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Sorry that doesn't give the right for Japanese to do what they did in Nanjing after surrender of the defending forces.

Neither what they did in Manchuria (the most heinous chemical weapons tests on test villages) who were under their protection and rule (by way of direct incorporation into the Empire as client state).

Koreans were under occupation of the Japanese much longer than the Chinese....but I don't see the same level of unfettered atrocities done on their civilians like the Japanese did unprovoked on Chinese civilians...which was pretty much as much of a genocide they could administer without diverting major war resources from their war fronts.

There was a special brutal hate the Japanese had for the Chinese beyond any excuse of "war". It is a very disturbing and disgusting part of their history, and it should not be equated with their treatment of any other population of people.

How they would have treated other high density crucible populations should they have come under similar Japanese occupation is another hypothetical argument....but I can only go on by the actual events that happened.

We all know why, the Japanese were really angry that a huge part of their culture originated in China (and neither could their earlier civilisation compare in any neutral comparison with China's) and that was a bad slap on the hyper Japanese nationalism. They had to defeat and erase that in their eyes. I for one am glad it did not transpire.

You don't get it. The fiercest you resist, the harsher they come down on you. Japanese army lost the most solider fighting in China, hence, their long drawn campaign turned very bitter. They went on a rampage. In contrast, Southeast Asian folks barely put up any resistance. And if you wonder Japanese would've treated other civilians under its control any nicer, look at Korea, the women civilians bore the brunt. I don't think British treated Indian that cruelty, except for Bengal famine. War crime in any form cannot be justified.
 
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Japanese army lost the most solider fighting in China, hence, their long drawn campaign turned very bitter.

They were doing despicable things in peacetime Manchuria well before they turned their eyes on rest of China.

Japanese army lost the most solider fighting in China, hence, their long drawn campaign turned very bitter.

Yah like the Germans lost most of their soldiers in the USSR. That doesn't mean they treated USSR civilians and occupied parts like they did on the level of Western Europe....even when they were losing tremendous casualties there as well after D-Day.

There was a specific racial based "lebensraum" doctrine against the Slavic people...just like the Japanese had with the Chinese.

If the Germans took over USSR easily, they would have been just as vicious on its surrendered people over time, probably more given their stereotype of a weak inferior race would have been established in their eyes. There is only so much correlation with the campaign bitterness. I'm not saying its 0, but its not 100% either.

In contrast, Southeast Asian folks barely put up any resistance.

They were already under occupation by foreigners (except Thailand which had no reasonable chance against the Japanese, so allied them instead). China still had its sovereignty at much higher level....and Chinese also very quickly saw this is going to be a war of survival. There would be no mercy from the Japanese in the long term, best to give everything you got in the short term. Any population would have done the same. I respect what Chinese did very much in fact.

And if you wonder Japanese would've treated civilians under its control any nicer, look at Korea, the women civilians bore the brunt.

I am not saying 0 atrocities happened in the Japanese occupation of Korea. Quite far from it. But the level of cruelty inflicted on China (past all sense of what a war/campaign bitterness can entail) is unparalleled in the Asian theatre.

I don't think British treated Indian that cruelty, except for Bengal famine.

British cruelty mostly came from behind the scenes (different topic). It was never manifested so overtly and directly on an extermination basis like Japanese and Germans had on what they perceived to be inferior. It does not excuse the British however either.

All you have to think is if British rule continued in India, would I be around....and apply that to China (if Japan conquered and subjugated it)....would you still be around in percentage likelihood terms. There would be your answer.

War crime is not something to glorify about.

All are bad and can never be glorified. But that does not mean we cannot rank and compare their relative evil. Shooting and mistreating a surrendered enemy soldier (who did raise arms and could have killed some of your comrades) ranks very differently to going into a civilians house and doing unspeakable things to its defenseless inhabitants who you have no idea about their level of realised support to their own fighters.
 
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They were doing despicable things in peacetime Manchuria well before they turned their eyes on rest of China.



Yah like the Germans lost most of their soldiers in the USSR. That doesn't mean they treated USSR civilians and occupied parts like they did on the level of Western Europe....even when they were losing tremendous casualties there as well after D-Day.

There was a specific racial based "lebensraum" doctrine against the Slavic people...just like the Japanese had with the Chinese.

