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Götterdämmerung;3121603 said:
Decent life like to never have to suffer hunger, don't have to take a dump at the roadside, getting a decent education and knowing that the future of your child is pretty secure and not dying due to malnutrition and grow up illiterate without any hope to improve life.



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who tells u only people living in subjugation giving up all their rights to freedom, are able to fulfill these needs? so if u r free u become unable to fulfill the above needs. is this what the chinese people are. incapable to serve themselves and needing a master all the time.

so u think Animals in Zoos who are fed daily are better off then the Animals in the large Forests? :lol:
 
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Götterdämmerung;3121603 said:
Decent life like to never have to suffer hunger, don't have to take a dump at the roadside, getting a decent education and knowing that the future of your child is pretty secure and not dying due to malnutrition and grow up illiterate without any hope to improve life.



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Well. Allow me summarize this argument between some Indians and Chinese.

The People of China has chosen Food, Money, and Progress over the right to choose their own leaders.

The People of India has chose the right to choose their own leaders over Money and Progress.

I say, To each their own.

You guys continue to to enjoy your right to freely choose your leaders and I'll keep my Money, Progress, and Education.

Please don't try to decide for the other side or call the other side names for choosing differently, this is really a personal choice.
 
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A very interesting developments are coming around Hongkong....


15 years after China takeover, Hong Kong uneasy
Posted: Jun 29, 2012 7:24 AM Updated: Jun 29, 2012 1:54 PM


By KELVIN CHAN
Associated Press

HONG KONG (AP) - For thousands of Hong Kongers, this weekend's 15th anniversary of China's takeover of the semiautonomous territory isn't a moment to celebrate but a chance to air grievances from corruption scandals to human rights to a widening gap between rich and poor.

Chinese President Hu Jintao arrived here on Friday to install Hong Kong's new but already unpopular leader, whose swearing-in on Sunday's anniversary is expected to draw large-scale protests. Hu, surrounded by tight security, is unlikely to see them.

China has kept its promise to retain the freewheeling capitalist ways of the former British colony, but residents have grown increasingly uneasy about being ruled by the country's authoritarian leaders. Only 1,200 elites among Hong Kong's 7 million residents had the right to vote for their chief executive.

Many believe Beijing heavily influenced Leung Chun-ying's election, adding urgency to Hong Kongers' calls for full democracy. Beijing has pledged that Hong Kong could elect its own leader in 2017 and all legislators by 2020 at the earliest, but no road map has been laid out.

Demonstrators joining Sunday's annual pro-democracy march will also air grievances over scandals surrounding business leaders and government officials and recent cases of harsh treatment of dissidents on the mainland. Hong Kong's mini-constitution guarantees until 2047 a high degree of autonomy and Western-style civil liberties unseen on mainland China, including freedom of speech.

Thousands took to the streets earlier this month to demand a full investigation into the death of labor activist Li Wangyang, who was released last year after serving 20 years in prison. They doubt the official explanation that he hanged himself in mainland China, saying years of beatings and mistreatment had taken such a toll on his body that he would not have been able to kill himself that way.

There are several other irritants in the relationship. Hong Kongers are annoyed by an influx of wealthy mainland visitors shopping at luxury goods outlets, which has helped push up rents and drive out local businesses. Some are outraged by mainland Chinese women who come to Hong Kong to give birth, seeking prized Hong Kong residency for their children and a way around the mainland's one-child policy. Even little things like ads with simplified Chinese characters used on the mainland, rather than the complex ones used in Hong Kong, have drawn residents' ire.

While closer integration with the world's second-biggest economy has helped Hong Kong retain its status as a global financial hub, many residents feel marginalized.

"People are generally unhappy about the widening gap between the rich and the poor, and they are unhappy that the government can't do much about it," said Joseph Cheng, a political science professor at City University of Hong Kong. "They are critical about the collusion between government and big business and they are worried about the declining international economic competitiveness of the territory."

Hu's visit coincides with a raft of measures aimed at boosting the city's economy that could help smooth over tensions. They include plans to launch a test zone in Shenzhen, across the border from Hong Kong, to experiment with looser restrictions on the yuan, China's tightly controlled currency.

But recent surveys highlight growing estrangement. In a poll this month by Hong Kong University researchers, 37 percent of Hong Kongers said they distrust Beijing, the highest since the handover on July 1, 1997.

Separately, the researchers found that the number of people identifying themselves as Chinese citizens is near a 13-year low. Far more call themselves Hong Kong citizens.

Hu later paid a visit to Hong Kong's People's Liberation Army Garrison in a rare show of China's military might broadcast live on local TV. If the Chinese president's inspection of ranks of soldiers, standing in front of helicopters and armored personnel carriers, is seen as an attempt to scare Hong Kongers away from Sunday's protest, it actually might end up galvanizing them.

Hong Kong takes pride in its reputation for being corruption-free and adhering to the rule of law, but those ideals have been put to the test by a series of scandals involving Leung, his predecessor and others.

Leung's troubles erupted this week after reports that his upscale home in an exclusive neighborhood on Victoria Peak had six illegal structures, including a small basement. The controversy drew comparisons with a similar scandal that derailed the campaign of Leung's rival for chief executive. Leading lawmakers and pundits have called the 57-year-old self-made millionaire a liar and demanded that he step down even before he takes office.

Leung apologized, saying he was "disappointed in myself." The structures were already there when he bought the house 12 years ago, he said, but local newspaper reports ran aerial photos to cast doubts on those claims.

Rumors that Leung is a secret member of the Chinese Communist Party, outlawed in Hong Kong during British rule, have added to Leung's woes. He has denied the allegation.

