A Chinese's view of China-Bangladesh relations.

[TOTUU]

China will not send it's army to fight Bangladesh's war with India, given China's self-centric foreign policy, we can not also expect China's diplomatic and military support in the time of military conflict. We are pretty much on our own during conflict times. So, becoming China's client state do not benefit us in anyway. We can get all the benefits China willing to offer just by maintaining economic and military co-operation as we are doing now. But becoming China's client state will exaggerbate our chance of conflict with India like a self-fullfilling prophesy. In such a case, we will lost sympathy of the West and much of the East. Plus chinese model of authoritarianism also does not suit us. Look at Myanmar, North Korea or Pakistan, do we want to become like them?

1 ,China like all countries is self-centred. This is the right mentality for a country.

2，China would send troops abroad as the situation dictated; North Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and Cambodia in the 1980s China sent troops .

3，China's neighbourhood diplomacy is a top priority for China's diplomacy and if an external power or hostile country wants to change the form of China's neighbours through military means, China will respond accordingly. An example: when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, China was very weak but provided what military assistance it could . Based on China's current national strength, it is quite possible for China to send troops abroad .

4.China does not need client state ，Nowadays alliance relationship was outdated , which has exclusive, hostile attributes. The relationship between Bangladesh and China is based on the common interest of balancing India. This necessarily makes the relationship between the two countries stronger than that with ordinary countries.

5，The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , Such assistance from China was bound to happen as a result of geopolitics. This of course does not include the case of the Bengali invasion of India .LOL

6，The closer the relationship between Bangladesh and China, the more mutual benefits will accrue to both sides. There is a give and take, the US allies are the ones who give up a lot of sovereignty to the US in order to gain US support, and the same US will give a lot of benefits to its allies accordingly. We cannot see Europe, Japan and South Korea receiving all kinds of benefits without seeing the price they pay for their sovereignty .
Don't expect one party to give unilaterally; if only one party gives unilaterally, the relationship won't last. A balance of giving and giving back is what will last. The more you give, the more you will receive.

7，China is now not in alliance with any country, including with Russia and Pakistan, and this relationship is beneficial to both sides. The same goes for relations with Bangladesh, maintaining a cooperative relationship but with no alliances to the benefit of both sides.

8，China is not an authoritarian state, which is the label given by the West to China.If you really want to know about China, don't get it from the media in the West, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India and other countries. Unfortunately, the media of this world is dominated by the West. So, if you want to know about China, it is better to go to China yourself.
You can also see China through some of the Walking China videos.
For example, this channel

9，I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.

10，As for the future of the world, I believe that the West is already mentally and physically senile. With or without China, with or without a challenger, the West is bound to fall, just as China did 200 years ago, and this is the law of physics.
It is impossible for an old man to stay alive and youthful, no matter how much power and money he has .
The advantage of developing countries is that they are willing to learn from other countries. A country that is ahead for too long loses the willingness to learn from others, and arrogance is an outward expression of this mentality. Developing countries are young in spirit, willing to learn and to learn from others.

11，It is no coincidence that all the developed countries in the world are now allies or quasi-allies of the United States; it is a necessity. Under the American international order, countries that are not allies of the United States certainly cannot become developed countries.
One can look at the geographical location of these developed countries. By the same token, there is a good chance that South Vietnam will become a developed country under the US world order.
One can think of the country that needs Bangladesh to become a developed country under the world order dominated by which country.


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[fallstuff]

1 ,China like all countries is self-centred. This is the right mentality for a country.

2，China would send troops abroad as the situation dictated; North Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and Cambodia in the 1980s China sent troops .

3，China's neighbourhood diplomacy is a top priority for China's diplomacy and if an external power or hostile country wants to change the form of China's neighbours through military means, China will respond accordingly. An example: when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, China was very weak but provided what military assistance it could . Based on China's current national strength, it is quite possible for China to send troops abroad .

4.China does not need client state ，Nowadays alliance relationship was outdated , which has exclusive, hostile attributes. The relationship between Bangladesh and China is based on the common interest of balancing India. This necessarily makes the relationship between the two countries stronger than that with ordinary countries.

5，The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , Such assistance from China was bound to happen as a result of geopolitics. This of course does not include the case of the Bengali invasion of India .LOL

6，The closer the relationship between Bangladesh and China, the more mutual benefits will accrue to both sides. There is a give and take, the US allies are the ones who give up a lot of sovereignty to the US in order to gain US support, and the same US will give a lot of benefits to its allies accordingly. We cannot see Europe, Japan and South Korea receiving all kinds of benefits without seeing the price they pay for their sovereignty .
Don't expect one party to give unilaterally; if only one party gives unilaterally, the relationship won't last. A balance of giving and giving back is what will last. The more you give, the more you will receive.

