A Glimpse of Chinese EVs: the dominant power to drive the world into the future of transportation

Kai Liu · Nov 4, 2021

jamahir said:
I would like the Chinese middle class people on this thread salivating over the obsolete and harmful idea of privately-owned personal transport cars however much "self-driving" it becomes, and contribute to this thread of mine.

Just stick to your 'india idea', thanks.

jamahir · Nov 4, 2021

Kai Liu said:
Just stick to your 'india idea', thanks.

And this is your response to me a Communist and to my mellow proposal ?

GS Zhou · Nov 4, 2021

jamahir said:
And this is your response to me a Communist and to my mellow proposal ?

Not sure how a Communist is perceived in India. But here in China, a qualified Communist should be some one that is "down to earth", i.e. focusing on some realistic and actionable things, for example:
- encourage the battery company to do more R&D, so the energy density, cost of the battery could be appropriate for the use of electric vehicles
- design the road map of renewable energy (wind, solar etc), as well as the monitoring of the roadmap progress, so the adoption of EV won't bring too much additional carbon emission
- mandate the stated-owned grid company to upgrade their grid capacity, especially the last km connection to the residential buildings
- encourage the private investment to public charging industry, so the expansion of the public charging network could be on par with the overall EV development
- develop the high speed rail network, so for long-distance travel, people could have an alternative solution which is fast, convenient and comfort
- develop the inner-city public transport network, e.g. metros, electric buses; as well as build more roads, so the traffic conditions could be improved
- develop the micro-mobility services, e.g. shared bicycles, so the pain points on the "1st and last miles of the public commuters" could be solved.

The Communists in China are focusing on these more realistic plans, not some Utopia like "private cars is evil, we should make them banned immediately"

jamahir · Nov 4, 2021

GS Zhou said:
Not sure how a Communist is perceived in India. But here in China, a qualified Communist should be some one that is "down to earth", i.e. focusing on some realistic and actionable things, for example:
- encourage the battery company to do more R&D, so the energy density, cost of the battery could be appropriate for the use of electric vehicles
- design the road map of renewable energy (wind, solar etc), as well as the monitoring of the roadmap progress, so the adoption of EV won't bring too much additional carbon emission
- mandate the stated-owned grid company to upgrade their grid capacity, especially the last km connection to the residential buildings
- encourage the private investment to public charging industry, so the expansion of the public charging network could be on par with the overall EV development
- develop the high speed rail network, so for long-distance travel, people could have an alternative solution which is fast, convenient and comfort
- develop the inner-city public transport network, e.g. metros, electric buses; as well as build more roads, so the traffic conditions could be improved
- develop the micro-mobility services, e.g. shared bicycles, so the pain points on the "1st and last miles of the public commuters" could be solved.

The Communists in China are focusing on these more realistic plans, not some Utopia like "private cars is evil, we should make them banned immediately"

1. First tell me who is a "Qualified Communist" ?

2. The so-called People's Republic had 72 years to "realistically" become a Communist society, like enabling workers' rights, establishing an evolved economic system if not abolishing money system altogether and enabling people's rule ( direct democracy - the "Withering away of the State" desire of Communism ). But the Communist Party of China has failed in all this, so among other things you in China have the stock market where people can gamble, lose money and the system allows people to commit suicide by jumping into steel furnaces and off buildings. China is not remotely a Communist society.

3, What is the problem in abolishing privately-owned personal transport cars and two-wheelers ?

4. And while China is looking at obsolete and unsafe lithium-ion batteries others are looking at zinc-ion and other technologies which also provide decentralized, device-level power generation. And while China is looking at obsolete private electric cars others are looking at cyclorotor aircraft.

FairAndUnbiased · Nov 4, 2021

mike2000 is back said:
If that's the case, the BYD has been a relative failure in the new car EV industry . Since they had a huge head start over their competitors, and yet they didn't take full advantage of this . In fact, they are lagging behind companies that came behind them just recently. Shows that their policy/designs has indeed been a relative failure to some extent. Since under normal circumstances they should have been the market leaders in CHINA at least and even a world leader by now. I don't think they will be able to achieve that anymore since they haven't been able to do that all this years. More competitors are coming in and those already in are moving ahead even more faster with better designs each year . I guess they will keep playing second fiddle in the background while more cool/innovative car designs companies keep moving on ahead.

BYD isn't like a EV company, they're more like a chaebol style heavy industrial conglomerate. Historically they were a vertically integrated leader in battery tech, power electronics and car parts for other companies, then decided to assemble their parts and electronics together for their own branded cars. Kind of like Hyundai. That is why they are successful in commercial EV which even Tesla can't do - because for commercial vehicle only cost effectiveness matters everything else is bullsht.

Other EV companies will still be buying their components.

GS Zhou · Nov 4, 2021

jamahir said:
1. First tell me who is a "Qualified Communist" ?

2. The so-called People's Republic had 72 years to "realistically" become a Communist society, like enabling workers' rights, establishing an evolved economic system if not abolishing money system altogether and enabling people's rule ( direct democracy - the "Withering away of the State" desire of Communism ). But the Communist Party of China has failed in all this, so among other things you in China have the stock market where people can gamble, lose money and the system allows people to commit suicide by jumping into steel furnaces and off buildings. China is not remotely a Communist society.

3, What is the problem in abolishing privately-owned personal transport cars and two-wheelers ?

4. And while China is looking at obsolete and unsafe lithium-ion batteries others are looking at zinc-ion and other technologies which also provide decentralized, device-level power generation. And while China is looking at obsolete private electric cars others are looking at cyclorotor aircraft.

This is a thread for the discussion on electric vehicles. What I've told you is the government measures taken in China to support the healthier development of electric cars, or the broader mobility system in China. If you want to discuss the topics other than that, go to other thread. This is obviously not the right place.

FairAndUnbiased · Nov 4, 2021

jamahir said:
Yeah yeah, keep on with your obsolete American ideas like skyscrapers and electric cars.

China has some of the best public transit in the world with electric BYD buses, electric subway and electric high speed rail. Even electric bike. When I'm in China I never drive. Why do you always propose vastly complex ideas that ironically are far worse for the environment, more dangerous and slower simultaneously, than simple solutions like e-bike + electric traditional transit?

It's like how Musk always takes proven concepts like subway and light rail, then makes them far worse and less economical by separating the trains, giving them all individual engine and operator, using paved roads instead of steel rail, etc. Sometimes traditional proven tech is just what works and it doesn't change drastically because it doesn't need to.

Beast · Nov 4, 2021

FairAndUnbiased said:
BYD isn't like a EV company, they're more like a chaebol style heavy industrial conglomerate. Historically they were a vertically integrated leader in battery tech, power electronics and car parts for other companies, then decided to assemble their parts and electronics together for their own branded cars. Kind of like Hyundai. That is why they are successful in commercial EV which even Tesla can't do - because for commercial vehicle only cost effectiveness matters everything else is bullsht.

Other EV companies will still be buying their components.

BYD even produced their own IGBT chips. IGBT regulate and control the electric flow for your EV. The better the chip, the more efficient your EV.