A Bullet Train Alongside Motorway From Peshawar to Karachi? What is Javed Afridi up to?

[jupiter2007]

I think Javed afridi should gather investors and built a new modern city in merged areas of FATA. That would not just uplift those areas but also change the perception of those areas along giving jobs to millions.

Just imagine a city of 3+ million, atleast 600-700 km away from Pak-India border.

We are in need of modern cities with proper planning. building a new modern city on the border of KPK and Punjab will be also be good idea and good for Business.

 

[Cliftonite]

PTI is turning out to be such a joke.

 

[peagle]

Is this a serious thread ?
The total foreign exchange reserves of Pakistan, based all on borrowing is just 20 b usd or less.
Since the major cost of the bullet train will be for imports , how does Pakistan propose to pay for this pipedream ?
At the moment Pakistan has ZERO kms of electrified inter city trains. What experience do Pakistanis have to run a regular speed electric train ?
The new orange line metro given by Mr Nawaz Sharif is the only train which is powered electrically.
One solution will be the Chinese running the train for a few decades , if money is arranged.
I believe the Chinese laughed at your minister the last time he proposed a bullet train. Whats changed ?

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

 

[Syed1.]

PTI is turning out to be such a joke.

This guy has no affiliation with PTI.

 

[The Accountant]

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

We had electric train not bullet train. It was normal train but engine used electric power rather diesel. However speed was same as of diesel engine and comfort level was same as tracks were same

 

[The Accountant]

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

We had electric train not bullet train. It was normal train but engine used electric power rather diesel. However speed was same as of diesel engine and comfort level was same as tracks were same

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

We had electric train not bullet train. It was normal train but engine used electric power rather diesel. However speed was same as of diesel engine and comfort level was same as tracks were same

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

We had electric train not bullet train. It was normal train but engine used electric power rather diesel. However speed was same as of diesel engine and comfort level was same as tracks were same

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

We had electric train not bullet train. It was normal train but engine used electric power rather diesel. However speed was same as of diesel engine and comfort level was same as tracks were same.

 

[Dark1]

Actually we did have for couple of decades I think, if I remember correctly, it was from Lahore going south somewhere near Multan. But, the public sector babus messed it up, one side was electrified but the other side wasn't lol, I honestly do not fully remember why, but it was very poorly planned, but it did run for a long time. In the end, I think they had enough and it was closed down. So, technically don't have one right now, it was there.

I agree, there fat chance of this going anywhere right now, but remember, no matter how poor Pakistan may be, it is a large country, with size you automatically gain leverage and need for projects that would not be feasible when you are poor and small. That is basically India's story, it was and still is poor, only due to its size, it has been able to develop. It only requires few years of right policies, and few more years to stay on the path of economic growth to turn things around.

Historically, Pakistan was the richest large country in South Asia, on a per capita income basis, despite starting out dirt poor. India only retook the lead around 20 years ago and Bangladesh couple of years ago. Things are changing extremely quickly already, with terrorism largely under control, CPEC under way, and right policies already being put in place, that requires time and a bit of pain.

Plus, exploring these projects is also building understandings, and it builds the confidence of the people, and creates more space about positive news to permeate in society, where, previously there was only space for negative news. It is very much a doable project, depending on right timing, in my estimate 10 years is a realistic timeframe for mature serious discussions, and construction to start in the 2030s, to be fully operational around 2040. By 2040, Pakistan's population will likely be anywhere between 320 million to 340 million, and much of Pakistan's population is concentrated along the Karachi to Multan to Lahore to Peshawar route. So, not doable now, but worth looking into on a serious basis, after all, these projects take time and you also learn so much while making serious enquiries, and work out the suitable timeframe for when the local conditions will be ready for such a project. Such an approach saves time, and develops understanding and knowledge.

Nice reply , a rarity here.
Pakistan is a country of 210 m , not a small country by any standards.
HSR has not been able to prove its financial viability in any country.
China ofcourse subsidizes its hsr , while Japan has privatized a large part of its hsr, has very high fares but its financial viability is still not their.
Thats the reason usa has a few kms of hsr and Europeans, with their emphasis on technology rather than finances , have good networks in spain , france and Germany , but these are also technology driven not based on financial returns.
In India the single line from Mumbai to ahmedabad is under consideration is also under a cloud due to its financial viability. Its more of a modi driven project, though it was conceptualized before modi came to power.

A year back i was in the shinkansen and a Japanese businessman was chatting with me( rarity for the Japanese). As per him the hsr can be afforded only for business purposes by the Japanese, not as a private regular transport by the middle class. In Japan all hsr routes have a parallel bus service, which is much cheaper. Takes more time. As per him their is no need for a person on personnel travel to travel so fast. But the Japanese have no choice between major cities except the buses and air travel with its delays.
Pakistan does have a advantage like Japan that its main cities stretch in a line and a single line can be comfortably connected from the north to the south.

 

[RealNapster]

PTI is turning out to be such a joke.

How is this thread even related to PTI ?

@The Eagle

 

[jupiter2007]

PTI is turning out to be such a joke.

Corrupt mafia was expecting IK to quit after 6 months but he is a real fighter. Even though IK is trying his best to fix top priority issues but he has some limitations. He can’t openly go against establishment. If MQM and PPP loses power, PTI will politically fill that Void but establishment doesn’t want PTI get too strong. We know what establishment did to MQM when MQM became too strong and out of their control, they split it into 2 parties.

 

[Cliftonite]

Corrupt mafia was expecting IK to quit after 6 months but he is a real fighter. Even though IK is trying his best to fix top priority issues but he has some limitations. He can’t openly go against establishment. If MQM and PPP loses power, PTI will politically fill that Void but establishment doesn’t want PTI get too strong. We know what establishment did to MQM when MQM became too strong and out of their control, they split it into 2 parties.

MQM was also a joke. It became a mafia more than a party.

MQM should have campaigned in other areas, increased its base. Maybe even help Muhajirs settle in more districts.

IK is no warrior. He's a puppet.

 

[Falcon26]

Why not create a bullet train between Peshawar-Lahore-Islamabad? This will boost the economy of northern regions of Pakistan and such a project can become profitable.

 

[Riz]

MQM was also a joke. It became a mafia more than a party.

MQM should have campaigned in other areas, increased its base. Maybe even help Muhajirs settle in more districts.

IK is no warrior. He's a puppet.

Patwari spotted

 

[jupiter2007]

Why not create a bullet train between Peshawar-Lahore-Islamabad? This will boost the economy of northern regions of Pakistan and such a project can become profitable.

Why not have Transportation/Reliable Transit System, cost-efficient public transportation system which will include Metro-buses, monorail or metroRail or circular railway (for inner city) and modern train system from city to city?

 

[Cliftonite]

Patwari spotted

I am a Muhajir.

Not everyone is a patwari. Anyone with a brain can see how much damage MQM did to the Muhajir cause.

 

[Indos]

Better use medium speed train. Indonesia also plan to make medium speed train from Jakarta into Surabaya. It is around 750 km and the cost is much cheaper than HSR proposal. The project cost is 4 billion USD. It hasnt been started yet, still in feasibility phase. Current Jakarta-Surabaya train spend around 9 hours and with this new project the time will be cut into just 5 hours.

With this pandemic and the damage it costs on airline industry, I would say we are likely to start build it after new administration comes in November 2024, most probably construction will be started in 2025/2026. The fare is around 40 USD per person.

Construction of Jakarta-Surabaya Medium-Speed Railway to Start in 2022

The new service will cut travel time between the country's two largest cities to five hours and 30 minutes, from nine hours currently.

jakartaglobe.id