Leung's support rating has tumbled to 51.3 percent, according to another Hong Kong University poll this week. That makes him much less popular than the city's first two post-colonial leaders were when they took office, and means he'll have a tougher job carrying out his reform policies.

Leung has vowed to lower inequality with measures including more affordable housing, though he hasn't been as clear on plans to introduce full democracy.

"He's not starting his term under the best auspices, so it's going to be hard for him," said Jean-Pierre Cabestan, a China scholar at Hong Kong Baptist University. "He will have to deliver if he wants to improve his rating in the opinion polls and be perceived as a real leader, but even before taking office he's in real difficulties, which is unprecedented."

15 years after China takeover, Hong Kong uneasy

Seems like many things will unfold in coming days.
 
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The People of China has chosen Food, Money, and Progress over the right to choose their own leaders.

people of China have choosen nothing. If you are so sure of people of China choosing ccp. then lets have elections and we will see ccp winning everytime. why use riot force and tanks on young students. :lol: deal what say? lets CHINA PPL choose CCP everytime in ELECTION for decades. then I will say ppl of China choose. :lol:

and India is also progressing towards propserity without any of your subjugation type of life. So the claim of ccp that subjugation and slavery === prosperity is ridiculous.
 
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Well. Allow me summarize this argument between some Indians and Chinese.

The People of China has chosen Food, Money, and Progress over the right to choose their own leaders.

The People of India has chose the right to choose their own leaders over Money and Progress.

I say, To each their own.

You guys continue to to enjoy your right to freely choose your leaders and I'll keep my Money, Progress, and Education.

Please don't try to decide for the other side or call the other side names for choosing differently, this is really a personal choice.

Brother there is huge difference between Choice & Compulsion.

Ours is choice.

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Yours is Compulsion.

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As the Chinese economy expanded following Deng Xiaoping's 1978 reforms, tens of millions of rural Chinese who have moved to the cities[160] find themselves treated as second-class citizens by China's hukou household registration system, which controls access to state benefits.[161] Property rights are often poorly protected, and eminent domain land seizures have had a disproportionate effect on poorer peasants.[160] In 2003, the average Chinese farmer paid three times more taxes than the average urban dweller, despite having one-sixth of the annual income.[161] However, a number of rural taxes have since been reduced or abolished, and additional social services provided to rural dwellers.[162][163][164]


The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 were suppressed with military force.
Censorship of political speech and information, most notably on the Internet,[165] is openly and routinely used in China to silence criticism of the government and the ruling Communist Party.[166][167] In 2005, Reporters Without Borders ranked China 159th out of 167 states in its Annual World Press Freedom Index, indicating a very low level of perceived press freedom.[168] The government has suppressed demonstrations by organizations that it considers a potential threat to "social stability", as was the case with the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. The Communist Party has had mixed success in controlling information: a powerful and pervasive media control system faces equally strong market forces, an increasingly educated citizenry, and technological and cultural changes that are making China more open to the wider world, especially on environmental issues.[169][170] However, attempts are still made by the Chinese government to control public access to outside information, with online searches for politically sensitive material being blocked by the so-called Great Firewall.[171] Internet censorship in China is amongst the most stringent in the world.[172] The government has also made efforts to stifle outside criticism by restricting foreign embassy communications.[173]
A number of foreign governments and NGOs routinely criticize China's human rights record, alleging widespread civil rights violations, including systematic use of lengthy detention without trial, forced confessions, torture, mistreatment of prisoners, and restrictions of freedom of speech, assembly, association, religion, the press, and labor rights.[111] China executes more people than any other country, accounting for 72% of the world's total in 2009.[174] This high execution rate is partly due to the fact that numerous white-collar crimes, such as fraud, are punishable by death in China. However, in the early 2010s, China began restricting the application of capital punishment for some such crimes.[175] A report co-authored by former Canadian MP David Kilgour and human rights lawyer David Matas concludes that vital organs were forcibly removed from prisoners of conscience by the Chinese government and sold to foreigners. The report also states that there are a large number of unreported executions, in China which take place in hospitals, detention centres and "people's courts".[174]
SOURCE WIKI

What progress for people you are talking about??????? Your track record for every thing 'human' had been pathetic. The forced happiness and progress is just an illusion and a common man desperately looking for a change in your system. Admit it!!!
 
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My Quote:
The People of China has chosen Food, Money, and Progress over the right to choose their own leaders.

Your Answer:
people of China have choosen nothing. If you are so sure of people of China choosing ccp. then

See how you fail reading comprehension? I said that Chinese people DID NOT choose their leadership, then you come around and refute me with the exact statement that I made.

You're a perfect example of how the Indian education system failed its people. Quite sad, unfortunately.
 
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Yeah, amazingly it is also free of charge and come with much empty stomach as an extra bonus! LOLOL.

In case you didn't know... Laughing at other people's misfortunes and gloating over poor people is also bad form. It was not so long ago that China was in a similar position.
 
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That's true. Indians have a much higher tolerance for injustice than we do. Over here, any little thing sparks immense outrage, but in India, the same things would be unimportant. India has the 2nd highest fatalities per passenger-km in the world for railways, yet it does nothing to change, and no one is outraged, but we have the lowest, and people still complain every day.

Chinesedefence???just surprised,you know, we don't care.
 
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Yeah, amazingly it is also free of charge and come with much empty stomach as an extra bonus! LOLOL.

Pity on you people.... you can never understand what a real freedom means though some of you fought for it at Tiananmen Square in 1989. Not surprised by such comments from people who are suppressed.
 
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Pity on you people.... you can never understand what a real freedom means though some of you fought for it at Tiananmen Square in 1989. Not surprised by such comments from people who are suppressed.

I say screw the 'real freedom' lovers because they are very selective about real freedom!
 
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