If the Germans took over USSR easily, they would have been just as vicious on its surrendered people over time, probably more given their stereotype of a weak inferior race would have been established in their eyes. There is only so much correlation with the campaign bitterness. I'm not saying its 0, but its not 100% either.



They were already under occupation by foreigners (except Thailand which had no reasonable chance against the Japanese, so allied them instead). China still had its sovereignty at much higher level....and Chinese also very quickly saw this is going to be a war of survival. There would be no mercy from the Japanese in the long term, best to give everything you got in the short term. Any population would have done the same. I respect what Chinese did very much in fact.



I am not saying 0 atrocities happened in the Japanese occupation of Korea. Quite far from it. But the level of cruelty inflicted on China (past all sense of what a war/campaign bitterness can entail) is unparalleled in the Asian theatre.



British cruelty mostly came from behind the scenes (different topic). It was never manifested so overtly and directly on an extermination basis like Japanese and Germans had on what they perceived to be inferior. It does not excuse the British however either.

All you have to think is if British rule continued in India, would I be around....and apply that to China (if Japan conquered and subjugated it)....would you still be around in percentage likelihood terms. There would be your answer.



All are bad and can never be glorified. But that does not mean we cannot rank and compare their relative evil. Shooting and mistreating a surrendered enemy soldier (who did raise arms and could have killed some of your comrades) ranks very differently to going into a civilians house and doing unspeakable things to its defenseless inhabitants who you have no idea about their level of realised support to their own fighters.


(Please don't dissect my paragraph but quote selectively)

I'm talking about across the board atrocity. China were effectively at war when it happened, the causalities weren't exclusive Chinese, but Russians and Koreans.

The war wasn't as long, Germans committed war crimes. In retaliation, Russian went on rampage raping Berlin too. Not well publicized but were all documented. Nothing is 100%, but it is highly correlated. Other factors too.


Doesn't change the fact that SEA Chinese were the ones who led the resistance against Japanese. Hence, drawing more ire from imperial army

Because the longest war was fought on in China. Had it been another country, considering how Japanese treated POWs of other countries, you wouldn't bet they won't do the same!

British for all their intent, didn't mistreat Indian civilians anywhere close to what Japanese did in Asia.

You can certainly discuss, but not use it to gloat and glorify. That was what I was driving at if you get it. And you know who started it.
 
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(Please don't dissect my paragraph but quote selectively)


I'm talking about across the board atrocity. China were effectively at war when it happened, the causalities weren't exclusive Chinese, but Russians and Koreans.

The war wasn't as long, Germans committed war crimes. In retaliation, Russian went on rampage raping Berlin too. Not well publicized but were all documented. Nothing is 100% but it is correlated.


Doesn't change the fact that SEA Chinese were the ones who led the resistance against Japanese. Hence, drawing more ire from imperial army

Because the longest war was fought on in China. Had it been another country, considering how Japanese treated POWs of other countries, you wouldn't bet they won't do the same!

British for all their intent, didn't mistreat Indian civilians anywhere close to what Japanese did in Asia. That is clear.


You can certainly discuss, but not use it to gloat and glorify. That was what I was driving at if you get it. And you know who started it.

This topic has meandered way off topic now.

I think we have both said our piece and lets leave it at that.

As for who "started" it...its right here:

https://defence.pk/threads/a-black-...or-being-a-bollywood-fan.476168/#post-9173674

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
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sorry i take back my statement/question that:

"Africans n Indians have almost the same skin colour- why the hate"

The above is a unsubstantiated statement. Indians are faired-skinned and are not in the same category as Africans in terms of skin tone.

The 18 likes received for that post proves my statement is ridiculous

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Indians are fair-skinned:

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Indians are fairer then Africans- they are not in the same league:

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The 18 likes received for that post proves my statement is ridiculous

Yes because a post attacking a non-white race in a KKK forum getting a standing ovation of likes is obviously the hallmark of content and truth.

Echo chamber much?

The above is a unsubstantiated statement. Indians are faired-skinned and are not in the same category as Africans in terms of skin tone.

The point is there is a huge variance in skin tone among both Indians and Africans (not to mention facial features, culture and ethnic nuances)....so implying a near 1:1 equivalence between them is just as ridiculous as saying either are "fair - skinned".

