A Delay In MMRCA Is Not a Blessings For Pakistan Air Force

[MastanKhan]

There are flaws in the design and it is not suited for dog fighting if those flaws are not rectified. Secondly J31 is a copy of F35. Enough said about Chinese 5th gen fighters.

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F35 is one the most advanced 5th gen aircraft out there----. Other than the F22---there is nothing to match it---regardless of what you read and what you have heard ----.

Anyway my question is----- just because something is a copy ---does it mean that it does not kill or what is it?

 

[Areesh]

People give a 'hand' to Areesh for the smartest post of the day.

Thank You Mastan Khan.

 

[AtiF Malang]

We shall keep our horses and swords ready . I agree to you @MastanKhan . Su 30 MKI in large quantity with its devastating payload first need to be countered with a jet with same configuration or greater . JF 17 can just defend inside Pakistan or can do some limited strikes . Remember We won 1965 as took the war to enemy country . 5th generation is just a myth . Our mirages are crashing so are the F 7s . Also keeping single type of jet for all the jobs is devastating as it will be far easy for the enemy to counter a single type as compared to a cocktail formation .

 

[Tipu7]

You are missing big picture.
SAM are not replacement of Fighter aircrafts, they have their own importance.
Egyptians lost entire AIR force on Ground in 67 & Israelis were expecting that for least 10 years Egypt will not be able to induct enough air power to pose any threat to Israel. Egyptians went for mobile Soviet SAMS in order to grip Israel from neck. Israel was completely shocked when their IAF got ruined by SAMS......... but what happened next? What ever Egypt moved away from SAM shield, it was destroyed by IAF. And when Israeli tanks managed to effuse through Suiz canal and destroyed SAMS, he entire Egyptian armor in Sinai was at mercy of IAF. .....

SAMS are meant to protect your air space, but when you enter enemy territory it's your air force which provide you air cover ........ if you lack good air force but have great SAM systems then you can surely defend your air territory....... but you cannot launch decent counter attack on enemy grounds......

@Goenitz

 

[Srinivas]

F35 is one the most advanced 5th gen aircraft out there----. Other than the F22---there is nothing to match it---regardless of what you read and what you have heard ----.

Anyway my question is----- just because something is a copy ---does it mean that it does not kill or what is it?

Yes I agree F35 is an advanced fighter jets because of sensor fusion and other capabilities built and integrated around it.

But the same cannot be said about J31, Chinese do have some good technologies that are being developed but J31 I do not think it is at the level of US fighter jets or even at at the level of Russian ones.

 

[Tipu7]

Egypt won against whom in 73 ?
Israeli air force destroyed the dam whole tank div of Egypt ?
& you call it a sucsses bravo ?lolzz

No one was victorious in 73 war, but it was Egyptians who gained most.
Israel suffered heavily in 73 war.

 

[CHD]

PAF for now will focus on JF-17 and the next platform will be only from china whichever fighter that is!

 

[Hell hound]

You are missing big picture.
SAM are not replacement of Fighter aircrafts, they have their own importance.
Egyptians lost entire AIR force on Ground in 67 & Israelis were expecting that for least 10 years Egypt will not be able to induct enough air power to pose any threat to Israel. Egyptians went for mobile Soviet SAMS in order to grip Israel from neck. Israel was completely shocked when their IAF got ruined by SAMS......... but what happened next? What ever Egypt moved away from SAM shield, it was destroyed by IAF. And when Israeli tanks managed to effuse through Suiz canal and destroyed SAMS, he entire Egyptian armor in Sinai was at mercy of IAF. .....

SAMS are meant to protect your air space, but when you enter enemy territory it's your air force which provide you air cover ........ if you lack good air force but have great SAM systems then you can surely defend your air territory....... but you cannot launch decent counter attack on enemy grounds......

