A big question mark on India’s capacity to operate nuclear submarines

[sivadreams]

Whats the objective of the article. Ok for argument sake India is not capable of handling any naval equipments. Who is this argument addressed too? India will keep on acquiring Naval assets and learning by either blowing it in our harbor or at your harbor and learn from it for sure.

Irony, sour grapes for people who only wants to hear and believe on all conspiracy theories. If this article is to convince the world that India should be persuaded to not to acquire any naval hardware then it fails big time.

 

[faithfulguy]

Wait...earlier you said that the sinking of Sindhurakshak was puzzling BECAUSE it was an old and well known design, whereas the US and Russian subs were new designs at the time. Now the sinking of the Chinese sub is excused BECAUSE it is an old (and proven) design? See the mental gymnastics you are having to make, to draw different conclusions from the same premises. When something happens to India, find all sorts of convoluted logic to impute inability to Indians. When the same thing has happened to china or Russia (Kursk), brush that away and draw the opposite logical conclusions.

From now on, do this as a mental exercise. Whenever you hear about some incident involving India, assume that it happened to china, and ask yourself what conclusion you will draw about china. Then draw that same conclusion about India. It will save you this trouble of having to clutch at straws to justify preconceived conclusions. Try to draw conclusions through logic, rather than assuming the conclusion first and then twisting logic to match it.

This is my post #24

"Most of the accidents in other countries, include the US, occurred either at the stage when the technology is new for that country. Or when the platform was an older platform that the country is still using after newer version have come into wider use.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...erate-nuclear-submarines-3.html#ixzz2cL5fONVE

read it again.

 

[senkakudefender]

This is my post #24

"Most of the accidents in other countries, include the US, occurred either at the stage when the technology is new for that country. Or when the platform was an older platform that the country is still using after newer version have come into wider use.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...erate-nuclear-submarines-3.html#ixzz2cL5fONVE

read it again.

 

[qwerrty]

How about this:

Chinese submarine 361 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a proven sub design widely used around the world for half a century. And yet the PLAN had an accident that sunk it, killing 70 crew members. So would you say that China's ability to operate submarines is now questionable? Or would you come up with some measly excuse to justify that accident, and pretend that logic is different for India?

that sub was very old and was testbed for new AIP systems. they were testing technology that was very new to them at the time. faithfulguy is still correct that india is the first ever country to have so many people killed on a proven and modern submarine.

 

[DeathInvader]

Kilo generally has no problem. Maybe India had received the sour apple in the barrel. Or it may be caused by lack of following the procedure. We'll have to wait for more investigation.

the battery compartment blew up in 2010 dats y it was send for a refit!! and the sub was kilo class!! may be a bad apple!

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Fact of the matter is half of y'all are nitpicking into a major tragedy to score brownie points and thanks while the other half is mentally masturbating to the idea of more Indian casualties. Not saying that Indians here are not guilty of the same, but you have a sick mind if you are cheering for an armed forces personnel's death, whether it be in peacetime or war.

 

[President]

Indians have not demonstrated any competency in operating subs. I'm afraid they will become the deep sea graveyards for them just like the flying coffins.

who asked you anyway..keep your trap shut! how about this question mark??

that sub was very old and was testbed for new AIP systems. they were testing technology that was very new to them at the time. faithfulguy is still correct that india is the first ever country to have so many people killed on a proven and modern submarine.

your brain as as inverted as your picture

 

[by78]

Folks, we do not yet know what had caused the accident. To attribute it to crew error, while reasonable, is perhaps too early. It's entirely possible that one of the torpedoes was not properly maintained by onshore personnel before being loaded, in which case the blame doesn't lie with the crew. Again, I'm just speculating a scenario in which the blame doesn't lie with the crew.

You've got to remember, many of these crew are dead and are unable to defend themselves. It's too soon to point fingers at them after this tragedy.

 

[Indigo]

who asked you anyway..keep your trap shut! how about this question mark??



your brain as as inverted as your picture

That is the best complement he can ever get LOL

 

[Indigo]

sure

our cities like Shanghai and Beijing got nuked every week, CCP just don't let other people know.

our GDP is 1/5 compared to yours, CCP just refuse to admit it.

Yes....finally you admit Did CCP gave you permission to speak

anti India post!! it was a tragic accident that doesn't mean Indian navy is incapable of handling submarines....loss of lives was sad and it could have been avoided if adequate precautions were taken!! but accidents do happen!! even with the best!!

They need periodic kicks ...dude ....anything negative about India gets them real high !!!

 

[fast]

Sailors of INS Sindhurakshak broke safety rules: Russia
Sailors of INS Sindhurakshak broke safety rules: Russia | Deccan Chronicle

New Delhi: Violation of safety regulations could be the most likely cause of the explosions on submarine Sindhurakshak because of which it sank, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said.

