A Chinese spring?

[The bridge]

When did I say the Chinese are super rich? Are you stupid? At least the Chinese in general are much richer than democratic India and more of them have the freedom to travel outside their country.

Having the right to live, to have education, not to hunger, to have a decent job are the most fundamental rights and freedom of human being and slavery is the exact opposition of it. And India is the exact opposition of that.

You are progressing so well and yet all your social indicators one can find from the UN and other international organisation are decades behind China.

And stop comparing the US with China. Remember the human rights' situation during the US' industrialisation was much worse than in China right now. Go educate yourself a bit of the US' history. It was not until the 1960s when the US was already the richest country for a many decades that African-Americans were granted the same rights as European-Americans.

What about the right to choose your own government???And how easily you people forget the Tiananmen Square...Strange!

 

[gpit]

Nw dont you think that here you are comparing orange with apples? Most developed and best countries in the worls are democracies incuding the country you are currently living. Isnt it!

Here is that fallacy of you guys' logic. Democracy is a result of their richness/development, not a cause of their richness/development.

In the earlier days of USA, only white male with properties could vote. Do you call that is democracy in today’s content? No! That’s discrimination!

Later the rights gradually gave to women, Africa-Americans, etc.

Why? Because political system can be healthily established only if there is matching material abundance associated with it. Democracy needs a lots of material support: legislature, judiciary, executive, monetary monitor…

Take India for example, you simply don’t have material recourses to support your judiciary system, so people are not afraid of conducting crime. People can use money to buy arrest warranty; criminal cases wait for decades to process. Do you think you can have healthy democracy?

It's a joke!

Successful Asia democracy demonstrates that, too. I mean Taiwan, Singapore, S Korea, Japan. Note that Japan and SK are occupied countries, they are not normal countries.

Your leaders/elites concealed such a truth from you for their own profitability, and you are the willing receiving end of your evil leaders because of Western brainwashing+ your elites evil intention in your foolish education.

Wake up, buddy!

 

[Amolthebest]

Here is that fallacy of you guys' logic. Democracy is a result of their richness/development, not a cause of their richness/development.

In the earlier days of USA, only white male with properties could vote. Do you call that is democracy in today’s content? No! That’s discrimination!

Later the rights gradually gave to women, Africa-Americans, etc.

Why? Because political system can be healthily established only if there is matching material abundance associated with it. Democracy needs a lots of material support: legislature, judiciary, executive, monetary monitor…

Take India for example, you simply don’t have material recourses to support your judiciary system, so people are not afraid of conducting crime. People can use money to buy arrest warranty; criminal cases wait for decades to process. Do you think you can have healthy democracy?

It's a joke!

Successful Asia democracy demonstrates that, too. I mean Taiwan, Singapore, S Korea, Japan. Note that Japan and SK are occupied countries, they are not normal countries.

Your leaders/elites concealed such a truth from you for their own profitability, and you are the willing receiving end of your evil leaders because of Western brainwashing+ your elites evil intention in your foolish education.

Wake up, buddy!

bUDDY WE never refused the problems we have. But just replace word India with China and same things are happening in China. isn't it

 

[gpit]

What about the right to choose your own government???And how easily you people forget the Tiananmen Square...Strange!

Ok, you have the right to choose yout gov. and you have chosen your nice gov. Does that prevent Golden Temple slaught?

Give us a break, and show some brain!

In fact, your wisely elected government make your India lag behind China year after year.

Compared with China, you have nothing to be pround of other than democracy and starvation.

 

[gpit]

bUDDY WE never refused the problems we have. But just replace word India with China and same things are happening in China. isn't it

Friend, as I just posted, I think let's compare who are better in achieving human's basic needs:

1. Food

2. education (literacy)

Then

3. corruption.

Convincing us with number 1 first.

Tell us you don't have children died of hunger in millions every year, I will stop criticise your system and give it a new look. In China, today, if a child is starved to death (not heard of that in recent decades) it will be a big deal.

If you can do the 2nd. I will start to praise you. Education causes human to be different from animal. It makes people to think critically: why good, why bad, what bad will come with the good, and what good will come with bad. There is no absolute good, nor absolute bad. But what is the basic needs of human, etc, etc. Many of you lack this type of thinking, turning a blind eye to many cancers in a sick euphoria of democracy.

Forget about GDP, infrastucture, etc. those are low priority in the talk.

 

[The bridge]

Ok, you have the right to choose yout gov. and you have chosen your nice gov. Does that prevent Golden Temple slaught?

Give us a break, and show some brain!

In fact, your wisely elected government make your India lag behind China year after year.



Compared with China, you have nothing to be pround of other than democracy and starvation.

The country you are in is also a flourished democracy and you being there tells a lot about your view whether you bring it out or not buddy..........