@Goenitz

but the problem is that neither we have any quality sams nor any air superiority fighter so how are we going to defend our air space.long gone are the time when india use auck auck to defend its air space now they operate quality sams and entering their air space will be alot harder then 65 or 71

 

[Goenitz]

You are missing big picture.
SAM are not replacement of Fighter aircrafts, they have their own importance.
Egyptians lost entire AIR force on Ground in 67 & Israelis were expecting that for least 10 years Egypt will not be able to induct enough air power to pose any threat to Israel. Egyptians went for mobile Soviet SAMS in order to grip Israel from neck. Israel was completely shocked when their IAF got ruined by SAMS......... but what happened next? What ever Egypt moved away from SAM shield, it was destroyed by IAF. And when Israeli tanks managed to effuse through Suiz canal and destroyed SAMS, he entire Egyptian armor in Sinai was at mercy of IAF. .....

SAMS are meant to protect your air space, but when you enter enemy territory it's your air force which provide you air cover ........ if you lack good air force but have great SAM systems then you can surely defend your air territory....... but you cannot launch decent counter attack on enemy grounds......

@Goenitz

I know sir.. mastan sir also stated same point "sadat fateful decision to go out from SAM umbrella ".. Let's not take the strategic mistakes into account..
1. Yes. there was surprise factor (so no counter planing by Iaf) Plus on jewsih holiday, TOWs etc
2. Yes to strike we need a haeavy bomber (SUs, Mirage 2000) (Mastan has been advocating from many of his recent posts about it)
My point was, what give u the courage of offence !!! i think a good defense .Due to Pakistan economic crisis, its better we should protect our assets, first. Then we have to provide air-support/cover to our forces ( during enemy invasion again a defensive role ) .
But prioritizing for a heavy fighter, w'd be an disadvantage as we may not use it because of the retaliation. To wipe out/offence u need more than enemy force at least (ideally 3 times). So why shd we spend on which we may not use at first place.

Yes, we need SU 35/ J16 for maritime role (again for defence purposes).. we may add more SUs if economy permits it.

 

[Tipu7]

Russians are smart, they know what Pakistan needs. That's why they put Mi35, Buk, Pantsir and Tor on offer list and now they are going for Su35,........ in case of Pakistan and Russia there are four prominent deals going on,
Mi35
Yak 130
Buk SAM
Su35

Among them last offer is in shadows, no one knows how authentic it is, but it's clear that Pakistan is now working on air defense in a better way, but in case of SAM extra home work is required as we have access to almost all Chinese air defense systems and can also get Turkish or Russian ones, but money is acting like a inhibitor ........ we have a lot of choices, but money is problem

 

[Ankit Kumar 001]

By the way Wiki says that PAF operates 99 Fighting Falcons and 14 were bought this year only. @MastanKhan Sir can you clarify this as I haven't seen any reports about delivery or addition of falcons in PAF.

Thanks

 

[Kakaspai]

By the way Wiki says that PAF operates 99 Fighting Falcons and 14 were bought this year only. @MastanKhan Sir can you clarify this as I haven't seen any reports about delivery or addition of falcons in PAF.

Thanks

I am going to repeat the same line.Dear its wikipedia dont believe everything written in there

 

[Side-Winder]

Don't worry, J10B( AESA,SD-10A),J31 are on the way to Pakistan if it needs!

A platform takes time to get integrated with new customers/operators. it's not just about getting first hands on a platform.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

J-10s coming, lets forget everything else.

 

[Darth Vader]

@MastanKhan My Friend You are turning into that girlfriend who moans about one thing everyday but with Different words
How Much All of you wish @Zarvan dont see it happening
@Horus Yes It Will give a huge boost To Pakistan But How about Whos side will Russia Support If somehow Pakistan and India engages , In War Time This will be Nightmare for PAF unless you wana See Kargil Thing Happening Again with PAF

Pakistan had planned 2025 But Problem Was their were no funds so instead of Just Sitting Around They kick started their own project And We have a capable fighter in less than decade

It has evolved so much in so less time and will keep Doing that Just Give it a time, Best thing Now to do is Changing the ageing Fleet of F7s and Mirage By Just Doing that With Block 2 or 3 of thunder You Will have a twice capable Force Ready ,with no problem in funds , spears , and Best Thing No sanctions And Deploy Any kind of weapon You Like with just modification

Sukhoi or Other Bird Will Take for induction and money which Will Slow down thunder its development and induction No matter What anyone Says I Hope Paf Stands behind Thunder and Support it Try to speed up the project

When Paf has changed all its old crafts to Thunder it will also give Paf room ( confidence) to experiment and deploy different Systems