ukraine (link below). I only thought its fair that if you're comparing this year's PAF Crash of a Block 15 - i'd return the favor with an earlier variant of the Su-35.
Sknyliv Air Show Disaster

And in your last post you just showed a Su-27 shoving a F-15 Eagle. Obviously its a Su-27 'cause the RT News Anchor clearly stated it was. But these pushing and shoving matches have been going on between the US, Russians & Chinese for quite a while.

As for your lovely Su-35...

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Seriously, since 2014 Russia has only been able to get 3 Customers to buy this flying trash can?

Jeez, you & I have been Members of PDF longer than that. One would have imagined you to have done a better job marketing for Sukhoi. But it be hard for you to sell something which really doesn't bring anything to the table. I've seen used-Volvo's with more value then your mighty Su-35. I don't see Nations lining up to buy any - anytime soon.

I would share the list of orders for the Block 70/72, but without even a single one ready on the tarmac - Lockheed Martin has already bagged orders from over 5-6 Nations. And more to come.

But that's okay, keep sharing your baseless documentaries. If anything PAF will go for more F-16's (new or used), and you can sit in corner wiping your tears and asking, "Why?!!"

"Just because you cut the ears off a Mule - don't make him a Horse"
-Ethan Hawke (The Magnificent Seven)​

P.S.: As I said earlier, if you want to say something - do so in ONE POST and not multiple ones. And please cut it out with the childish emojis (). If the excess usage wasn't sad - i'd be pathetic.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

sTrailer23 @batmannow
I fail to see if are we going to achieve anything meaningful through ridiculing Russian and Western aviation.

so let me engage you both because I want to see if I can channel your negative energies to something useful for this thread.

in my view the Western and Russian design philosophies are different. not one is superior to the other because in their own right they serve their stated purpose and goal.

Western design emphasizes at quality and sophistication with expensive long hour engines. Russian design is rugged and endurance for hard unpaved runways.
same philosophy exists in other hardware including firearms AK series and M4, 14, 16s etc
products from both have served their countries well and kept the opponent on the edge.

making a judgement call based on some crashes and media banter and boasting is unfair. Russians are not very open about their products like the west but they are in no way inferior they get the job done.
Hollywood and aggressive media marketing seems to suggest that Western technology is light years ahead of Russians it maybe true and in my view its due to financial issues Russian side encountered since the fall of USSR and failure of communism vs Capitalism.
sadly for Russians, their jets were always operated by ineffective and degraded air forces and they were up against NATO where there was just no match against the entire net centric satellite AWAC supported air force of USA and UK vs Saddam's airforce and degraded Qaddafi airforce. (ok lets count our 27 Feb 19 encounter but we just outflanked and outsmarted the IAF)

but it never meant that Russian technology was inferior, back in Bosnian warm Serbians used the Russian SAM system to down American stealth fighter and joked "sorry we didnt know it was stealth". Turkey has been kicked out of F-35 program purely because of fear of S400 system able to gather intelligence on its features.


coming back to SU35 jet and its family of derivatives. they are heavy weight twin engine fighters which doesnt fit in PAF strategy. it is a surprise for me that a twin engine is selected for the AZM fighter which might lead the PAF planners to rethink if the mission statement changes and PAF war strategy is reassessed.

 

[batmannow]

@batmannow
Stop messaging me twice for the same post. Do it again & i'll report you. You can Reply back in one post. I know you're trying really hard to bring the number of your posts up, but truly - that's sad.


Yes, if memory serves, you were Banned for quite a while. Tragic. But since you brought up your 'great record', I thought i'd take the liberty of comparing Mopping Records.

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Now, would you like me to ask the same Mod 'bout your illustrious track record - with those 15 Negative Ratings?

The 1st video is of a Su-27 from a 2002 Crash in Ukraine (link below). I only thought its fair that if you're comparing this year's PAF Crash of a Block 15 - i'd return the favor with an earlier variant of the Su-35.
Sknyliv Air Show Disaster

And in your last post you just showed a Su-27 shoving a F-15 Eagle. Obviously its a Su-27 'cause the RT News Anchor clearly stated it was. But these pushing and shoving matches have been going on between the US, Russians & Chinese for quite a while.