 

[manojb]

Unhappy migrant workers in China are a growing problem

China's problems with migrant workers aren't going away, as shown by a fresh outbreak of social unrest in the economic powerhouse of Guangdong. Does the 'factory of the world' need to retool its labor system?
Migrant workers in China have long been unhappy with their pay, inhumane treatment in factories and lack of equal education opportunities for their children. They are increasingly launching factory strikes and taking to the streets to protest.
Or clashing with locals as a group of migrant workers did on Tuesday in the town of Shaxi in the Guangdong province, which is known as the "world's factory floor."
Migration from the countryside has provided the cheap labor that has fueled China's economic boom. Today, more than half of the 14 million residents in Guangzhou are now migrants. And their numbers are swelling in other cities, too.
World's largest voluntary migration
The voluntary migration of workers in China - said to be the largest in human history - has not only created huge housing, healthcare and education obstacles for the big cities that have attracted them; it has also helped raise the expectations of those workers and their children who come from towns and villages where options are few.

There has been an increase in unrest
Shanghai's migrant population, for instance, has soared from 9 million in 2000 to 23 million people in 2010. Migrants now account for nearly 60 percent of the city's 7.5 million young people between the ages of 20 to 35. And they want to live more comfortable and less monotonous lives than their parents - going shopping and to concerts rather than just digging fields.
According to a survey of young textile workers in five Chinese provinces conducted by the Centre for Child-Rights and Corporate Social Responsibility, nearly half admitted their despair over the monotony of their work and career prospects, with few opportunities to learn new skills in their often repetitively physical jobs.
But young Chinese migrants share a problem with their rurally registered parents: the hukou, a household registration system designed to manage population movements.
Restrictive Chinese law
Under Chinese law, everyone must be registered in their home town or village to be entitled to education, housing and welfare.


For most migrant workers who come from rural areas, that's a huge problem; they must pay more for these services than locals but are prohibited from changing their rural hukou to an urban one
Also factories that are meant to help workers without local hukou registration often fail to purchase proper employee insurance - to keep their operating costs down.
The hukou system shows no signs of disappearing. That, together with rising living costs, tough working conditions, relatively low pay and general social discrimination, is a recipe for social conflict, admits Manyan Ng, a director with the International Society for Human Rights (ISHR).
Greater unrest
"Migrant worker unrest is a huge issue that could lead to greater unrest across all of China," Ng told DW. "The leadership of China is sitting on a volcano."

City life is attracting millions of Chinese
Ng argues that one of the reasons why the issue has yet to engulf China is that the various migrant worker demonstrations and clashes with the locals remain isolated and are "not connected." If the various movements should link, he said, they could become a powerful force.
Although Ng doubts the possibility of that happening easily under current Chinese leadership and its heavy "police-state hand," he points to a widening cleft between hard-liners and soft-liners in Beijing that could bring change down the road.
"The hard-liners will remain tough on the migrant issue but the soft-liners are very different," he said. "They're more pragmatic and appear more willing to reach out to the poorer rural regions by investing in infrastructure there. That's a start."

 

[Amolthebest]

Friend, as I just posted, I think let's compare who are better in achieving human's basic needs:

1. Food

2. education (literacy)

Then

3. corruption.

Convincing us with number 1 first.

Tell us you don't have children died of hunger in millions every year, I will stop criticise your system and give it a new look. In China, today, if a child is starved to death (not heard of that in recent decades) it will be a big deal.

If you can do the 2nd. I will start to praise you. Education causes human to be different from animal. It makes people to think critically: why good, why bad, what bad will come with the good, and what good will come with bad. There is no absolute good, nor absolute bad. But what is the basic needs of human, etc, etc. Many of you lack this type of thinking, turning a blind eye to many cancers in a sick euphoria of democracy.

Forget about GDP, infrastucture, etc. those are low priority in the talk.

Irony it is. You are living in oldest democracy in the world. Isnt it

 

[The bridge]

Unhappy migrant workers in China are a growing problem

China's problems with migrant workers aren't going away, as shown by a fresh outbreak of social unrest in the economic powerhouse of Guangdong. Does the 'factory of the world' need to retool its labor system?
Migrant workers in China have long been unhappy with their pay, inhumane treatment in factories and lack of equal education opportunities for their children. They are increasingly launching factory strikes and taking to the streets to protest.
Or clashing with locals as a group of migrant workers did on Tuesday in the town of Shaxi in the Guangdong province, which is known as the "world's factory floor."
Migration from the countryside has provided the cheap labor that has fueled China's economic boom. Today, more than half of the 14 million residents in Guangzhou are now migrants. And their numbers are swelling in other cities, too.
World's largest voluntary migration
The voluntary migration of workers in China - said to be the largest in human history - has not only created huge housing, healthcare and education obstacles for the big cities that have attracted them; it has also helped raise the expectations of those workers and their children who come from towns and villages where options are few.

There has been an increase in unrest
Shanghai's migrant population, for instance, has soared from 9 million in 2000 to 23 million people in 2010. Migrants now account for nearly 60 percent of the city's 7.5 million young people between the ages of 20 to 35. And they want to live more comfortable and less monotonous lives than their parents - going shopping and to concerts rather than just digging fields.
According to a survey of young textile workers in five Chinese provinces conducted by the Centre for Child-Rights and Corporate Social Responsibility, nearly half admitted their despair over the monotony of their work and career prospects, with few opportunities to learn new skills in their often repetitively physical jobs.
But young Chinese migrants share a problem with their rurally registered parents: the hukou, a household registration system designed to manage population movements.
Restrictive Chinese law
Under Chinese law, everyone must be registered in their home town or village to be entitled to education, housing and welfare.


