A Brief History of The Warrior Rajputs

[DESERT FIGHTER]

well, they are not all afros. In fact afros are a minority among them.

My elderly Baloch uncle has family relations stretching as far away as southern Kerman and Zabol villages. He is not an afro.

He has green eyes, and resembles a typical southern iranian

Any Baluch have Iranian ids aswell .. The ones living near the border n the other side has Pakistani NICs... Similar to Pakhtuns on Pak-Afg border.

 

[Multani]

Any Baluch have Iranian ids aswell .. The ones living near the border n the other side has Pakistani NICs... Similar to Pakhtuns on Pak-Afg border.

I don't know brother. My uncle is a dual citizen [ Pakistani and Omani ]

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

well, they are not all afros. In fact afros are a minority among them.

My elderly Baloch uncle has family relations stretching as far away as southern Kerman and Zabol villages. He is not an afro.

He has green eyes, and resembles a typical southern iranian

Browski doesn't mean we are a most tribe of Israel .. The claim tht you are pointing is tht Baluch are related to Hazrat hamza AS.. N migrated from Aleppo in Syria .. Not Israeli ..

 

[Multani]

Browski doesn't mean we are a most tribe of Israel .. The claim tht you are pointing is tht Baluch are related to Hazrat hamza AS.. N migrated from Aleppo in Syria .. Not Israeli ..

kya shaan hai Sayyiduna Hamza AS ki!

 

[INDIC]

Mud sites you mean, main sites are not. I being from Rig Vedic land knows that our ancestors considered Indus the most important. You will not believe neutrals so there is no point in further discussion.

Jholachaap history.

 

[bronxbull]

Guys,it really doesn't matter.

Just be happy and live well,make your choices and stick by them or don't.

 

[utraash]

Where you are wrong is that the Brahmins would still be needed by those who professed Hinduism, and the Turkic rulers did not convert everyone to Islam. A few Brahmins may have been forced to convert in pockets where Muslims outnumbered the Hindus overwhelmingly, and their position might have been similar to what you describe. But wherever substantial Hindus resided, the Brahmins had no reason to convert to Islam.

very less number of Brahmin converted to Islam ..... Moreover Brahmins preferred to have low stature in society under Muslim rules than bowing down to Islam...
most Pakistanis curse Hinduism for its caste system but they are openly fighting for their rajput ancestral supremacy.....

That is not true it is known Buddhism was pushed out through killings as well. That is Indian blanket statement of saying all faith are dharmic so they are all the same which is not true Buddhism was actually a revolt against Hindu system.

Pusyamitra Sunga is one Hindu ruler who Buddhists say persecuted them.

Bhuddhism has strong dharmic teaching like meditation chanting mantras n etc... You can deny that fact becoz it does not suit your agenda....

 

[KingMamba]

Bhuddhism has strong dharmic teaching like meditation chanting mantras n etc... You can deny that fact becoz it does not suit your agenda....

Having similarities does not equal the same, Islam and Judaism have the most similarities with one another and are Abrahmic religions but they are overall different.

 

[utraash]

Having similarities does not equal the same, Islam and Judaism have the most similarities with one another and are Abrahmic religions but they are overall different.

who said Hinduism n bhuddhism are same.... I said many practices of bhuddhism are taken from Hinduism..... Bhuddha never wanted to create a religion n never preached about converting any Hindus to bhuddhuism fold......

Having similarities does not equal the same, Islam and Judaism have the most similarities with one another and are Abrahmic religions but they are overall different.

who said Hinduism n bhuddhism are same.... I said many practices of bhuddhism are taken from Hinduism..... Bhuddha never wanted to create a religion n never preached about converting any Hindus to bhuddhuism fold......

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

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yes, the Mughals are predominantly Turks. shan does not know this. He does not know about Turks in Pakistan.

The Ghauris mixed with Seljuqs and Oghuz Turks [ Khurasani Turks ] for more than 500 years. They have intermarried with them, even though their character was Khorasai Persian, sometimes called Tajik.

shan does not know about Chughtais of northern Punjab, and Jammu.

@shan



whose lack of Mongoloid features?




my Baloch uncle in Pasni says the Baloch are from Syria, and are Israelite in origin



brother, Mughal is synonymous with Turkic.

The Mughals were Turkic. Because Teymoor claimed to be a descendent of the Mongols, that is the reason why Babar was Mughal [ Mongol in Persian ]. Mughal is a new name given to this group when it came to india.
Actually Babar was a Turk from Uzbekistan. He spoke Turkic language.

Qazalbash are Turks [ many of them of Mongol descent ] and they are one of the main Mughal tribes settled in Lahore [ being twelve Shiite ]

They are in Peshawar, and in Afghanistan, and have a major concentration all over Iran.

Pakistanis don't seem to know much about the Turkish and Mughal relationship

Ghauris were Pashtuns, atleast linguistically and culturally, they might have been different people before pashtunization. There is wikipedia war going on between Tajiks/iranis and Pashtuns, the info about ghauris there is incorrect.
Ghauris were different from persians and turks. They were tribal people of ghoristan mountains, divided into numerous tribes.
Among the numerous Ghorid chiefs, the Shansabani tribe had the most authority over all the other Ghorid tribes "As Persians had no tribal culture, the Shansabani were a tribe and the Ghauris were structured as a tribal society. Therefore ghauris could not be Tajiks and Persians .
If you look at the Geneology of the Shansabani Tribe; you notice that the Patriarch of the Shansabani rulers possesses the name "Suri". e.g Sayf ud-Din Suri (1146-1149 ). Mohammad ibn suri, who was ancestor of shahabudin ghauri.