Sixth body recovered from submarine INS Sindhurakshak

Rogozin, who was quoted by Russia’s official news agency Itar Tass, has said that India had raised no questions over the technical aspects of the submarine built and recently overhauled by Russia.

Quoting experts, he told that the violation of safety regulations was the most probable cause of the accident. He, however, qualified his comments, saying that assessment of what really happened are still being made to determine the exact reason behind the tragedy in which 18 Navy officials are feared dead. “But things are still to be assessed in full... At the moment we are not blaming the equipment,” Rogozin said.

“The very first information that I received at night, several hours after that accident was that the blast had occurred in the section where storage batteries were being charged. This is the most dangerous work, which is connected with safety measures rather than with the producers of this equipment,” he said.

He said the submarine itself, which had covered 15,000 nautical miles, did not attract criticism as to its technical characteristics. “It (the submarine) has never raised any questions on the part of our Indian colleagues,” he added.

INS Sindhurakshak: blood samples of relatives being collected

Meanwhile, divers from the Navy managed to open a second access to the sunken vessel on Friday during an overnight ‘challenging but critical’ operation.

“The divers have gained a second access to the submarine late last night when they successfully prised open the rear escape hatch which was submerged below and jammed due to high temperature,” a release from the Navy said, terming the operation as “challenging but critical.”

Also, opening of the jammed forward escape hatch is being attempted for an entry to the front portion of the submarine, the release said.

The rescue team had extricated badly charred bodies of five of the 18 personnel on Friday.

It is not a surprise. Indian soldiers are a bunch of poorly trained pissants. The Indian navy personnel has a long history of ignoring safety procedures. It has come back to haunt them this time and blew up on their face. You can't expect a bunch of incompetent clowns able to operate modern ships safely. The subs will become the Indian diving graveyards.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Poor attempt at trolling, the questions are valid regardless whether the author is Pakistani or someone else. Pakistan is living next to worlds largest mentally unstable gang of hindu rapist, extremists and war mongering paranoid delusional psychopaths and are genuinely concerned about Indians ability to operate and maintain dangerous weapons, which could pose a serious threat to the peace ands stability in the region. Now that the indian naval high command has mentioned that sabotage was involved, what stops the same from happening on nuclear armed subs or ships? Its a a big question and indians have to come clean on this and provide assurance to its neighbours that it will take appropriate measures to safeguard its dangerous weapons from such sabotage in the future. Pakistan and China can provide help and training to Indians in this regard.

I find it amusing that after finding out that the author was a pakistani , still people tried to have a discussion for 30+ posts .

This piece of article should be given it's due space where it belongs ..... in a dust bin .....

Bull S--T.

that sub was very old and was testbed for new AIP systems. they were testing technology that was very new to them at the time. faithfulguy is still correct that india is the first ever country to have so many people killed on a proven and modern submarine.

 

[fast]

who asked you anyway..keep your trap shut! how about this question mark??



your brain as as inverted as your picture

Don't get mad just because they left your wife out in the wife swapping orgy. She is not as ugly as the naval guys claimed. Now shut up and go away.

 

[President]

Don't get mad just because they left your wife out in the wife swapping orgy. She is not as ugly as the naval guys claimed. Now shut up and go away.

why is your a$$ getting burned with wife swapping news..looks like somebody just missed the train..anyways on topic..if Indians have issues with their subs , we will deal with it..you still need to keep your trap shut!

 

[kurup]

Poor attempt at trolling, the questions are valid regardless whether the author is Pakistani or someone else. Pakistan is living next to worlds largest mentally unstable gang of hindu rapist, extremists and war mongering paranoid delusional psychopaths and are genuinely concerned about Indians ability to operate and maintain dangerous weapons, which could pose a serious threat to the peace ands stability in the region. Now that the indian naval high command has mentioned that sabotage was involved, what stops the same from happening on nuclear armed subs or ships? Its a a big question and indians have to come clean on this and provide assurance to its neighbours that it will take appropriate measures to safeguard its dangerous weapons from such sabotage in the future. Pakistan and China can provide help and training to Indians in this regard.

1. Indian naval high command never said sabotage was involved . They said they will be investigating that aspect also .

2. The author being pakistani has everything to do with the questions asked . Pakistanis were the inventors of fake wikileaks against India . So this report is not surprising .His report is the culmination of the hatred being fed from childhood .

3. Your mental diarrhea is not going to give any validity to your arguments .

4. With a coast guard sized navy pakistan will only be able to train countries like somalia and myanmar .

5. china which lost an entire sub and sailors on-board not too long ago should help themselves first .