For most migrant workers who come from rural areas, that's a huge problem; they must pay more for these services than locals but are prohibited from changing their rural hukou to an urban one
Also factories that are meant to help workers without local hukou registration often fail to purchase proper employee insurance - to keep their operating costs down.
The hukou system shows no signs of disappearing. That, together with rising living costs, tough working conditions, relatively low pay and general social discrimination, is a recipe for social conflict, admits Manyan Ng, a director with the International Society for Human Rights (ISHR).
Greater unrest
"Migrant worker unrest is a huge issue that could lead to greater unrest across all of China," Ng told DW. "The leadership of China is sitting on a volcano."

City life is attracting millions of Chinese
Ng argues that one of the reasons why the issue has yet to engulf China is that the various migrant worker demonstrations and clashes with the locals remain isolated and are "not connected." If the various movements should link, he said, they could become a powerful force.
Although Ng doubts the possibility of that happening easily under current Chinese leadership and its heavy "police-state hand," he points to a widening cleft between hard-liners and soft-liners in Beijing that could bring change down the road.
"The hard-liners will remain tough on the migrant issue but the soft-liners are very different," he said. "They're more pragmatic and appear more willing to reach out to the poorer rural regions by investing in infrastructure there. That's a start."

Chinese spring or Chinese uprising?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

What about the right to choose your own government???And how easily you people forget the Tiananmen Square...Strange!

See Maslow's pyramide! None of the developed countries had full democracy until they became fully developed. In the US it was the 1960s, in most of Europe it was either after WWII or much later (Spain, Portugal and yes, Switzerland as well).

 

[conworldus]

See Maslow's pyramide! None of the developed countries had full democracy until they became fully developed. In the US it was the 1960s, in most of Europe it was either after WWII or much later (Spain, Portugal and yes, Switzerland as well).

The US, a major benefactor of WWII, also ran a pseudo democracy (segregation, minorities lacked voting rights, women lack voting rights) until the 1960s. Singapore till today still doesn't have a full democracy.

What about the right to choose your own government???And how easily you people forget the Tiananmen Square...Strange!

The Tiananmen square incident happened 23 years, or nearly a quarter of a century ago. It is a growing pain that China had to experience, and we have moved on and prospered. Jealous?

 

[The bridge]

See Maslow's pyramide! None of the developed countries had full democracy until they became fully developed. In the US it was the 1960s, in most of Europe it was either after WWII or much later (Spain, Portugal and yes, Switzerland as well).

Dear friend it is the development of democracy. Gradually only you come to know , what's good for the country and so they adopted the system.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Dear friend it is the development of democracy. Gradually only you come to know , what's good for the country and so they adopted the system.

The development of our political and social system were done in many, many stages with a lot of backlashes and bloodshed. The most horrible example was Hitler Germany, others like Franco in Spain, and the many dictators in Portugal after the failure of the first republic were as horrible.

I have yet to witness a developing country that managed to become developed with a full democratic system. India is obviously not one of them.

 

[asianamerican]

How do you know when you are on the right path? When you enemies hate your guts and keep giving you advice on what path to take.

Indian lackeys are laughable at their so called 'democracy'. Democracy has no more meaning as it has been abused by the West constant war mongering.

Democracy rest on a foundation of educated and well fed public. India has neither. Indian should look at their democracy and compare that to China's model and see who is right. The proof is in the pudding.

Every single country rise to the top through a state led model. Only after the public is well fed and educated, did 'democracy' and 'civic society' emerge.

What the hell do you think would happened if China was to go to Soviet Model? State own companies (electricity, oil, mining) would be robbed by the corrupt. Capital inflow from the West to these corrupt lackey sky rocket, giving control of chinese institution to Westerner. Chinese domestic media wouldn't be able to compete with Western media conglomerate, and the voice of Chinese people would be censor by Westerners.

India can continue with their so-called democracy. China will continue on her own path.

 

[IndoCarib]

How do you know when you are on the right path? When you enemies hate your guts and keep giving you advice on what path to take.

Indian lackeys are laughable at their so called 'democracy'. Democracy has no more meaning as it has been abused by the West constant war mongering.

Democracy rest on a foundation of educated and well fed public. India has neither. Indian should look at their democracy and compare that to China's model and see who is right. The proof is in the pudding.

Every single country rise to the top through a state led model. Only after the public is well fed and educated, did 'democracy' and 'civic society' emerge.

What the hell do you think would happened if China was to go to Soviet Model? State own companies (electricity, oil, mining) would be robbed by the corrupt. Capital inflow from the West to these corrupt lackey sky rocket, giving control of chinese institution to Westerner. Chinese domestic media wouldn't be able to compete with Western media conglomerate, and the voice of Chinese people would be censor by Westerners.

India can continue with their so-called democracy. China will continue on her own path.

Says a guy who flaunts both flags of democratic country. If you were living in china and said such things against China, you would be in a dungeon ! That is democracy for you !