Baihaqi who is considered as the most famous historian of the Ghaznavid era had written in page 117 that "Sultan Massud leaves for (jaroos ghoor) “jai darmeshi paat”... and sends his learned companion with two people from Ghor as interpreter between this person and the people of that region.

Now why is there a need for an interpreter between this learned companion who already spoke Farsi and turkic and the people of the Ghor region ? That clearly indicates that the region was not speaking Farsi or turkic speaking.
There are also other numerous accounts such as the accounts of Minhaaj Saraj from that era and others who gives similar accounts.

Now come to the most important proof. Amir karor suri, malak ya gharsheen and
asad suri were famous pashto poets from ghor/ghoristan region before times of mongol invasion.

Ghor itself is a pashto word which means mountain.

Also Note that original abode of numerous pashtun tribes was ghor e.g Niazis, mohmands, lodhis, suris etc
.....................
About Jalaludin khilji, khushal khan khattak says
"Bya Sultan Jalaluddin pa sareer kenaasth
Che pa asal ke ghilzai da wilayat wo"
Khiljis/ghiljays had become pashtunized very long time ago, they shouldnt be considered turks.

@DESERT FIGHTER. @nuri Nutt, @INDIC @KingMamba, @shan
.

 

[Multani]

Ghauris were Pashtuns, atleast linguistically and culturally, they might have been different people before pashtunization. There is wikipedia war going on between Tajiks/iranis and Pashtuns, the info about ghauris there is incorrect.
Ghauris were different from persians and turks. They were tribal people of ghoristan mountains, divided into numerous tribes.
Among the numerous Ghorid chiefs, the Shansabani tribe had the most authority over all the other Ghorid tribes "As Persians had no tribal culture, the Shansabani were a tribe and the Ghauris were structured as a tribal society. Therefore ghauris could not be Tajiks and Persians .
If you look at the Geneology of the Shansabani Tribe; you notice that the Patriarch of the Shansabani rulers possesses the name "Suri". e.g Sayf ud-Din Suri (1146-1149 ). Mohammad ibn suri, who was ancestor of shahabudin ghauri.

Baihaqi who is considered as the most famous historian of the Ghaznavid era had written in page 117 that "Sultan Massud leaves for (jaroos ghoor) “jai darmeshi paat”... and sends his learned companion with two people from Ghor as interpreter between this person and the people of that region.

Now why is there a need for an interpreter between this learned companion who already spoke Farsi and turkic and the people of the Ghor region ? That clearly indicates that the region was not speaking Farsi or turkic speaking.
There are also other numerous accounts such as the accounts of Minhaaj Saraj from that era and others who gives similar accounts.

Now come to the most important proof. Amir karor suri, malak ya gharsheen and
asad suri were famous pashto poets from ghor/ghoristan region before times of mongol invasion.

Ghor itself is a pashto word which means mountain.

Also Note that original abode of numerous pashtun tribes was ghor e.g Niazis, mohmands, lodhis, suris etc
.....................
About Jalaludin khilji, khushal khan khattak says
"Bya Sultan Jalaluddin pa sareer kenaasth
Che pa asal ke ghilzai da wilayat wo"
Khiljis/ghiljays had become pashtunized very long time ago, they shouldnt be considered turks.

@DESERT FIGHTER. @nuri Nutt, @INDIC @KingMamba, @shan
.

Ghor is majority Aimak [ Farsi speaking ] Khorasani Turks. Always has been.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Ghor is majority Aimak [ Farsi speaking ] Khorasani Turks. Always has been.

Ghor is mostly aimak and hazara..........its original inhabitantas, the ghauris were massacred by mongols, the remanats migrated eastward. demographics of Afghanistan was never constant, it has dramatically changed numerous times. Tajiks are persians who moved to this region from iran during islamic expansion and assimilated with local bactarians and sogdians who were east iranians like pashtuns and were most probably proto-pashtuns

 

[Multani]

Ghor is mostly aimak and hazara..........its original inhabitantas, the ghauris were massacred by mongols, the remanats migrated eastward. demographics of Afghanistan was never constant, it has dramatically changed numerous times. Tajiks are persians who moved to this region from iran during islamic expansion and assimilated with local bactarians and sogdians who were east iranians like pashtuns and were most probably proto-pashtuns

I agree

 

[Joe Shearer]

The Buddhism that exists in entire Asia is the mix of Buddhism and Hinduism. Thailand's National Emblem Garuda originally comes from Hinduism.



You better watch some maps.

That's really quite a flimsy reconstruction.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Avesta mentions Hapta Hindu(Sapta Sindhu) as one of the part of Airyanem Vaejah. Earliest Iranian civilization centered around Eastern Iran having continuity with earliest Indian civilization centred around Sapta Sindhu. BTW I will watch it.

Different Hapta Hindu. It is the northern set.

Saraswati – the ancient river lost in the desert

Experts to trace roots of Saraswati River - The Times of India

Saraswati The Lost River

Amazing facts about - Ancient India: Mystery of Sarsavati River

The Myth of Aryan Invasion of India

Even in Mahabharata this Mighty River was mentioned flowing through Gujarat.

How does an Internet prove a theory full of crap?
He uses citations that are full of crap.

Saraswati – the ancient river lost in the desert

Experts to trace roots of Saraswati River - The Times of India

Saraswati The Lost River

Amazing facts about - Ancient India: Mystery of Sarsavati River

The Myth of Aryan Invasion of India

Even in Mahabharata this Mighty River was mentioned flowing through Gujarat.

How does an Internet prove a theory full of crap?
He uses citations and twists them to prove that they fit his theory.
Crap.