7，China is now not in alliance with any country, including with Russia and Pakistan, and this relationship is beneficial to both sides. The same goes for relations with Bangladesh, maintaining a cooperative relationship but with no alliances to the benefit of both sides.

8，China is not an authoritarian state, which is the label given by the West to China.If you really want to know about China, don't get it from the media in the West, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India and other countries. Unfortunately, the media of this world is dominated by the West. So, if you want to know about China, it is better to go to China yourself.
You can also see China through some of the Walking China videos.
For example, this channel

9，I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.

10，As for the future of the world, I believe that the West is already mentally and physically senile. With or without China, with or without a challenger, the West is bound to fall, just as China did 200 years ago, and this is the law of physics.
It is impossible for an old man to stay alive and youthful, no matter how much power and money he has .
The advantage of developing countries is that they are willing to learn from other countries. A country that is ahead for too long loses the willingness to learn from others, and arrogance is an outward expression of this mentality. Developing countries are young in spirit, willing to learn and to learn from others.

11，It is no coincidence that all the developed countries in the world are now allies or quasi-allies of the United States; it is a necessity. Under the American international order, countries that are not allies of the United States certainly cannot become developed countries.
One can look at the geographical location of these developed countries. By the same token, there is a good chance that South Vietnam will become a developed country under the US world order.
One can think of the country that needs Bangladesh to become a developed country under the world order dominated by which country.


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

What is the point of this article ?

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

What is the point of this article ?

It's his answer to homo Bhai's comment.

 

[bluesky]

What is the point of this article ?

1) The Article talks about the importance of Bangladesh because its geographical location inhibits India's military operations in the contested Arunachal. BD is located in a very important juncture that disallows the IA troops to supply logistics and provisions in a NE war with China.

2) Siliguri Chicken Neck is too narrow and mountainous for a supply route and would become an easy PLA Airforce target.

3) So, in a China-India conflict in Arunachal, it is important that BD remains neutral. Neutrality means not allowing the trespassing of IA troops, logistics, and provisions over the land, sky, and water of Bangladesh.

4) This will cause the IA troops to fail, India loses Arunachal and the NE becomes semi-independent and China remains a friend of Bangladesh.

 

[fallstuff]

It's his answer to homo Bhai's comment.

This is not the opinion of an average Chinese person.
Its very structured and organized, a lot of thought went into it.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

This is not the opinion of an average Chinese person.
Its very structured and organized, a lot thought went into it.

To be fair, we wouldn't read up an average persons opinion... They need to understand geopolitics for their opinion to be worth anything and this person does.

 

[jian-10]

lol wtf, did your translator actual use "Chinaman"? Only racist rednecks or ignorant people still use that antiquated term.

 

[TOTUU]

lol wtf, did your translator actual use "Chinaman"? Only racist rednecks or ignorant people still use that antiquated term.

https://www.deepl.com/translator

 

[Titanium100]

1 ,China like all countries is self-centred. This is the right mentality for a country.

2，China would send troops abroad as the situation dictated; North Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and Cambodia in the 1980s China sent troops .

3，China's neighbourhood diplomacy is a top priority for China's diplomacy and if an external power or hostile country wants to change the form of China's neighbours through military means, China will respond accordingly. An example: when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, China was very weak but provided what military assistance it could . Based on China's current national strength, it is quite possible for China to send troops abroad .

4.China does not need client state ，Nowadays alliance relationship was outdated , which has exclusive, hostile attributes. The relationship between Bangladesh and China is based on the common interest of balancing India. This necessarily makes the relationship between the two countries stronger than that with ordinary countries.

5，The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , Such assistance from China was bound to happen as a result of geopolitics. This of course does not include the case of the Bengali invasion of India .LOL

6，The closer the relationship between Bangladesh and China, the more mutual benefits will accrue to both sides. There is a give and take, the US allies are the ones who give up a lot of sovereignty to the US in order to gain US support, and the same US will give a lot of benefits to its allies accordingly. We cannot see Europe, Japan and South Korea receiving all kinds of benefits without seeing the price they pay for their sovereignty .
Don't expect one party to give unilaterally; if only one party gives unilaterally, the relationship won't last. A balance of giving and giving back is what will last. The more you give, the more you will receive.

7，China is now not in alliance with any country, including with Russia and Pakistan, and this relationship is beneficial to both sides. The same goes for relations with Bangladesh, maintaining a cooperative relationship but with no alliances to the benefit of both sides.