As for your lovely Su-35...

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Seriously, since 2014 Russia has only been able to get 3 Customers to buy this flying trash can?

Jeez, you & I have been Members of PDF longer than that. One would have imagined you to have done a better job marketing for Sukhoi. But it be hard for you to sell something which really doesn't bring anything to the table. I've seen used-Volvo's with more value then your mighty Su-35. I don't see Nations lining up to buy any - anytime soon.

I would share the list of orders for the Block 70/72, but without even a single one ready on the tarmac - Lockheed Martin has already bagged orders from over 5-6 Nations. And more to come.

But that's okay, keep sharing your baseless documentaries. If anything PAF will go for more F-16's (new or used), and you can sit in corner wiping your tears and asking, "Why?!!"

"Just because you cut the ears off a Mule - don't make him a Horse"
-Ethan Hawke (The Magnificent Seven)​

P.S.: As I said earlier, if you want to say something - do so in ONE POST and not multiple ones. And please cut it out with the childish emojis (). If the excess usage wasn't sad - i'd be pathetic.

There we go again, with ur childesh mind set that, because of anerican influence on the world its products been over sold, that means its better then rest of the fighter jets, come on kid grow up, looks like you been laboring lot of extra hours in LKM factories and you feel that of that factory ill be closed you ill lose your dam job?
I don't give any dam to any negetive ratings and that's not a problem for getting banned for talking truth, I can take that everytime
Well, we aren't talking about the number of sales of F16s vs SU35s here?
Cause F16s was decade old plateform nearly absolute from 70s while as the topic suggest it's about SU35s and its capabilities, it's avionics its EWF, it's CM, IT'S AOA, IT'S RADARS, it ROC my topic is that bring anything from that and then tell me where F16s the 70s junk stands against it?
Which I think, you can't be able to do and Thts the reason why you are side tracking and going out of topic?
Cold War Era is over, and now this is a free world, your love to uncle Sam is nice but it not serves pakistans national intersts.
And that's the reason why in today's world you only can see thunder in pakistani skies with a russian made engine
I can't understand why my emojis are hurting you but with a loving gesture here are some more for you
Next time don't go out of topic to make your junk justified!!!!!
Cause you been failed to bring up any dam technological draw backs of SU35s, while it's the next massivly adopted fighter jet after F35s but we aren't comparing that here, we are more on its modern warfare abilities in the skies

 

[batmannow]

sTrailer23 @batmannow
I fail to see if are we going to achieve anything meaningful through ridiculing Russian and Western aviation.

so let me engage you both because I want to see if I can channel your negative energies to something useful for this thread.

in my view the Western and Russian design philosophies are different. not one is superior to the other because in their own right they serve their stated purpose and goal.

Western design emphasizes at quality and sophistication with expensive long hour engines. Russian design is rugged and endurance for hard unpaved runways.
same philosophy exists in other hardware including firearms AK series and M4, 14, 16s etc
products from both have served their countries well and kept the opponent on the edge.

making a judgement call based on some crashes and media banter and boasting is unfair. Russians are not very open about their products like the west but they are in no way inferior they get the job done.
Hollywood and aggressive media marketing seems to suggest that Western technology is light years ahead of Russians it maybe true and in my view its due to financial issues Russian side encountered since the fall of USSR and failure of communism vs Capitalism.
sadly for Russians, their jets were always operated by ineffective and degraded air forces and they were up against NATO where there was just no match against the entire net centric satellite AWAC supported air force of USA and UK vs Saddam's airforce and degraded Qaddafi airforce. (ok lets count our 27 Feb 19 encounter but we just outflanked and outsmarted the IAF)

but it never meant that Russian technology was inferior, back in Bosnian warm Serbians used the Russian SAM system to down American stealth fighter and joked "sorry we didnt know it was stealth". Turkey has been kicked out of F-35 program purely because of fear of S400 system able to gather intelligence on its features.


coming back to SU35 jet and its family of derivatives. they are heavy weight twin engine fighters which doesnt fit in PAF strategy. it is a surprise for me that a twin engine is selected for the AZM fighter which might lead the PAF planners to rethink if the mission statement changes and PAF war strategy is reassessed.

