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A day of Shame - Cabinet approves dual nationality, contempt of court amend

the US oath is even more startling.


That black faced Shahzad took the same oath. And still ended up trying to blow up innocent New Yorkers.

Majority Pakistanis be they single national or dual, do not believe in these worldly oaths unfortunately. Their "oats" are tied to Saudi and Irani sand dunes.

peace.
 
The wording of the British oath is very clear cut, yoUr absolute loyalty will be for the monarch and any deviation from that and you shall be in violation of that oath. PERIOD

Adding a colourful twist to it by showing loyalty to both is not part of the British oath, it is very clear cut......

im sorry, i have just added the first line, it was not appreaing because the board is having some technical problems
 
[:::~Spartacus~:::];3143179 said:
but there are many pakistani born abroad having dual nationality, many pakistani living oversees love pakistan more than our own countrymen, having a pure pakistani nationality doesnt mean that person will be complete loyal to the country and having dual citizenship doesnt mean that he will surely betray his country or put his oversees country first

secondly dual nationals are better educated and better trained for the modern world

dual nationals also send pakistan precious income money as dollars as compared to locals

I'm also a Pakistani born but imo dual nationals should only be allowed to vote but they should not be given right to stand as a candidate in elections. No doubt they send remits, still they have their money, properties, jobs, etc etc in foreign country, if Pakistan loses the dual national won't loose much as they have everything setup in foreign land on the contrary if a person who is only a national of Pakistan do something that harms the country, he can't runaway & eventually he will loose, so only those who are complete stakeholders inside Pakistan should be allowed, not even the people who are out of Pakistan for continious 1 year even if they hold only nationality of Pakistan.

Dual Nationals if really wanna help Pakistan can help in better ways than politics, like they can invest money in Pakistan, start School/College/University in Pakistan where they can apply Western system of Education, etc.
 
That black faced Shahzad took the same oath. And still ended up trying to blow up innocent New Yorkers.

Majority Pakistanis be they single national or dual, do not believe in these worldly oaths unfortunately. Their "oats" are tied to Saudi and Irani sand dunes.

peace.

Like you don't hold American nationality but you have taken oath for Uncle Sam.
 
It is unfair to equate "dual nationality" and "divided loyalty".

Let's analyze "single nationality" and "loyalty" first.

The thing is that a dual national have none or little stakes in Pakistan & if GodForbid there is any harm to Pakistan he will escape, whereas a national who holds only Pakistani nationality can't escape like that.

That black faced Shahzad took the same oath. And still ended up trying to blow up innocent New Yorkers.

Majority Pakistanis be they single national or dual, do not believe in these worldly oaths unfortunately. Their "oats" are tied to Saudi and Irani sand dunes.

peace.

That was very shameful for Pakistanis around the world, the country that feed him & he turned against that country, he should've been given death sentence or life imprisonment.
 
The thing is that a dual national have none or little stakes in Pakistan & if GodForbid there is any harm to Pakistan he will escape, whereas a national who holds only Pakistani nationality can't escape like that.
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These statements only look good on paper. Just check out the billions of billions of stolen dollars saved up in Swiss bank. It is easy to see that most of that money has been stashed away by "Single nationals".

peace.
 
sadly our LAST hope to stop this bill is MQM and PML N! they can veto this and stop it from being passed for this nation!

BUT will they? answer is NO! because clearly they both have dual nationals in their ranks!
 
PART III

Chapter 2. THE MAJLIS-E-SHOORA (Parliament)

63. Disqualifications for membership of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament):

Disqualifications for membership of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament):
(1) A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if:-
(a) he is of unsound mind and has been so declared by a competent court; or
(b) he is an undischarged insolvent; or
(c) he ceases to be a citizen of Pakistan, or acquires the citizenship of a foreign State; or
(d) he holds an office of profit in the service of Pakistan other than an office declared by law not to disqualify its holder; or

(e) he is in the service of any statutory body or any body which is owned or controlled by the Government or in which the Government has a controlling share or interest; or
(f) being a citizen of Pakistan by virtue of section 14B of the Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951 (II of 1951), he is for the time being disqualified under any law in force in Azad Jammu and Kashmir from being elected as a member of the Legislative Assembly of Azad Jammu and Kashmir; or
(g) he has been convicted by a court of competent jurisdiction for propagating any opinion, or acting in any manner, prejudicial to the ideology of Pakistan, or the sovereignty, integrity or security of Pakistan, or morality, or the maintenance of public order, or the integrity or independence of the judiciary of Pakistan, or which defames or brings into ridicule the judiciary or the Armed Forces of Pakistan, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release; or
(h) he has been, on conviction for any offence involving moral turpitude, senteced to imprisonment for a term of not less than two years, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release; or
(i) he has been dismissed from the service of Pakistan or service of a corporation or office set up or, controlled, by the Federal Government, Provincial Government or a Local Government on the grounds of misconduct, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his dismissal; or
(j) he has been removed or compulsorily retired from the service of Pakistan or service of a corporation or office set up or controlled by the Federal Government, Provincial Government or a Local Government on the ground of misconduct, unless a period of three years has elapsed since his removal or compulsory retirement; or
(k) he has been in the service of Pakistan or of any statutory body or any body which is owned or controlled by the Government or in which the Government has a controlling share or interest, unless a period of two years has elapsed since he ceased to be in such service; or
(l) he, whether by himself or by any person or body of persons in trust for him or for his benefit or on his account or as a member of a Hindu undivided family, has any share or interest in a contract, not being a contract between a cooperative society and Government, for the supply of goods to, or for the execution of any contract or for the performance of any service undertaken by, Government:

