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:lol: progress look for its meaning in dictionary... U r 20 folds below the US, which is a DEMOCRACY. So u r also behind if u have to look like that. The point is U CAN PROGRESS with full democratic rights also. India is also behind US but progressing, we will also have the things u r saying in due time. COZ WE ARE PROGRESSING. and UR ALSO PROGRESSING.

But we are progressing and enjoying all the freedom... but poor chiense have no freedom and are always told by ccp that u will only be successful if u obey my orders...and keep ur mouth shut...and no mental peace and freedom for common chinese... no difference then a animal fed in a cage..

we have our own set of progressive freedom so just chill out.

you cant measure your country's achievement against us! your last resort of argument for a indian democrcracy over China is cr@p! indian's so called democracy is disgusting!
 
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no sh@T we chinese dont have thinking capabilities and yet we are light years ahead of india, may be time to think your thinking capabilities is full of cr@P no?



Basic rights is no need to eat mud like india. no early infant death like india

No need to get angry. One good thing is you accepted that Chinese citizens's dont have any basic rights. And about poverty, it does exist in China, curtsy iron curtains and no free media you guys just dont know about it. your government dont think that you are eligible for free environment in the country. Sad.
 
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No mate if our country is as backward as india that will hurt us alot apart from that nothing will

By hullicinating, thats how the indians get rid of tortment of hungers and lack of dignities. LOLOL

No need to get angry. One good thing is you accepted that Chinese citizens's dont have any basic rights. And about poverty, it does exist in China, curtsy iron curtains and no free media you guys just dont know about it. your government dont think that you are eligible for free environment in the country. Sad.

Basic rights to **** in open field and take advantage of your poors?
 
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No need to get angry. One good thing is you accepted that Chinese citizens's dont have any basic rights. And about poverty, it does exist in China, curtsy iron curtains and no free media you guys just dont know about it. your government dont think that you are eligible for free environment in the country. Sad.

you are stupid and ignorant. Premier Wen publicly acknowledged we have about 0.1-0.15 billion folks living under poverty line and we raised the bar of defining poverty line in China so we can provide assistance to more people while your government lowered the bar for an enhanced delusion of a better statistic of combating poverty in india
 
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By hullicinating, thats how the indians get rid of tortment of hungers and lack of dignities. LOLOL



Basic rights to **** in open field and take advantage of your poors?

And you think it's not happening in China?I feel sorry for you.

you are stupid and ignorant. Premier Wen publicly acknowledged we have about 0.1-0.15 billion folks living under poverty line and we raised the bar of defining poverty line in China so we can provide assistant to more people while your government lowered the bar for an enhanced delusion of a better statistics of combating poverty in india

I was just thinking that howcome you not used the idiot word yet? In return I can also use the same word but then I will be stoop to your levels which is nt good thing. The problem is due to communist sencorship and dictatorship China has lost the ability to debate and have two way communications. But I dont blame you. You are just the victim of the not so free of Communist regime.:toast_sign:
 
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And you think it's not happening in China?I feel sorry for you.



I was just thinking that howcome you not used the idiot word yet? In return I can also use the same word but then I will be stoop to your levels which is nt good thing. The problem is due to communist sencorship and dictatorship China has lost the ability to debate and have two way communications. But I dont blame you. You are just the victim of the not so free of Communist regime.:toast_sign:

you at last know how good your intelligence is after my repeated reminders.

we are looking down upon your half sunken people in the mud all the time! indians way of lives and their democratic system are outstanding negative examples to all the people in the rest or world
 
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if the indian government allows millions of its people to shine their bvtts in open air daily what do you expect from these people! shame to them is a compliment!

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China’s Economy – What’s in a measure of poverty anyway?

29 Wednesday Feb 2012

Posted by shardsofchina in China, Theme: The Economy


While there’s no doubt that China’s economic rise has improved the lives of a billion people, who aren’t going to jump up and down and shake the world for it (it’s a myth anyway – they wouldn’t have the slightest effect on the passage of the earth). There are still an awful lot of people with very little money available to them here in China.

Behind the smiles, poverty is only too real an issue for China's rural poor

In fact according to estimates from the United Nations there are around 300 million people living below the internationally defined line of absolute poverty. That’s $1.25 a day to you and me and works out at just over $450 a year.