Not to mention the stupid implication that having different skin tones somehow adds more justification to reactionary racism/bigotry.
 
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Yes because a post attacking a non-white race in a KKK forum getting a standing ovation of likes is obviously the hallmark of content and truth.

Echo chamber much?



The point is there is a huge variance in skin tone among both Indians and Africans (not to mention facial features, culture and ethnic nuances)....so implying a near 1:1 equivalence between them is just as ridiculous as saying either are "fair - skinned".

Not to mention the stupid implication that having different skin tones somehow adds more justification to reactionary racism/bigotry.


In the letter, she wrote: “I am sad to say that it is not easy for me to be a Bollywood fan. I had many bad experiences where people did not take my love for Bollywood seriously because of my ethnicity and colour.”

i based my statement/question on the information provided. Sorry to all u fair-skinned Indians; i take back the ridiculous statement i gave.

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In the letter, she wrote: “I am sad to say that it is not easy for me to be a Bollywood fan. I had many bad experiences where people did not take my love for Bollywood seriously because of my ethnicity and colour.”

i based my statement/question on the information provided. Sorry to all u fair-skinned Indians; i take back the ridiculous statement i gave.

Thanks.

And you personally knew the skin tone of each person that gave her a "bad experience"?

You want to know how many fellow Indians have done the same for me for whatever reason?....and I am not even that dark skinned really....I admit many Indians are fairer and many are darker....don't know for sure where I am in the "spectrum".

But does that change the fact that many Chinese have been racist too (to me and others - check youtube) and really shouldn't be casting stones about the subject? Or the fact that are many good-hearted, open, accommodating Indians and Chinese as well?...just like any other nationality?

India is a large collection of skin colours and looks. Trying to homogenise anything about India will only serve to highlight your ignorance.

Come up with a more subtle method of trolling next time moron.

And Pro-Tip: learn to use sarcasm selectively too...instead of like a broken record copy-paste style.
 
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In the letter, she wrote: “I am sad to say that it is not easy for me to be a Bollywood fan. I had many bad experiences where people did not take my love for Bollywood seriously because of my ethnicity and colour.”

i based my statement/question on the information provided. Sorry to all u fair-skinned Indians; i take back the ridiculous statement i gave.

Thanks.

Indians have fair-skin tones when compared to other people

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And you personally knew the skin tone of each person that gave her a "bad experience"?

You want to know how many fellow Indians have done the same for me for whatever reason?....and I am not even that dark skinned really....I admit many Indians are fairer and many are darker....don't know for sure where I am in the "spectrum".

But does that change the fact that many Chinese have been racist too (to me and others - check youtube) and really shouldn't be casting stones about the subject? Or the fact that are many good-hearted, open, accommodating Indians and Chinese as well?...just like any other nationality?

India is a large collection of skin colours and looks. Trying to homogenise anything about India will only serve to highlight your ignorance.

Come up with a more subtle method of trolling next time moron.

And Pro-Tip: learn to use sarcasm selectively too...instead of like a broken record copy-paste style.

u can play around with your words and argue about heaven and hell- i base my statement on the simple infomation given

In the letter, she wrote: “I am sad to say that it is not easy for me to be a Bollywood fan. I had many bad experiences where people did not take my love for Bollywood seriously because of my ethnicity and colour.”

Me:
Wtf?

Africans n Indians have almost the same skin colour- why the hate

yes im a troll for pointing out the truth. sorry about that.


But does that change the fact that many Chinese have been racist too (to me and others - check youtube) and really shouldn't be casting stones about the subject? Or the fact that are many good-hearted, open, accommodating Indians and Chinese as well?...just like any other nationality?

Ya Chinese are racist for for pointing out a subject that pricks Indian insecurity. Chinese should have kept their mouth shut out of courtesy even though it's a fact. Sorry about that

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Man! The inferiority complex is startling in this one! lol
You Indians were the one who tried to differentiate themselves from that black lady even though she looks like you, That is inferiority complex. I am just pointing out the obvious that you Indians look like her.
 
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They look more similar to us Pakistanis. I am Pakistani Chamar descendant and people call me African all the time.
First of all get the fu*k off my D*CK, stupid Indian C*nt. Secondly making fake profile won`t help you but accepting your ugly self might,lolz.
 
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