A Chinese company plans to punish Female workers for being pregnant

[Kyle Sun]

Well, you may have mistaken the Taiwanese businessmen as the Chinese mainlanders.

The Taiwanese businessmen in general are more stingy than their mainland counterpart.

For example, Foxconn has some notorious scandals of abusing the right of its workers.

Korean and TW are the worst !
Japan and Western companies are much better than Korean and TW . Local companies are better than Korean and TW but far from Western companies.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

So how does this explains what this business did ?

Admit it, buddy, you approve of what this business is trying to do. This has nothing to do with gender equality as you guys tried to argue. This is about control. This business saw how successful the Chinese government got with the one-child family law and instead of using the police, the business uses employment to enforce its rules for employees.

lol my argument is precisely the opposite - what this business does is disgusting because they cannot expect to demand the same obedience from employees as a government can from its citizens.

 

[Aepsilons]

Korean and TW are the worst !
Japan and Western companies are much better than Korean and TW . Local companies are better than Korean and TW but far from Western companies.

Japanese companies area also exceedingly meritocracy based , the possibilities for upward mobility in an organization is there, and is based on one's performance (personnel evaluations and productivity reports). This is ideal, imho, because those who are proven abilities are granted promotion. Plus the instance of nepotism is practically non-existent in Japanese organizations , or at least kept in control.

For example, the current President and CEO of Toyota Motor Corp, Toyoda Akio, started off his career in Toyota Motor Corp from the bottom (tho he is directly related to the Toyoda Sakichi, the founder) and was a production worker when he entered the company in 1984 after college. He rose up the ranks through shear dedication and work and in 2000 became part of the Board of Directors. He became President & CEO not because of titular lineage, but through his managerial skills , in fact, he was given the post after a tenuous competition with Watanabe Katsuaki.

There is plenty of room for upward mobility in Japanese corporations. And critical to this is the active implementation of Kaizen, which only helps employee development processes.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Korean and TW are the worst !
Japan and Western companies are much better than Korean and TW . Local companies are better than Korean and TW but far from Western companies.

The SOE is good, but the POE sucks so bad.

The Japanese companies are also stingy.

 

[gambit]

lol my argument is precisely the opposite - what this business does is disgusting because they cannot expect to demand the same obedience from employees as a government can from its citizens.

You cannot say that this is 'disgusting'...

You and your fellow Chinese on this forum have always posited that in the Chinese psyche, the individual will always submit to the greater good. This business is not saying women cannot start a family, just do not start a family without consent from the boss. Unplanned pregnancies can cut into the bottom line, affecting everyone's paycheck, from regular salaries to bonuses, if this business believes in profit sharing. Therefore, it is the Chinese way to submit to the collective once the explanations are presented. Finally, the women who do not agree to the plan can always leave.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You cannot say that this is 'disgusting'...

You and your fellow Chinese on this forum have always posited that in the Chinese psyche, the individual will always submit to the greater good. This business is not saying women cannot start a family, just do not start a family without consent from the boss. Unplanned pregnancies can cut into the bottom line, affecting everyone's paycheck, from regular salaries to bonuses, if this business believes in profit sharing. Therefore, it is the Chinese way to submit to the collective once the explanations are presented. Finally, the women who do not agree to the plan can always leave.

That's not the greater good though. It is for the profit of the business. Like I've said before, the business should not command loyalty or obligation the way government does, and historically, has never done so.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Japanese companies are also stingy.

And you speak out of your great experience in working for Japanese corporations.

Yea, Right.

 

[gambit]

That's not the greater good though. It is for the profit of the business. Like I've said before, the business should not command loyalty or obligation the way government does, and historically, has never done so.

The profit is the greater good.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The profit is the greater good.

I think you do not make the distinction between a public and private goods, which is wierd, since in the western Roman tradition, there is also a very clear distinction between public and private.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Korean and TW are the worst !
Japan and Western companies are much better than Korean and TW . Local companies are better than Korean and TW but far from Western companies.

You are wrong, Japanese companies are never better than Korean and TW. Taiwanese companies absolutely inherit the management culture of Japanese companies.
Most foreign companies are uncompetitive except some top multi-national companies which never include Japanese, Korea and Taiwanese.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And you speak out of your great experience in working for Japanese corporations.

Yea, Right.

It is true for the Chinese workers.

The Japanese companies treat the US workers fairly, but always exploit the Chinese workers badly.

Also, the Japanese cars have some notorious reputation in China, because the Japanese carmakers always sell the cheap models in China.

In the North America, it is absolutely the opposite, all the Japanese cars are good reliable models.

You can see that the Japanese car sale keeps losing its ground to the American/German carmakers in China's market, it is not just the nationalism feeling, there are many other reasons behind it.

It is a fact, the Japanese carmakers always treat China's consumer market like crap.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

It is true for the Chinese workers.

The Japanese companies treat the US workers fairly, but always exploit the Chinese workers badly.

Also, the Japanese cars have some notorious reputation in China, because the Japanese carmakers always sell the cheap models in China.

In the North America, it is absolutely the opposite, all the Japanese cars are good reliable models.

You can see that the Japanese car sale keeps losing its ground to the American/German carmakers in China's market, it is not just the nationalism feeling, there are many other reasons behind it.

It is a fact, the Japanese carmakers always treat China's consumer market like crap.

Most Japanese cars are as fragile as the soda cans.
In my opion, the most Japanese carmakers never can survive out of next ten years in mainland, just like their cellphonemakers in self-admiration.

 

[bsruzm]

It is a fact, the Japanese carmakers always treat China's consumer market like crap.

Indeed, it is.

 

[gambit]

I think you do not make the distinction between a public and private goods, which is wierd, since in the western Roman tradition, there is also a very clear distinction between public and private.

I can and do make those distinction. Am just going by how the Chinese members on this forum thinks -- that a Chinese is supposed to subjugate the self for the larger group. So for this business, looks like they take after the Chinese government in believing their employees are subjects.

 

[powastick]

And you speak out of your great experience in working for Japanese corporations.

Yea, Right.

High workload, and low bonuses.