The Chinese government disagrees and it uses a different measure to calculate absolute poverty in China. It says that people need a minimum salary of 1,200 RMB a year to live on, and that’s only $190 a year. And they say there are “only” 200 million people surviving on this amount in the country.

Either way you look at it; there are a lot of people in China surviving on very little money. It’s roughly equivalent to every single person in the United States living on less than $500 a year. So if you think money’s tight for you, you might give a moment of thanks that you aren’t living in rural China.

Living conditions can be optimistically described as "basic" if you live on less than $500 a year

But which measure is fairest for calculating real poverty? There’s no simple answer to this question, mainly because it comes down to speculation about the costs of living that people face and what other resources they can access instead of (or as well as) actual money.

There’s no doubt that if you have no occupation then the Chinese government number would be hopelessly optimistic, someone in Niger (which is experiencing famine and drought at the moment) with less than $1.25 a day would be facing very bleak prospects in the short-term and quite possibly would die of starvation if an aid agency wasn’t able to intervene.

But the situation in China is different in most parts of the country, from Niger, in that these very poor people are farmers. And farmers can eat the food they grow. The UN figure allows that the $1.25 includes the necessary income to buy food, as the Chinese farmer can eat the food he or she grows – they may well not need as much money to meet their essential needs.

It’s fair to say that the quality of life of someone who makes 100 RMB a month (roughly $16/17) isn’t going to be the greatest. And for these people it ensures a cycle of poverty that is almost impossible to escape – there’s no free education in China, if you want your child to go to school – you have to pay for it. (This is changing and at least one province has now offered free basic schooling to its hukou holding citizens).

Without education the chances of you breaking away from your farming lifestyle are almost zero, particularly as China already has a surplus of bright young things with degrees and no jobs to go to. It’s even difficult to secure a basic factory working position because illiteracy will block you from most employers hiring criteria.

Now there are people out there that believe if you just “work hard enough” (they never actually specify how hard this should be) you can make a better life and even become rich. These people really don’t know what they’re talking about. Social mobility comes at a price and if you can’t even pay the most basic of entry fees – that of education, you simply cannot advance.
 
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People go on about "democracy" as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. But IMO it is a flawed ideology just like all other ideologies. It's not a bad system inherently however. The reason many Indian posters bring it up is that it is the only thing they can use to "trump" China with although if you go to Indian commentary sites many of the posts are about how 'Indian democracy' is standing in the way of development and how authoritarianism ought to be given a go. Now I may be wrong but China appears to me as a far more stable, prosperous and united country than India. However, India has done a relatively good job of keeping all its different ethnic groups in a pseudo-federal set up (despite all the separatist groups) and having a multi-party system of government where people get to choose their representatives. Also - at least in the media - India does appear to be far less aggressive on its various stances on issues.
 
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People go on about "democracy" as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. But IMO it is a flawed ideology just like all other ideologies. It's not a bad system inherently however. The reason many Indian posters bring it up is that it is the only thing they can use to "trump" China with although if you go to Indian commentary sites many of the posts are about how 'Indian democracy' is standing in the way of development and how authoritarianism ought to be given a go. Now I may be wrong but China appears to me as a far more stable, prosperous and united country than India. However, India has done a relatively good job of keeping all its different ethnic groups in a pseudo-federal set up (despite all the separatist groups) and having a multi-party system of government where people get to choose their representatives. Also - at least in the media - India does appear to be far less aggressive on its various stances on issues.

I think the so-called "democracy" should only be considered relative, but not absolute.

People could also have the right to become criminal such as killer/rapist/robber, should people obtain the 100% freedom and democracy to become such things?
 
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Wukan was nothing but a joke, now more and more of people have witnessed the chaos of a democrazy system.

He said experiments like Wukan. Please improve your comprehensive skills.And dont talk about democracy. Do you have iota of experience of democracy as Chinese national? And if Democracy is chaotic why are you staying in Canada, a democratic nation. Please explain.All the prosperous and developed countries are diplomatic.Please get some lease of information.
 
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Full Democracy for china is unlikely however a sort of authoritarian democracy like Russia and a good leader like putin could work for China.
 
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