A Big Night For India's Bid For UN Security Council

[Whazzup]

If the P5 show the world a way in, they'll soon have to take the same way out. Any change to the position of the P5 will set off a movement, pretty sure Japan, KSA, Germany, Brazil, India all want in and can create a good case for themselves but then the UNSC will probably never pass another draft until the whole UNSC has to be reformed and all members have to be made transitional.

Exactly though it seems we're at front line here but there are other countries too which deserves this position.
In order to add India UNSC has to look into Germany and Japan too actually both of these countries are even more deserving one being literally running EU and other being the Pacifist nation.

However we need our own voice there for Indian Subcontinent. Long road ahead.

 

[Jlaw]

India will get permanent UNSC seat and already the signs are clearly visible.

What are some of the visible signs?

 

[RazorMC]

It is a long way.

Unless P5 agree for reforms, the process of reforms cannot be proceeded. All the P5 agreed for reforms with ,surprisingly, China actually cooperating.

So the first hurdle is gone.

Here lie more hurdles:

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For the first time, different countries have submitted written suggestions for what the resolution should state. In what was seen as an attempt to thwart India's bid, the US, China and Russia did not participate in that exercise.
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[Great Sachin]

Strong India is the key......UN seat will come automatically....let other cry

 

[ito]

Here lie more hurdles:

The problem was there were indications that China may veto the reform process altogether. Once the P5 didn't object, it is now up to the General Assembly to take the reform process forward.

 

[Arya Desa]

Prob gonna get vetoed in the end.

 

[RazorMC]

The problem was there were indications that China may veto the reform process altogether. Once the P5 didn't object, it is now up to the General Assembly to take the reform process forward.

Only the P5 can decide on expanding permanent membership for UNSC. Otherwise the most hopeful scenario would be making the rotating membership of UNSC permanent for some members, but without veto.

China has not voted against reforms yet, but three out of five P5 members had not taken part in this process altogether, incl Russia. What does this imply?

 

[!eon]

It will take many more years. You are right. In the mean while, I guess it depends on how India will evolve to become indispensable to global economy and security determine whether India gets a seat or not and with veto or not.

Yes it is like that. Actually there should be no P5.
But I meant it other way, failure like League of Nations, as voices against US are getting stronger day by day and world is moving towards multi-polarization.

 

[ito]

Only the P5 can decide on expanding permanent membership for UNSC. Otherwise the most hopeful scenario would be making the rotating membership of UNSC permanent for some members, but without veto.

China has not voted against reforms yet, but three out of five P5 members had not taken part in this process altogether, incl Russia. What does this imply?

No, two third of GA has to agree for a permanent seat. P5 cannot decide on electing a new member, but P5 can veto. P5 had a choice now to veto the process and they did not do, now it means the negotiations will start.

 

[SrNair]

LOL, how exactly?

According to the UN charter, the veto can only be changed with the full support of EVERY single P5 member.

If even one disagrees, you can't change it. And here most of them disagree.

Problem are there if you cant change .Now there is only G 4 .But tomorrow that number will increase .So either you will have to scrap VETO or to accept new members.

 

[ito]

Yes it is like that. Actually there should be no P5.
But I meant it other way, failure like League of Nations, as voices against US are getting stronger day by day and world is moving towards multi-polarization.

But that is different debate altogether. But I guess none of the P5 will give up their position.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Won't happen for 2 more decades,but eventually its inevitable just due to our manpower and natural resources.Nothing china or anyone can do about it than delay inevitable.If economies like germany,japan,india,brazil are not considered body itself will become irrelevant like G5.Everybody laughs at g5 now,its g20 where main decisions take place.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Just a hope in right direction. Finally we have someone to raise voice of muslims.

 

[Hindustani78]

What are some of the visible signs?

Ministry of Environment and Forests
14-September, 2015 20:23 IST
LMDCs Represent more than Fifty per cent Of World’s Population: Javadekar

India Hosts Meeting of Like-Minded Developing Countries for the First Time
The Minister of State (Independent Charge) of Environment, Forest and Climate Change, Shri Prakash Javadekar has urged negotiators to come up with a balanced text on all elements of the Durban Platform - mitigation, adaptation and loss and damage, finance, technology development and transfer, capacity-building and transparency of action and support, while protecting the long-term interest of developing countries, based on the principles of equity and CBDR (Common but Differentiated Responsibilities).

Welcoming the delegates at the inaugural session of the two-day meeting of Like-Minded Developing Countries (LMDCs) here today, Shri Javadekar emphasised that in India, the issue of climate change has received fresh impetus under the leadership of the Prime Minister of India, Shri Narendra Modi. The Minister noted that the LMDCs represent more than 50% of the world's population. As a strong negotiating group, the LMDCs have played an instrumental role in anchoring the interest of developing countries including India, by taking a strong and unified stand on critical issues. India is hosting for the first time, the meeting of the Like-Minded Developing Countries (LMDC) on Climate Change.

The objective of this meeting is for negotiators from LMDCs to exchange, coordinate and harmonize views on the (ADP) negotiating text under the UNFCCC negotiations and to prepare strategies and way forward for the negotiations in the run-up to Paris. The meeting is significant, as it comes at a crucial juncture in the negotiations, given the limited time available before the CoP-21 in Paris.

Around 26 foreign delegates from 12 countries including Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, China, Ecuador, El Salvador, Malaysia, Iran, Nicaragua, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Venezuela, including representatives from South Centre and Third World Network, participated on the first day of the meeting.

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[RazorMC]

No, two third of GA has to agree for a permanent seat. P5 cannot decide on electing a new member, but P5 can veto. P5 had a choice now to veto the process and they did not do, now it means the negotiations will start.

Does India have the two-thrids vote, esp in light of German contributions and capabilities?
Isn't P5+1 considered P5+Germany instead of P5+India?
Is the UNSC willing to accept a third Asian or European member? Why not Brazil?