Yea sure, sir that's what I was trying to push to a lot of pakistanis mind set, with growing conflicts in our part of world, I don't see PAF will be able to get it's hands on any of western modern fighter jets and that's why thy went for thunder s and now for AZM?
It's very hard misconcept and was a fake excuse of a twin engine fighter aircrafts will be expensive to mentain, it's your strategy how to use them and when to use them, well thanks for comming to ma thread and actully you hve saved ma thread being off topic, my effort was to bring a detailed short flim of SU35s capablities to pakistanis who been fooled by some western media stunts about Russian tech and its fighter jets, while Germany still flying its MIG29s because they think it's still a impact full fighter jet specially in EU zone while you missed the great history of migs and sukhois role in IRAQ IRAN war?
Migs and sukhois served iraqi airforce brilliantly untill Iraq been attack by USA and its allies, which I think even if Iraqi airforce had 50 F35 still they have lost it cause they were outnumbered?
While rightly, PAK planners has adopted the twin engine theory as they got near to reality that PAF lacks a deep strike capability against its arch enemy and if any war goes to a longer period of time then they ill be valunrable aginst thier enemies, so I think AZM still is a long way to go and for a stop gap situation pakistan can get even a Chinese version of sukhois or else go direct to Russia and get it from them with some TOT and It ill also help pakistan in its project AZM and I think right now as you know well, Russians are angry over india which has dumped Russia because of its political alliances with USA, we have a way just need a stronger will

 

[Windjammer]

Here, enjoy a picture of an F-16 with the kill-markings of a Su-30MKi (the Raptor of the East).
View attachment 666342​

@Irfan Baloch

No, this is Wing Commander Nauman Ali's Viper aka the Bison Blaster....it was S/L Hassan Sadiqui flying Viper # 606 that got the SU-30.

 

[batmannow]

You used terms like 'ur childish' & 'kid grow up'. Aren't you the one constantly hooked on to:

And I truly don't know what to make of your . Maybe you're a homosexual or something. Your business.

I'm sure you can take that everytime, but I recall you being the one who bragged about asking Mods about your reputation and all that you achieved. I sure as hell didn't bring it up, but most certainly set the Record straight with evidence.

Begging your pardon, but did you just put that shitbox Su-35 in the same category as the F-35? Your Su-35 wouldn't last 15sec against a F-22 Raptor, let a lone a F-35.


Well, maybe we should be discussing the Sales of F-16's vs. the Su-whatever. You think you're smarter than all those decision makers that have invested their Taxpayers Money without giving it a serious thought. Yeah right!

And by 'absolute', I believe you're referring to the word 'obsolete'. Man, just get a Goddamn dictionary like the rest of the World, or atleast use the Spellcheck option. I've seen 3rd Graders with better grammar than you.

Q. What do you make of a 70's Tech (80's Model) F-16 Block 15 making short work of a 2000's Tech, Su-30MKi last year?

Two jets with a gap of 2 decades tech difference and the F-16 came on top.

You must have been heartbroken last year when an old PAF F-16 shot down the IAF Su-30MKi. Its okay if you were sitting in a corner with tears running down your cheeks. Coincidentally just like the 2nd Su-30MKi running for cover against the mighty F-16 Fighting Falcon.

Now...

Q. What would happen if a modern F-16 were to go against the present Su-35?
You'd probably pack up your bags and move to Thailand. No wait, you're already there.

Oh just so that you know, the Su-35 is a 4.5th Generation jet just like the Block 70.

Final Thoughts: If you want blow rainbows out of your rear about how great the Su-35 or even the MiG-35 are, fine go right ahead. But keep one think in mind that the PAF will never go for those jet.

Sorry you are off topic, while there is no comparison, between a F16 any of its BLK be it 170th
At least bring some, abilities or technical advantages over SU35s my thread isn't about its comparisons to other fighter jets and still you failed to bring any valid objections over the abilities of SU 35s, where I'm living, or where you are living isn't the topic here, while I think, better you should stop going off topic for your ridiculous love of vipers
Dont rant again, I can take you to cleaners but I'm Jst avoiding it because I'm bout to post another thread for your love for sokhois