8，China is not an authoritarian state, which is the label given by the West to China.If you really want to know about China, don't get it from the media in the West, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India and other countries. Unfortunately, the media of this world is dominated by the West. So, if you want to know about China, it is better to go to China yourself.
You can also see China through some of the Walking China videos.
For example, this channel

9，I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.

10，As for the future of the world, I believe that the West is already mentally and physically senile. With or without China, with or without a challenger, the West is bound to fall, just as China did 200 years ago, and this is the law of physics.
It is impossible for an old man to stay alive and youthful, no matter how much power and money he has .
The advantage of developing countries is that they are willing to learn from other countries. A country that is ahead for too long loses the willingness to learn from others, and arrogance is an outward expression of this mentality. Developing countries are young in spirit, willing to learn and to learn from others.

11，It is no coincidence that all the developed countries in the world are now allies or quasi-allies of the United States; it is a necessity. Under the American international order, countries that are not allies of the United States certainly cannot become developed countries.
One can look at the geographical location of these developed countries. By the same token, there is a good chance that South Vietnam will become a developed country under the US world order.
One can think of the country that needs Bangladesh to become a developed country under the world order dominated by which country.


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

Rarely do I see such wise and measured posts addressing reality on the ground

 

[fallstuff]

Rarely do I see such wise and measured posts addressing reality on the ground

It is indeed rare !

 

[Jobless Jack]

1 ,China like all countries is self-centred. This is the right mentality for a country.

2，China would send troops abroad as the situation dictated; North Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and Cambodia in the 1980s China sent troops .

3，China's neighbourhood diplomacy is a top priority for China's diplomacy and if an external power or hostile country wants to change the form of China's neighbours through military means, China will respond accordingly. An example: when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, China was very weak but provided what military assistance it could . Based on China's current national strength, it is quite possible for China to send troops abroad .

4.China does not need client state ，Nowadays alliance relationship was outdated , which has exclusive, hostile attributes. The relationship between Bangladesh and China is based on the common interest of balancing India. This necessarily makes the relationship between the two countries stronger than that with ordinary countries.

5，The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , Such assistance from China was bound to happen as a result of geopolitics. This of course does not include the case of the Bengali invasion of India .LOL

6，The closer the relationship between Bangladesh and China, the more mutual benefits will accrue to both sides. There is a give and take, the US allies are the ones who give up a lot of sovereignty to the US in order to gain US support, and the same US will give a lot of benefits to its allies accordingly. We cannot see Europe, Japan and South Korea receiving all kinds of benefits without seeing the price they pay for their sovereignty .
Don't expect one party to give unilaterally; if only one party gives unilaterally, the relationship won't last. A balance of giving and giving back is what will last. The more you give, the more you will receive.

7，China is now not in alliance with any country, including with Russia and Pakistan, and this relationship is beneficial to both sides. The same goes for relations with Bangladesh, maintaining a cooperative relationship but with no alliances to the benefit of both sides.

8，China is not an authoritarian state, which is the label given by the West to China.If you really want to know about China, don't get it from the media in the West, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India and other countries. Unfortunately, the media of this world is dominated by the West. So, if you want to know about China, it is better to go to China yourself.
You can also see China through some of the Walking China videos.
For example, this channel

9，I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.

10，As for the future of the world, I believe that the West is already mentally and physically senile. With or without China, with or without a challenger, the West is bound to fall, just as China did 200 years ago, and this is the law of physics.
It is impossible for an old man to stay alive and youthful, no matter how much power and money he has .
The advantage of developing countries is that they are willing to learn from other countries. A country that is ahead for too long loses the willingness to learn from others, and arrogance is an outward expression of this mentality. Developing countries are young in spirit, willing to learn and to learn from others.

11，It is no coincidence that all the developed countries in the world are now allies or quasi-allies of the United States; it is a necessity. Under the American international order, countries that are not allies of the United States certainly cannot become developed countries.
One can look at the geographical location of these developed countries. By the same token, there is a good chance that South Vietnam will become a developed country under the US world order.
One can think of the country that needs Bangladesh to become a developed country under the world order dominated by which country.


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1)The highlighted point will set the souls of Bhakts on fire.

2)There is not much point to be worried. Like the Chinese leaders , I hope for once BD politicians make the right decisions that is based on national interest, not their self interest.

3)Bengali Muslim's will not Invade India. Rather it is India that will impose war on the Bengali Muslims. That war has already began or rather the drums of war is already beating. Follow social media. Read the reactions of BJP supporters to the Victory of Banerjee. They are openly calling for a genocide of Muslims in W.Bengal similar to Gujrat in 2002. The war has already been declared. Its too late to say if, rather the question is when.