Provided that the disqualification under this paragraph shall not apply to a person-
(i) where the share or interest in the contract devolves on him by inheritance or succession or as a legatee, executor or administrator, until the expiration of six months after it has so devolved on him;
(ii) where the contract has been entered into by or on behalf of a public company as defined in the Companies Ordinance, 1984 (XLVII of 1984), of which he is a share-holder but is not a director holding an office of profit under the company; or
(iii) where he is a member of a Hindu undivided family and the contract has been entered into by any other member of that family in the course of carrying on a separate business in which he has no share or interest; or

Explanation:- In this Article "goods" does not include agricultural produce or commodity grown or produced by him or such goods as he is, under any directive of Government or any law for the time being in force, under a duty or obligation to supply.

(m) he holds any office of profit in the service of Pakistan other than the following offices, namely :-
(i) an office which is not whole time office remunerated either by salary or by fee;
(ii) the office of Lumbardar, whether called by this or any other title;
(iii) the Qaumi Razakars;
(iv) any office the holder whereof, by virtue of such office, is liable to be called up for military training or military service under any law providing for the constitution or raising of a Force; or
(n) he has obtained a loan for an amount of two million rupees or more, from any bank, financial institution, cooperative society or cooperative body in his own name or in the name of his spouse or any of his dependents, which remains unpaid for more than one year from the due date, or has got such loan written off; or
(o) he or his spouse or any of his dependents has defaulted in payment of government dues and utility expenses, including telephone, electricity, gas and water charges in excess of ten thousand rupees, for over six months, at the time of filing his nomination papers; or

(p) he is for the time being disqualified from being elected or chosen as a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) or of a Provincial Assembly under any law for the time being in force.

Explanation: For the purposes of this paragraph "law" shall not include an Ordinance promulgated under Article 89 or Article 128.


(2) If any question arises whether a member of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) has become disqualified from being a member, the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman shall, unless he decides that no such question has arisen, refer the question to the Election Commission within thirty days and should he fail to do so within the aforesaid period it shall be deemed to have been referred to the Election Comission.

(3) The Election Commission shall decide the question within ninety days from its receipt or deemed to have been received and if it is of the opinion that the member has become disqualified, he shall cease to be a member and his seat shall become vacant."

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I have just bolded some very basics

If we implement the constitution 100% the whole parliament and government is unconstitutional

Let's put this into perpective.....

If you hold a British passport then you have by signing the passport document accepted the oath and allegiance to the British monarch.

Here is the wording

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/s...ons/nisec2gensec/oathofallegiance?view=Binary

"I, [name], swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law."
Pledge:

"I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen."



Now, where does the loyalty of these candidates lay....... Former ambassador Hussain Haqqani comes to mind.........


also this one:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
 
This will never get passed by the parliament they don't have 2/3rd majority to amend the constitution.

Unless Nawaz Sharif okays it again.
 
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ye tou hona hi tha... NATO supply khulengey, $$$ Milengey , swiss account khulengey aur Pakistani politicians UK/US ki citizenship accept kar maze/aish karengey. Matlab jaise the waise hi rahengey.

Headline should be like - "Hillary ka NAQLI SORRY ne dikhaa di Pakistani Politicians ki ASLEE PEHCHAAN." :cheesy:

PS : My Comment is directed towards POLITICIANS Only.
 
This will never get passed by the parliament they don't have 2/3rd majority to amend the constitution.

Unless Nawaz Sharif okays it again.

Isn't it an ordnance? And a ordnance can go un-approved by parliament for three months.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.[1]

This means that a dual national shall have no allegiance to Pakistan whatsoever, according to the law and oath.
 
This will never get passed by the parliament they don't have 2/3rd majority to amend the constitution.

Unless Nawaz Sharif okays it again.

HE MIGHT IN RETURN he might ask for something in return unlike other parties MONEY is not good enough for him he needs another corrupt thing maybe an amendment of law for personal gains. like dual office because after all he wishes to remain party chief & Prime minister in the future!
 
Isn't it an ordnance? And a ordnance can go un-approved by parliament for three months.



This means that a dual national shall have no allegiance to Pakistan whatsoever, according to the law and oath.

I think I read it was a bill. Ordinance is given through President, so why bring in Cabinet?

But its still all neck and neck...

Maulvi Fazlu toh forun bik jayega

PML-F ka kuch pata nahi

Q league ke hum khayal main se 3-4 toot jayenge.

MQM will 100% support corruption and support Zardari

But if Ganja puts the weight of 91 of his votes, then there's no stopping this amendment.

Ganja may even want this since his children are dual national holders and corrupt people don't like a strong judiciary anyway.
 
Woops, my bad.

Maybe malik Riaz could make a deal go through!!!

Ganja is going to be found out on this one, he has some dual nationals in his party, and his family as well i think. Secondly, he has never spoken out about dual-nationalities. People say IK never spoke about terrorism, but ganja does not come out openly about dual-nationals etc either.
 
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