4) As BJP miss management increases, China will not be the only threat for India in the NE. Local rebel groups will also slowly gain influence as Indian central government influence decreases due to BJP misrule . This means BD's importance for India in the NE will increase. A BD that is pro India, Not Neutral

5) BJP is lusting for war with Bangladesh. The main reason is that the entire key for India to beating china in the NE and Holding on to the NE relies on BD allowing Indian military to use BD territory for transportation. India needs this treaty. They will achieve this either through diplomacy or war.

6)India will gain the caucus bellum by deception. As Muslims flee into Bangladesh, this will create anti India sentiments in BD( Hence this is why BJP is creating an environment of terror in WB and ASSAM for muslims, this is why they are painting Indian muslims as Bangladeshi). Then India can falsely accuse Bangladesh of being a terrorist sponsoring state and actually invade ( unless of course BD agrees to allow the usage of BD territory by Indian Military) to install a government who will allow BD territory to be used by the Indian military.

 

[Bilal9]

@waz and @The Eagle bhais - does this merit pinning up top as a sticky topic to be discussed? This might merit and solicit a lot of discussions and counter opinions...

 

[TOTUU]

The US government is always saying that China is challenging the international order and rules, what does this mean?

My understanding is this ：This is the international order and rules .

The master of this order is the United States. Then there are the various classes of vassal states.

Whether a country can become a developed country depends on the will of the United States.
It's like a company ， The owner decides who will be the manager .

There is no good life for someone the boss doesn't like, no matter how hard that person works.
Those who threaten the boss's position will be dealt a blow by the boss.

When the Soviet Union existed there were two companies competing, after the collapse of the Soviet Union there was only one company in the world.

The international order and international rules are in the service for the developed countries.

Under the current international order, neither China, nor Turkey, nor Bangladesh, nor Brazil, nor any other country can become a developed country.

The very behaviour of a country that wants to become a developed country is a challenge to the international order and rules.

The very act of trying to become a manager without the boss's permission is a challenge to the boss and the existing management system.

The boss can even use the power of speech or any other power to get ordinary employees and management to attack people the boss doesn't like.
For example,

compare these media reports.

If a country such as Bangladesh, China, Vietnam, Turkey, etc. wants to become a developed country, the process is bound to be arduous. Whichever country becomes a developed country, it means that the international order has changed.

We can look at the geographical location of these developed countries and see that they are on the front line of the war like castles. They are the fortress of their bosses on the front line of the war, protecting the safety of their bosses who are far away. They accept the leadership of the United States in all areas: military, economy, politics, media, education, internet, communication, etc.

In terms of relations with the US, Bangladesh, India, China, Turkey and Indonesia will have a much harder time becoming developed countries than Japan and South Korea, because after all, the current international order has the US as the boss, and South Korea and Japan have ceded a lot of sovereignty and even their souls to the US.

Of course there are many other countries that want to cede their sovereignty and their souls, but the US doesn't want them. They are of no value to the US, or not valuable enough.

 

[bluesky]

If a country such as Bangladesh, China, Vietnam, Turkey, etc. wants to become a developed country, the process is bound to be arduous. Whichever country becomes a developed country, it means that the international order has changed.

Please do not write the four names side by side. Bangladesh remains an LDC, Vietnam is quite a developing country, Turkey was developing but it may go behind because of its present govt policies, and China is a rapidly developing country.

 

[Jobless Jack]

1) The Article talks about the importance of Bangladesh because its geographical location inhibits India's military operations in the contested Arunachal. BD is located in a very important juncture that disallows the IA troops to supply logistics and provisions in a NE war with China.

2) Siliguri Chicken Neck is too narrow and mountainous for a supply route and would become an easy PLA Airforce target.

3) So, in a China-India conflict in Arunachal, it is important that BD remains neutral. Neutrality means not allowing the trespassing of IA troops, logistics, and provisions over the land, sky, and water of Bangladesh.

4) This will cause the IA troops to fail, India loses Arunachal and the NE becomes semi-independent and China remains a friend of Bangladesh.

In the event of a war with China . BD remaining neutral will be considered an act of war by India for the highlighted reason you mentioned. India will not allow BD neutrality because the entire Indian control over the NE can be Choked simply by BD not allowing IA to use BD territory for logistics in war. This means that India will lose the ENTIRE NE because BD neutrality. China wants BD to be neutral precisely because of the scenario you mentioned .

IF India loses NE, the central govt will be considered weak . This means the southern states already agitated by BJP, will officially come out of the closet and declare separation from the Indian union. So India military will transport over BD. By force if necessary. The entire survival of their union is dependent on this ! Expect war.

Unless the Awami league gives( has already given?) the rights of transportation to the Indian armed forces ..
This is also why India does not want BD to a) have good ties in with Pakistan and China b) have strong military.